Open Source Rebuilding: Submit Your Trade Proposals

by Tom Ziller on Jan 21, 2007 10:51 PM PST in Free Agency/Trades

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Most of us are sitting around, waiting for Geoff Petrie's big shake-up. The games still matter, and it's not fun rooting against your team for a higher draft pick. We still love this team and want this team to win. But everyone sees the writing on the wall - Sacramento must make major changes to be able to compete in this league.

Instead of sitting on our hands in anticipation, let's help out. Over the next couple weeks, we'll come up with trade proposals, discuss the reasonable ones, and cheer on the best.

In this first step, we'll be compiling a list of reasonable trade proposals. Here are the rules:

The trade must work out within the NBA's rules. The best way to accomplish this: Use ESPN's Trade Machine. With your trade proposal, include the URL from the Trade Machine page so we all know we're dealing with legal trades.
Be reasonable. In order to keep the thread clean, I'll delete ridiculous ideas.
Comment on specific proposals by clicking 'reply to this', in order to keep things in order.

I'll keep this post at the top, so fire away. Sometime next week, we'll move on to narrowing our favorite ideas down to a manageable few to perfect.

Let's get cracking!

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Artest to Miami

I'll kick things off with one that has been floating around: Artest to Miami for Posey and Wright.

Trade Machine link: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=25~671~2423&teams=14~23~23

Pros: Sacramento gets a young athletic swingman with rebounding prowess and some salary cap relief. Miami gets an elite defender that could get them back to the parade route.

Cons: Sacramento should be able to get someone more proven for Artest, and Miami would need Riley to get back on the bench in order to take Artest.

by Tom Ziller on Jan 19, 2007 11:45 AM PST reply actions

Re: Artest to Miami

i think you sell away miller and thomas for what you can get and put the keys in ron-rons hand and make him prove he is the lebron type player he thinks he is and when that doesn't work out, get san antonio luck in the lottery. unless there are still playoff hopes in sactown.

by CrownUs93 on Jan 19, 2007 1:05 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Artest to Miami

By moving Miller (broken down beyond repair, it seems) and Thomas (the Adonis of the NBA), don't you get better and thus further from Durant?

by Tom Ziller on Jan 19, 2007 1:08 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Artest to Miami

3 time all-stars like brad miller don't just break down and anybody can use a scoring machine like kenny thomas so i think you can find some suitors.

i was saying get rid of them so we can see what justin williams can do, because the team most likely will lose games either way. more losses = more ping pong balls.

by CrownUs93 on Jan 19, 2007 1:30 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Open Source Rebuilding:

For what it's worth TZ, I would approve the Thomas/Hart exchange for Nash. All in favor, say aye.

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by louismg on Jan 19, 2007 11:57 AM PST reply actions

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I heartily agree: this really is one of those rare occassions where it's a "win - win" for each team!

by Kusian on Jan 19, 2007 12:01 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Open Source Rebuilding:

Though Thomas/Hard for Nash is ridiculous, is Thomas/Hart to Portland for Magloire that ridiculous?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=312~849~498&teams=22~22~23

Sac Pros: Huge contract to come off the books this Summer
Portland Pros: Trade a non-contributor for a very handsome rebounder who, according to Charles Barkley, can "flat out score," plus a motivated point guard whose contract also goes bye bye this Summer.

I imagine Portland can do better for an expiring contract of that size, though.

by Jeff Reguilon on Jan 19, 2007 12:05 PM PST up reply actions

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Of course, I meant "Hart," though Jason Hard would make an excellent porn name. Perhaps we've found his next career?

by Jeff Reguilon on Jan 19, 2007 12:06 PM PST up reply actions

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Oh lord, Jason Hard is either a porn star or a pro wrestler. I'm too afraid to Google.

