RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers Deal?

by Ziller on Oct 31, 2007 1:01 PM PDT in Free Agency/Trades Comment 40 comments

Pound the salt, baby, but a Chicago radio station is reporting the Bulls have a deal on the table, awaiting Kobe Bryant's approval, which involves the Kings. Apparently, Ron Artest and Kirk Hinrich and possibly another Chicago asset would go to the Lakers, Kobe would join the Bulls, and the Kings would get... something?

To me, if this isn't smoke out of someone's ass, Hinrich to Sacramento would make more sense... unless Sacramento was shedding an undesirable contract in the process, as well. I know Geoff Petrie was very high on Joakim Noah around draft time, and I think a kid like Noah is worth adding (along with enough expiring contract to make it fly under cap rules) for wasting Artest's time. But I still think Hinrich makes more sense in Sacramento than PG-heavy L.A.

UPDATE: The radio station in question is now reporting Mike Bibby as being in play, which seems ridiculous/stunning to me. Any sense the deal made is losing steam... (Thanks to Matt for the updates.)

UPDATE #2: Ric Bucher got on ESPN to throw some more names in the fire, but added the deal is dead. He said something like the Bens Wallace and Gordon were slotted to Sacramento, which is beyond stupid. I give up.

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Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

I would be in favor of getting Hinrich to the Kings as the PG of the future. Hopefully we get a big like Noah or Thomas as well (I'd prefer Noah because I've heard Thomas has attitude / work ethic problems).

If Artest does go then I'll be a little sad because I wanted to see him succeed as a King this year, however unlikely that might've been.

by thekangarooster on Oct 31, 2007 1:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

What do you mean, "if"?

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by Ben Q Rock on Oct 31, 2007 1:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

This trade, as well as the kings giving up Artest to be a part of it, is still a big internet / radio rumor. Even if it's not a rumor then Kobe still has to sign off on it.

by thekangarooster on Oct 31, 2007 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

I meant that as in why Tom would qualify the statement "this is smoke out of someone's ass."

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by Ben Q Rock on Oct 31, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Let's pray this goes through. Hopefully the Kings would get a young power and possibly a young point out of this deal. Thomas/Noah and Farmar/Crittenden would be a very good new beginning for the Kings.

I also wouldn't doubt that maybe Gordon is going to the Lakers with Reef going to the Bulls with cap relief coming to Sac (Brown) but maybe that is too much to wish for.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Oct 31, 2007 1:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

You can make it work salary wise per the trade machine with:

Chicago gets Kobe

Lakers get Hinrich, Artest, Gordon, Reef and Sefolosha

Kings get Thomas, Brown and Crittenton

I like it for the Kings.

Bulls would start Duhon, Kobe, Deng, Noah and Wallace. I think Kobe might buy into that.

Lakers go with Fisher, Gordon, Artest, Odom and Bynum.

Not bad for all 3 teams.

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 31, 2007 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

This may be one of the better trade scenarios I've heard. I imagine it would have to come with some promise of artest resigning. Otherwise, works all around. Plus Artest would probably be happy being in LA on a potentially above-average lakers team. Kings get some athleticism and youth for the future and Bulls get Kobe while keeping Deng and Noah....This must happen.

by Kingsfan banished to AZ on Oct 31, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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In this scenario, why would the Lakers go with Fisher over Hinrich?

by smgmatt on Nov 1, 2007 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Ooops, you are correct sir.

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2007 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

TZ's idea also works per the trade machine like this:

Bulls get Kobe

Lakers get Kenny Thomas, Artest and Gordon

Kings get Hinrich, Ty Thomas and Sefolosha(1.8mil for 2 years)

I like this one too.

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 31, 2007 2:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

I don't see how Petrie could steal Henrich, Thomas, AND sefolosha for a potentially expiring Artest and K9, but I would be more than happy if he did.

by Kingsfan banished to AZ on Oct 31, 2007 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

I concur.

by thekangarooster on Oct 31, 2007 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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What happens to Mike Bibby with Hinrich around? Do you play them together or sell off Bibby cheaply also?

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by pookeyguru on Oct 31, 2007 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

Good point. You think it would pretty much kill off any leverage we had left with him. Nothing smells of trade desperation quite like bringing in a new starter.

by Kingsfan banished to AZ on Oct 31, 2007 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

Read a while back, in the Bee I think, that Petrie has a Bibby deal on the table, but was waiting to see how he bought into Theus' program.

Of course that was before the injury, but there'd be 10-12 weeks to work out a Bibby deal.

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 31, 2007 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

Don't believe everything you read.

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by kingme18 on Oct 31, 2007 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I think if the Kings somehow got Hinrich... they would keep Bibby one year then trade him next year when his deal is expiring and worth a lot.

by moproblemz on Nov 1, 2007 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=68092

Trade rumors involving Los Angeles Lakers superstar Kobe Bryant coming to the Bulls just won't go away. In fact, they are getting hotter and heavier by the minute.

