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Why Maggette?

The Ron-Artest-for-Corey-Maggette rumors are not going to go away until the trade happens or one of the two is shipped to a different city. Like last year's Artest-Maggette drama, and the years-long idea of Artest-for-Peja, it just seems to work.

Not many very-good players in the NBA make $7-9 million. Most make absurd money ($12+ million) or small amounts due to rookie contract restrictions. Last season, there were only three comparable players at the $7-9 million range - Maggette, Peja, and Artest.

Maggette is a two-time 20-point scorer, a shooter on par with Mike Bibby over his career. (Maggette has shot .447/.326/.820 in his seven full seasons, and Bibby has shot .446/.373/.803 - both on about 15 FGAs per 40 minutes.) The apparent difference? Maggette knows his strengths, and has limited his three-ball attempts to 18 percent of all his shots. (By comparison, 25 percent of Bibby's shots come on threes, and Artest takes 24 percent of his shots from long-range, despite being a career .314 three-ball shooter.)

The knock on Maggette is two-fold - he's a lackluster defender, and his health has been a concern as he missed 50 games last season and has played 70+ games only twice in seven seasons. (He's only missed two of 26 games this season.)

The problem with the health issue is that Maggette relies on his athleticism to get shots off - much like Kevin Martin. Only half of Maggette's inside shots are assisted this season, which says dude can get to the rim on his own. He draws a ton of fouls, as well, ranking third in the entire league in made free throws per shot attempt (the increasingly predominant foul-drawing metric - more or less, it combines foul-shooting ability and foul-drawing ability). (Martin is 12th this season, and he was also high on the list last year.)

What's this tell me? It says Maggette hasn't lost his explosiveness. Sadly, I don't get to watch much Clippers Basketball - just saw the Kings game (when Maggs couldn't buy a bucket) and parts of two national games (also not standout performances). But at least anecdotally, Maggette isn't suffering seriously from his back problems this year. That is mega-important in considering a trade for him.

Maggette makes $7 million this season and $7.8 million next year. He has a player option for 2009 ($8.4 million), but it's impossible to know whether he'll be in a position to take it or not. Artest, interestingly enough, has a nearly identical deal (making $140,000 more this season). The two could be traded straight up, or a cheap throw-in (Quinton Ross, Francisco Garcia, Paul Davis, Quincy Douby) could be added either way.

Both teams are desparate to make a move, though I'd assume Elgin Baylor is more desparate to move Maggette than Geoff Petrie is to move Artest. (That's an iffy assumption, though - if Artest hears trade rumors, which he now no doubt has - he's a bundle of dynamite waiting for a simple spark. If that spark ignites that wick, he's damn near untradeable.)

Can the Kings survive the loss of Artest's world-renowned defense? Well, they are the #18 defense in the league. That's below average. If Artest can't make them a good defense, they are not meant to be a defensive team. Maggette is substantially better on offense and isn't likely to refuse to speak to his teammates for four days. That's a couple of big plusses, especially when you assume the Kings defense won't fall terribly lower than its current standing (since the bottom isn't far off).

Right now, I'd be happy with Maggette-for-Artest straight up. Throw in the aforementioned Ross or Davis, or first-round draft pick, and I'm giddy. If someone like Garcia or Douby is included going the other way without a Clippers cheapie coming back, I'm a bit less enthused. I think the Kings should be trying to stockpile young chips, something that hasn't been done here in Petrie's term (until this year, at least). And keeping this year's first-rounder is pretty key, it would seem.

Bottom line: This team needs to divorce itself from Artest before dissolution is eliminated as an option. That could be soon. Artest is on the verge of becoming a season-wrecker (ask Indy) and the Kings won't be able to recover from that. If the Kings get something with value back, hey, that's a pretty good deal. Right?

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Re: Why Maggette?
One problem is that the Clippers need shooters badly...and as you know Artest is not quite a shooter, more of a 'chucker'. I'd be surprised if they used Maggette to get Artest...that rumored swap for Mike Miller makes much more sense, although the ownership in Memphis makes all Griz moves dicey.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 26, 2006 9:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Why Maggette?
Do the Clippers need a shooter worse than they need an elite defender? With Sam out, the Clippers stand a chance to become a very good defensive team by switching Maggs for Artest. I doubt a reasonable trade exists that would make them a great shooting team right now.

Also, it seems most of the energy behind this rumor is coming from the Clips front office.

by Ziller on Dec 26, 2006 9:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Why Maggette?
I for one love Artest's humility in the Sac Bee article:

"I'm a great player. A lot of teams want me. ..."

Great as in superstar NBA great? Or great as in NBA-level great?

Kings-obsessed. A's obsessed. More ramblings: louisgray.com

by louismg on Dec 26, 2006 10:26 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Why Maggette?
i like the idea of salmons-maggette-martin but muss is going to have to take those signs down in the training facility and start using some of adelman's mantras "the best defense is a good offense"

by CrownUs93 on Dec 26, 2006 11:03 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Why Maggette?
Well, having an efficient offense would improve our defense, at least for stretches, because there are fewer fast break opportunities for your opponent when you're making shots.

by Deleran on Dec 26, 2006 12:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Why Maggette?
Am I the only one who thinks we should trade Bibby rather than Artest?  The few home games I've seen at Arco this year, I've been thoroughly disappointed with Bibby's managing of the offense.  Sure, there IS a new coaching staff and new scheme, but while he can still be a decent player, he's falling and that's undeniable. If we don't deal Bibby now, we won't get anything worth a smile for him later. Should Artest not publically say some of the things he says? Of course, but he's Ron Artest, we all knew how blunt he was before the trade. Calling Bibby out publicly was tactless, but the reason was absolutely true. Bibby has been awful, and he's becoming more and more stubborn every time he touches the ball. I hate to say this, but I choose Artest as the lesser of two evils.

by PissedOffGorilla on Dec 26, 2006 7:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Why Maggette?
There's a world of differences between Bibby and Artest as it relates to being a good teammate.  Bibby's injury has affected his shooting accuracy and that problem will eventually be solved.  Bibby still ranks among the top third among NBA point guards.  He is not likely to opt out because of the size of his contract.