I like the deal, though I can't imagine Portland wanting another rebounding turnover machine with Joel Pryzbilla signed up for 6 more seasons.

by Tom Ziller on Jan 19, 2007 12:35 PM PST up reply actions

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Nothing scary from Google. Jason Hard is a lacross player.

by pyro on Jan 19, 2007 1:11 PM PST up reply actions

another heat option

wright, haslem, posey for artest and kt. artest at the 3 allows walker to slide to the 4 for them and gives them more scoring options. haslem and martin train together in florida every summer.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=25~849~2184~671~2423&teams=14~14~23~23 ~23

by kmart for prez on Jan 19, 2007 12:24 PM PST reply actions

Re: another heat option

I would pass out from excitement if this happened. I can't imagine someone willingly taking Thomas in exchange for a fairly priced young big like Haslem, though. Is Artest valued enough to make up for that?

by Tom Ziller on Jan 19, 2007 12:36 PM PST up reply actions

Re: another heat option

Probably only to Billy King or Isiah Thomas. So no.

by jaxe kings on Jan 19, 2007 1:48 PM PST up reply actions

Jazz in Sacramento? What?

I have no very little knowledge as to how trades work but any chance to play with people's futures with a click of a button appeals to me.

Never gonna happen but in light of Andre's woes, here is my wacky ESPN trade. Go ahead TZ - delete at will.

by pyro on Jan 19, 2007 1:53 PM PST reply actions

Re: Jazz in Sacramento? What?

Vitaly's PER is solid!

by otis29 on Jan 19, 2007 2:01 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Jazz in Sacramento? What?

Maybe don't include Deron Williams next time...

by Tom Ziller on Jan 19, 2007 2:20 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Jazz in Sacramento? What?

I know. I got laughed out of the room when I read the trade to my friend. I blame pre-gameitis.

by pyro on Jan 19, 2007 2:33 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Jazz in Sacramento? What?

Kevin O'Connor, one of the most competent GMs in the NBA, would give your proposal zero consideration. (Potapenki, Thomas, Hart, and Bibby for KIRILENKO, WILLIAMS, AND OKUR.)

The Utah players are among the best in the league at their positions.

I can't imagine anyone who would agree with you on this trade proposal. TZ should have imposed Rule #2--sorry!

by aspen on Jan 21, 2007 4:16 PM PST up reply actions

Pau Gasol

Hey everyone, here's a suggestion...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=556~1726~996&teams=29~29~23

Memphis takes Brad Miller and John Salmons, two solid starters to surround with lots of talent. They also have Eddie Jones leaving and they'll clear much cap space. Brad and Salmons can be good parts of a rebuilding team.

PG: Stoudamire,Lowry (Atkins' contract ends in 2007)
SG: Salmons, D.Jones
SF: M.Miller, Gay
PF: Warrick, Johnson
C: B.Miller, Swift

I bet they can rotate their PFs/Cs.

We on the other hand finally get some blocks and a High IQ center who can pass the ball well, in an after-Divac era. Brad Miller is a high IQ player too, but I don't think he can survive alone without Divac or Cwebb. Plus.. by giving Salmons, we got more room for Garcia and Douby to show their talent, I really believe in them. I'm not a Salmons-fan anyway, I like him but I don't see anything special in him. Gasol can also lead the team, Brad and Ron can't and Bibby all alone is also inadequate.

PG: Bibby, Price, Hart
SG: Martin, Douby
SF: Artest, Garcia
PG: Reef, Thomas
C: Gasol

What do you think?

Oneness

by Z3nBall3r on Jan 19, 2007 2:09 PM PST reply actions

Re: Pau Gasol

Intriguing, but I think one or both of Bibby/Artest are the keys to holding the firesale. On paper, Gasol/Reef/Artest/Martin/Bibby is golden. But then again, on paper, Miller/Reef/Artest/Martin/Bibby looks a lot better than 8 games under...

Nice idea.

by Tom Ziller on Jan 19, 2007 2:22 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Pau Gasol

We all know Artest is a trouble maker, very unstable character but I just love the fact that a player of his caliber has only a 7mil contract. I don't think he should be traded. I believe the main problem is that he is constantly playing in the arc. Even in his career night, almost all of his shots were from outside. Artest has to play inside, like Brand or something and occasionally to pull out and shoot some mid/long-range shots. I don't know who's fault it is, Ron's or Mussleman's? Maybe all we have to do is trade Musselman for Nelson!

Oneness

by Z3nBall3r on Jan 19, 2007 2:33 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Pau Gasol

Sorry Oneness but unless Jerry West steps down and is replaced by an inanimate carbon rod as GM of the Griz that deal has no chance. Why would Memphis give away their only proven piece for a broken down, undersized center with a contract that goes on almost into the next millenium and a decent player in Salmons who plays the most easily filled position in the league. And I wouldn't call the rest of Memphis' roster as "lots of talent".

Damn you Robert Horry!!!

by chupacabra on Jan 19, 2007 2:38 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Open Source Rebuilding: Submit Your Trade Prop

It's funny you brought this up TZ, cause I wrote out a huge rebuilding plan last night and was going to post it in a diary this weekend.

But if we're not re-building entirely I'd like the following trade to go down:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=25~936~434~497&teams=12~26~23~26

Kirilenko reportedly is on his last straw here in Utah. The Clippers are still looking to move Maggette and reportedly Elgin Baylor and Donald Sterling are still willing to take on Artest or make a move to make the team better defensively.

We'd also toss in a lottery protected first round pick (meaning it could be a year or two before the Jazz actually see the pick), but the Jazz get some cap relief and a player who fits into their system better offensively in Corey Maggette and is a better shooter than Kirilenko. Corliss would also give the Jazz another veteran to bring off the bench to add some leadership and toughness. He also would provide the team some cap relief this year as his contract expires, but he's a player who would thrive in the Utah system. And of course, the Jazz would also get a lottery protected pick from us. By 2012, if we haven't yet given the Jazz our pick, they would automatically receive it whether we were in the lottery or not.

Kirilenko is not a good shooter, but he is very willing to share the ball and makes some PHENOMENAL passes sometimes. I think Kirilenko would welcome being the 2nd option in Sacramento behind Martin, but it would likely mean we'd have to find someone to take on Bibby. If the Kings decided to open up their offense fully once again, Kirilenko would be the best passer on the team, easily, and the team would flourish. I don't think it's that AK wants more shots, AK just wants the ball more because he CAN create and doesn't get enough opportunities in the Jazz' pick and roll system. All in all, I think it's a win win for all three teams. The Jazz get enough (probably more than enough) for giving up Kirilenko, the Clippers get what they need in Artest, and the Kings get a nice piece who can play offense and defense and most of all create. He also doesn't try to do TOO MUCH like Artest does.

by bballblog on Jan 19, 2007 2:47 PM PST reply actions

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I love this deal for every team involved. Kirilenko is an incredible defender, so that will help Musselman continue to mold the team in his image. This also makes the point guard position easier to deal with, since Kirilenko is a good passer at the 2 and 3.

by Tom Ziller on Jan 19, 2007 2:57 PM PST up reply actions

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I sure love Kirilenko but I dont see Utah moving him. He is just too unique of a talent for Utah to give up for what they would be getting back. Maggette and Williamson would probably fit nicely into Utah but you cant give up a 1st round pick and a guy who if he can stay healthy can be a top ten talent in this league. Not too man guys who could drop a quadruple double on any given night of the season (blocks, steals, points, assists).

Damn you Robert Horry!!!

by chupacabra on Jan 19, 2007 2:57 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Open Source Rebuilding: Submit Your Trade Prop

Do these reports alter your thinking any? I think the Jazz think they can make a run for it in the next two years, and an offensive wing seems to be the biggest need.

(Though they'd still might need to find a better option at two-guard.)

by Tom Ziller on Jan 19, 2007 3:01 PM PST up reply actions

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I dont think you can read too much into those reports. Miller shoots his mouth off all the time. How many times did he dog Boozer last year or even rag on Malone. I have healthy respect for Utah GM Kevin O'Conner and I think it would take alot more to pry AK47 out of Utah. Im thinking they would want a young all star like a Josh Howard type.