In recent weeks Ron Artest's actions have been making the news on a regular basis and it has all be negative.  If allowed to continue, he will destroy this team.

Petrie didn't really go out looking for a player like Maggette--it just happened that he was available.

by aspen on Dec 27, 2006 10:18 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Why Maggette?
But would his actions have made the news were he not Ron Artest? I don't believe so. He's crucified for actions that occur in every NBA locker room every week. He's rude, blunt, mean, and in my opinion the team can take tips from him. The Kings are playing soft, what's wrong with admitting it? Bibby is invisible on defense, what's wrong with admitting it? As long as we keep sending the honest ones packing, this team will never be a contender. The Spurs are a perfect example of accountability. There isn't one player on that team that is not beyond being benched, and that's what makes them one of the best. Ever since Adelman came here, accountability on the court has been non-existant. They need someone to point out the flaws and get in their faces about it. And now we're sending that man packing for an underachiever with zero defense? I'm sorry, I just don't get it.

by PissedOffGorilla on Dec 27, 2006 12:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Why Maggette?
Is it Artest's place to "hold people accountable"? I'd say no. In San Antonio, Tim Duncan doesn't run the colony, Popovich does.

If Artest was an otherwise model citizen, and didn't ignore the coach to sub himself in and out, and didn't pull himself off the active roster at the last minute due to an injury no one has heard about before, and didn't refuse to speak to his teammates for four days, and didn't call out his teammates in the media, and didn't make comments about wanting the ball in crunch time after a tough loss in a close game he didn't play well in... well then, maybe I'd agree.

by Ziller on Dec 27, 2006 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Why Maggette?
Duncan is a player-coach, Kobe is a player-coach, and the best example would be Michael Jordan who on multiple occasions took quarters or halves off, refusing to take a single shot as a way of proving they needed him. Such accounts are hardly mentioned, as the double-standard is exercised at a blistering pace. I am not saying Artest is a model citizen, nor am I saying he is in the same tier of talent as the afore mentioned players, but at some point we have to acknowledge that he isn't the only person who has done what he has done, he's just the only one being torn to pieces by the media for it.

by PissedOffGorilla on Dec 27, 2006 6:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Why Maggette?
I don't think I buy the "Jordan did it, so it's not that bad" argument. When Jordan did it, it was selfish. When Artest does it, it's selfish. If Kevin Martin or Ronnie Price did it, it'd be selfish. In every case, it's a bad trait.

The difference between Jordan, Artest, and Martin, in this case (which is hypothetical for one of the players): Artest has a track record of quitting on his team completely, as in Indiana last year. If he does it again, he becomes damn near untradeable. That is unacceptable.

by Ziller on Dec 28, 2006 10:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Why Maggette?
I wasn't saying Artest wasn't being selfish, I was saying that it exists in every locker room in the NBA and to attempt to rid your locker room of every ounce of selfishness is a foolish and impossible challenge to take on.  There is, in all successful teams, a level of acceptable attitude and friction between players.  I suppose I'm merely more lenient than others in this regard, as I'm sick and tired of watching this franchise lose.  And it isn't so much that they're losing, but how they're losing.  If more of the players had the fire of Ron Artest, at least they would go down fighting.  Moreover, the only way this city's penny-pinching inhabitants will ever help pay to keep the team here is if they see what kind of money success brings in.  Perhaps I'm giving too much weight to Artest's presence here, but I believe we cannot succeed until we once and for all get in players faces when they underachieve.  I forgive Artest because he is one man spouted out his anger versus the bigger problem of a line-up of slacking, underachieving, overpaid Kings who are just showing up and playing like it's fifth grade recess time.

And we can tear apart Ron Artest's attitude, but are you saying Corey Maggette's work ethic is an improvement?  I'm not saying there will never be a justifiable trade opportunity to send Artest away, but it certainly is not for Maggette and it certainly is not now.  

by PissedOffGorilla on Dec 28, 2006 3:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Why Maggette?
It appears that Artest will miss tonight's game, the seventh games he has missed.  All of the other  players in the regular rotation (except Miller) have played in 23 or more games.  Artest has a sore leg??? At a salary of app. $100,000 per game and mediocre stats. (FGTA 36% and 3p% 25%),and coupled with his bizarre and disruptive behavior, Artest must be traded as soon as possible.  

I disagree about the team being characterized as a bunch of underachievers.  I have witnessed no lack of effort in any of the games. Keep in mind that we've had no early draft picks for 8 consecutive years and consequently, athleticism on this team is lacking.

 

by aspen on Dec 29, 2006 9:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Why Maggette?
I suppose it's merely a difference of opinion. I see Kings jogging around the court, with no sense of urgency or desire. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

by PissedOffGorilla on Dec 29, 2006 4:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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