Damn you Robert Horry!!!

by chupacabra on Jan 19, 2007 3:15 PM PST up reply actions

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Good points.

by Tom Ziller on Jan 19, 2007 3:17 PM PST up reply actions

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Yes, but Boozer wasn't healthy. We all knew what Boozer was capable if he was healthy. That's all Miller was getting at. Now that Boozer is healthy and playing well, there's no way they would trade him unless it was for KG or a player of that caliber.

The Jazz have coveted Maggette's game for years. Remember, they signed him to an offer sheet only to have the Clippers match it back in 2003. He's not as good as AK defensively but he's much better offensively and he's the type of player that the Jazz want AK playing like. Slashing to the rim, getting easy buckets. But Maggette can also shoot, and that's something the Jazz do need. Outside of Fisher, Williams and Mehmet Okur, the Jazz only get the occasional outside touch from Harpring or AK. It's not enough.

Sloan would love Corliss' hustle, toughness and leadership as well - something the Jazz are lacking (remember, Corliss has won a ring as well - like Fisher) right now. And if the Jazz are serious about competing for a title the next several years, Corliss would be a good piece to have.

Throw in a first round pick and it's more than enough, in my honest opinion.

by bballblog on Jan 19, 2007 3:26 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Open Source Rebuilding: Submit Your Trade Prop

i love kirilenkos game, from a distance not on my favorite team.

pros: defense, passing, unselfish play, his hot wife

cons: high price, injury woes, and i just have something against the rocky IV look.

by CrownUs93 on Jan 19, 2007 4:17 PM PST up reply actions

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LOL on Rocky IV. So true. You know, his wife allows him a freebie groupie affair once a year, don't ya? I can't say I wouldn't be even more liberal with twelve million plus a year coming in.

by pyro on Jan 19, 2007 9:01 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Open Source Rebuilding: Submit Your Trade Prop

That's a GREAT trade. Kirilenko is young enough to stay around for a rebuilding effort, it allows us to unload Ron and it adds a TON of shotblocking to the team.

by Carl on Jan 19, 2007 10:37 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Open Source Rebuilding: Submit Your Trade Prop

Well, Maggette wants out of the Clippers (reportedly) because of playing time. The Jazz can give him a great amount at the two or the three. I don't think Harpring is quick enough to stay with the two's of this league, but Corey clearly is. The Jazz should start Harpring at the 3 and Corey at the 2. Corey could easily get minutes at the 3, and Corliss can provide Harpring some relief as well. The Jazz' bench becomes stronger after this trade as now Fisher can resume his back-up duties for Williams and come off the bench for Corey. Throw in a lottery protected first round pick, and the Jazz get more than enough for AK.

Do I think this deal will happen? Probably not. But it makes sense, at least.

by bballblog on Jan 19, 2007 3:19 PM PST reply actions

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Physical pending.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=25~312~469&teams=25~25~23

Russman

by ridnour8 on Jan 19, 2007 3:25 PM PST reply actions

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I like this one. Let's do it!

by kinginaus on Jan 19, 2007 7:17 PM PST up reply actions

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I had heard that Seattle felt that Lewis was untradable and their future franchise player. Has that changed?

by Deleran on Jan 19, 2007 7:35 PM PST up reply actions

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Before he goes to the Lakers. McHale would probably never do this though.....

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=25~61~674~3003~261&teams=16~16~16~23~2 3

Russman

by ridnour8 on Jan 19, 2007 3:31 PM PST reply actions

Re: Submit Your Trade Proposals

Knew it was a matter of time before you showed up in the thread! The Rashard idea is intriguing - Martin + Lewis = slash you to death. The Garnett idea is a chuckle, though.

by Tom Ziller on Jan 19, 2007 3:38 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Submit Your Trade Proposals

Martin and Lewis sounds so familiar. "Oh Braaaddddd!" ; )

by pyro on Jan 19, 2007 3:56 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Open Source Rebuilding

I hate to be all Debbie Downer on everyone but Petrie has his work cut out for him if he is going to make a deal. All the usual suspects are tuff moves. Miller has a monster contract for I think 4 more years at over $50 million for an undersized center. Bibby's player option out at the end of this year is going to make alot of teams wary of trading for a guy who might become a free agent. And Artest? Most of the league knows the guy's elavator doesnt go to the top floor(I think it stops at about the knee cap floor). With Billy King and Isiah pretty much done as far as having pieces to move Petrie really has to make some magic happen or at least take some compromising photos of other GM's. Better have those curtains drawn Elgin Baylor.

Damn you Robert Horry!!!

by chupacabra on Jan 19, 2007 4:17 PM PST reply actions

Re: Open Source Rebuilding

Brad's not undersized, it's just that he can't jump over a shoelace.

by Carl on Jan 19, 2007 10:43 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Open Source Rebuilding

My God is that boy glued to the freakin' floor! What's odd is that he gets more air underneath his shoes when he takes an in rhythm jump shot than when he goes for a rebound. WTF?!

by Kusian on Jan 20, 2007 9:59 AM PST up reply actions

Back To Indiana???

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=556~936~615&teams=11~11~23

This one looks good to me and is something that I think we could get done as well...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Pacers-O-Neal-may-be-dealt;_ylt=AseaNWiMspkXuFaM_jJGXG28vLYF ?urn=nba,21816

by Reverend John on Jan 19, 2007 4:27 PM PST reply actions

Re: Back To Indiana???

This is the only trade I've seen that leaves me all fuzzy inside, haha. Moreover, Miller has publicly said he intends to finish his career with the Pacers, so everyone's happy. Then all we have to do is move the contracts of Jason Hart, Vitaly, KT, and Bibby, and get some solid pieces in return, and we can be a championship contender again. The fact that Bibby can opt out at the end of this season might be intriguing to a lousy team who knows he won't choose to be there the next season so they can free up some money and get some talent. If your team sucks, potential opt-outs are the same as expiring contracts.

by PissedOffGorilla on Jan 20, 2007 8:31 AM PST up reply actions

Re: Open Source Rebuilding: Submit Your Trade Prop

I don't think it's impossible to pull off a trade for any of the guys we would like to move EXCEPT maybe Kenny Thomas. Brad Miller could thrive in the right system (like San Antonio) for instance, where his weaknesses are easily masked and his strengths would be maximized (passing ability, outside shooting).

I don't think it's impossible to trade Bibby either, or Artest. It really just depends on the deal and the right situation. The only player I can see that Petrie would have trouble trading is Kenny Thomas, but I'm all for giving up Garcia as well if that's what it takes to move Thomas.

by bballblog on Jan 19, 2007 4:28 PM PST reply actions

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Can we swing this? Please? I know the Cav's are desperate for a point guard of any variety.

by Deleran on Jan 19, 2007 5:34 PM PST reply actions

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I object on the grounds of Ira's excruciatingly bad hair-do.

by Kusian on Jan 20, 2007 10:02 AM PST up reply actions

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My second proposal. I'd love to see Lawrence Frank try to control Ron.

by Deleran on Jan 19, 2007 5:42 PM PST reply actions

Re: Open Source Rebuilding: Submit Your Trade Prop

Not bad, that's if they'd want him
I'm sure NJ is looking for a C to replace Nenad
They would also deal Kidd for the right price

by kingme on Jan 20, 2007 1:15 PM PST up reply actions

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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=25~312~556~837~687~3026~1021~2373~2411~304 0~996~402~817&teams=1~29~29~2~29~23~1~2~23~29~23~2~1

Four teams. Blockbuster Trade. Petrie does it again.

by fntm on Jan 19, 2007 7:17 PM PST reply actions

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just playing the devil's advocate

atlanta trades away josh smith, josh childress and shelden williams for ron artest, stoudamire and scalabrine? what the...

why would boston want more wing players?

mem can get more for gasol

we run away like bandits

by kingme on Jan 20, 2007 1:12 PM PST up reply actions

Yahoo rumour: JO - Brad

Hey guys, yahoo just reported that JO is on the block and the most popular rumour is trading him for brad miller or camby....
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Pacers-O-Neal-may-be-dealt;_ylt=Alg1NR2TaH8tHb_oeO8gXra8vLYF ?urn=nba,21816

This is actually possible:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=556~674~936~615&teams=11~11~11~23

Brad Miller can be a stable C for the Pacers. Williamson and Potapenko are in their last year so they will clear about 9-10 millions of cap space for the pacers.. I love it...

Oneness

by Z3nBall3r on Jan 19, 2007 7:45 PM PST reply actions

Re: Yahoo rumour: JO - Brad

I wouldn't say it's possible. I could see the Pacers trying to clear up cap room and tanking the rest of the season to try to get Greg Oden. But the Pacers wouldn't want Brad Miller back (they would then have the slowest front court in the history of the league with Miller, Murphy and Dunleavy in the line-up), IMO, it's more likely we'd see something like this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3~2755~674~2807~936~615&teams=11~11~11 ~11~11~23

I just can't see Bird and Walsh giving up their franchise player to get Brad Miller and cap relief. The Pacers would probably want cap relief and two young players in Price and Garcia.

by bballblog on Jan 19, 2007 9:05 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Yahoo rumour: JO - Brad

5 mediocre bench players for JO and not Brad Miller? LoL, that sounds even more crazy.

Oneness

by Z3nBall3r on Jan 19, 2007 9:39 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Yahoo rumour: JO - Brad

It's not so crazy when the Pacers can use a player like Garcia now that they've dealt away their best perimeter defender in Jackson.

If the Pacers get a good draft pick and are able to use that cap room to go after someone like Chauncey Billups (or Bibby if he opts) out, it's a good deal. Every time reaches a window when it's time to rebuild. The Pacers have met theirs, and we're very close - if not at the point - where it's time for us to as well.

by bballblog on Jan 19, 2007 10:10 PM PST up reply actions

Not a Know it all

Hey I've been a big SacTownRoyalty fan for the last 8 months but never got around to creating an account. I don't know how many of you read sacbee.com (I do) but I post a lot on there under the same account name (cdoggy1) to try and combat the political campaign by NoNewArena who spreads anti-arena slurs and general negativity about the Kings and who also assists the Republican that pays him to do so.

That being said, last year as soon as Ron Artest requested a trade from Indiana I proceeded to tell everyone I knew that he was going to go to the Kings, and that he was exactly what they needed (based on speculation and hope). The trade didn't happen until January 25th, but I had information as of January 15th that Artest (if he came to Sacto) would be # 93 from the people who actually sew the Kings jerseys. Being as that was an odd number it stuck in my mind. The announcement of such came much later.

My trade hopes are as such: Andrei Kirilenko would be awesome, but there is no way that Utah would ever take Artest. It's freaking Utah! (Those Jersey makers are mormon! I know their sentiments), however, my bigger hope is that they can get Darko Milicic (and maybe Tony Battie for matching contracts) so that the Kings can finally get a big man with a blocking presence who also has a range of offensive skills and a big upside.

by CAB on Jan 19, 2007 8:24 PM PST reply actions

Re: Not a Know it all

Cdoggy1,

If you had read the trade, Artest goes to the Clippers. Not Utah. Maggette & Corliss would be going to the Jazz.

by bballblog on Jan 19, 2007 8:59 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Open Source Rebuilding: Submit Your Trade Prop

I see that now, but it seems to me that the Artest to Clips trade died a while ago, maybe that was just because Petrie was asking too much (rightfully so, he's the man) but I don't see how the Jazz would ever consider Maggette an equal pawn to that of a proven Kirilenko, after all, Maggette isn't even equal to Artest as far as straight up trades go (including corliss is matching salaries not skill), so it seems like a shaky situation. Kirilenko might be as injury prone as Maggette, but he's arguably the most competitive defensive player of the year type candidate to Artest without the baggage and relative insanity, and like I said, Artest for Maggette wasn't a good enough deal to begin with, Maggette for Kirilenko is stretching it further.

by CAB on Jan 20, 2007 5:58 AM PST reply actions

CHA-LAC-SAC Deal

This is a trade that makes sense.

1. Maggette to Charlotte for Toronto's pick. Kings get Toronto's pick while Artest goes to Clippers.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=25~497~1709&teams=12~30~23

This trade actually makes sense.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/44309/20070120/charlotte_confirms_discussion_with_clippers_on _maggette/

by kingme18 on Jan 20, 2007 12:11 PM PST reply actions

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I guess you're forgetting about the first round pick and the fact that Corliss is EXACTLY the type of player the Jazz need right now. I live in Utah. I'm pretty sure Sloan would give his liver for a player like Corliss; and someone who is giving more effort than Kirilenko like Maggette. Throw in a first round pick and it's an even trade for everyone involved.

The fact of the matter is I watch every Kings game; and if there's a team I watch just as much, it's the Jazz cause I live here in Utah. I know what the Jazz need right now. They have had a great record all year with Kirilenko giving a half assed effort on the offensive end.

However, the Jazz are not as deep as people think, and if they are serious about making a move now, they need to acquire some players that can fit in Sloan's system. Both Maggette and Corliss are perfect for it - so is Kirilenko, but when Sloan says a player is on thin ice, it's true. Unless they kiss and make up before the trading deadline, I'd say Kirilenko is dealt, and people close to the team think AK has a month to shape up or he's going to be shipped out.

Do I think this is the deal that would happen? Not entirely. But I do think it's a good deal for all parties involved, and others have agreed.

Shrug.

Again, remember the context of this thread and the purpose of this thread. Sure, the Artest to the Clips talks stopped a few weeks ago, but that doesn't mean they can't start up again. My thinking is Petrie didn't pursue them further because the Maloofs told him to wait until the trading deadline to see if things would either get worse, or get better.

I honestly think the Kings will make a major move before the deadline, and I'd put money on either Artest or Bibby being involved. Maybe both.

by bballblog on Jan 20, 2007 1:01 PM PST reply actions

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I doubt Petrie touches Kirilenko's contract. We are close to rebuilding so we'd want young players like Paul Millsap if Jazz wants Corliss especially his expiring contract.

by kingme18 on Jan 20, 2007 1:06 PM PST up reply actions

lalala

OT: Where the hell is Kenny Thomas?

Let the bashing begin

NYK Trade (Isiah needs to win now)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=25~61~2986~255~2772&teams=18~18~23~23~ 23

Jazz Trade (Unloading bad contracts)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=25~837~849~2368~434&teams=26~26~26~23~ 23

NJ Trade (N needs a C)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=429~61~556&teams=23~17~17

Bos Trade (Cap relief)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=25~556~849~662~687&teams=2~2~2~23~23

Ind Trade (Would they want Ron back)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=25~2394~556~2760~615&teams=11~11~11~23 ~23

I hope at least 1 proposal does not get deleted
LOL

by kingme on Jan 20, 2007 1:06 PM PST reply actions

Re: lalala

This is my last stupid trade proposal
forgot to take a swipe at Gasol

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=61~556~936~996~402&teams=29~29~29~23~2 3

by kingme on Jan 20, 2007 1:19 PM PST up reply actions

Let's See if TZ Deletes This One...

Welcome back Jason Williams!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=614~933~25~61~556&teams=23~23~14~14~14

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by louismg on Jan 20, 2007 1:54 PM PST reply actions

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2368~273~25&teams=23~23~26
*the jazz are said to have been looking for a perimeter defender

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1711~664~25&teams=23~23~5

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=556~674~687&teams=2~2~23

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=45~1995~862~25~849&teams=23~23~23~19~1 9

by dun on Jan 21, 2007 1:32 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Open Source Rebuilding: Submit Your Trade Prop

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=497~25~2368~273~2010~671&teams=26~14~2 3~12~12~23

i think this one is more feasible as it's utah's contract to maggette that the clippers matched and the clippers will get 2 shooters (kapono and giricek).

by dun on Jan 21, 2007 1:38 PM PST up reply actions