The latest, as reported by WSCR 670-AM, has Bryant coming to the Bulls as part of a three-way deal involving the Sacramento Kings.

Bulls guard Kirk Hinrich and Kings forward Ron Artest, a former Bulls, could wind up in Los Angeles.

The rumor was also being discussed on WMVP 1000-AM.

A Bulls source denied any deal was imminent.

by Artestify on Oct 31, 2007 2:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

YAWN... Someone has got to stop being that boy who cried wolf.

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by kingme18 on Oct 31, 2007 2:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

With Bibby in play it could be like this, again per trade machine:

Bulls get Kobe

Lakers get Gordon, Artest , Bibby and Sefolosha

Kings get Ty Thomas, Hinrich and Brown

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 31, 2007 2:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

The Chicago Bulls aren't stupid ok. They won't relinquish their entire backcourt for Kobe Bryant.

This trade rumor was a longshot to begin with, its now an even bigger longshot. This rumor has the making of someone being bored and wanted to spice things up. Until I read a press release from an NBA team, or at least confirmed by ESPN, the trade rumor does not exist. There is nothing on the burner.

But I hope to be dead wrong and hope someone would call me out as idiot if this was actually true. :)

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by kingme18 on Oct 31, 2007 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

Really? You wouldn't do Hinrich, Gordon and Sefolosha for Kobe? I'd do that in a second.

And of course it's just a rumor, I was just having fun playin with the trade machine.

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 31, 2007 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Ric Bucher got on ESPN to throw some more names in the fire, but added the deal is dead. He said something like the Bens Wallace and Gordon were slotted to Sacramento, which is beyond stupid. I give up.

Bucher's probably pretty pissed about this - didn't he say at one point that Kobe had played his last game as a Laker?

He's a jackass - I know that is off topic, but it can't be stated enough.

by otis29 on Oct 31, 2007 3:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Bucher seems to be working too much on his ridiculous George Hamilton tan and not nearly enough time swinging from Kobe's balls like he is usually doing. Where is that idiot Jim Grey in this whole situation? Bryant is going to be traded asap, I hope the Kings can be involved because there are a lot of young athletes available on both the Bulls and the Lakers.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Oct 31, 2007 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rumors galore

Apparantly (via sportscenter... second-hand) Ben Wallace to LA, Ben Gordon to SAC, Artest to LA, and Kobe to the Bulls. It has, however, fallen through. I, for one, am glad it did. Gordon..umm no thanks. We have this guy named Kevin Martin, heard of him Mr. Paxson?

by Mityt on Oct 31, 2007 3:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Rumors galore

It does work on the trade machine so that is scary. My guess would have to be that Petrie said no because it works very well for the Lakers and reasonably so for the Bulls.

by Mityt on Oct 31, 2007 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Rumors galore

There would have to be quite a few more pieces involved, cause getting Ben Wallace back for Kobe Bryant would cause rioting in LakerLand.

by otis29 on Oct 31, 2007 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Rumors galore

Sorry, forgot about Artest, but that would still be a weak return for the Mamba.

by otis29 on Oct 31, 2007 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Rumors galore

This whole idea is bad to begin with Otis.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 31, 2007 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Rumors galore

I don't know what more you can get for Kobe. Nobody really wants to gut their team for him. I bet he wants to go to a winner so there aren't many options. I do agree that those two are not equal return but whatadya gonna do? They should have kept Shaq. A healthy Lamar Odom does make that team much better. Kobe is a bitch. A very talented whiny little girl. Suck it up Kobe, suck it up.

by Mityt on Oct 31, 2007 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

Lakers need to come to grips with the reality that it is, nearly, if not entirely possible for them to get equal value for Kobe.

On that note, I don't think the Kings needs to move anyone, presently. We need to find out what our young core can do, while given the opportunity due to the injuries/suspension. Maybe consider rebuilding after the all-star break, or even wait until next summer.

Everyone is in far too much of a damn rush right now. Look here, everyone has written us off this season, including most of the hard-core fans. With that said remember a few years ago when the bulls came out of nowhere, and suddenly they were a play-off team, with a bunch of crazy young players and a newer coach? HEY LOOK WHO IS UNDER SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES.

I know this is the wrong thread to post this in, but if I were Geoff, I wouldn't do a damn thing this year, unless an unresistable offer came up. Give the young talent time to develop, if we get don't make the play-offs, or even if we do... then start your rebuilding after seeing what this young crew can do, there should be no shortage of opportunity for them to play given the coach's philosophy, and injuries+suspension.

Next summer is when I will be looking to see major transactions being completed. Personally I also wish we hadn't acquired Mikki.

by dkons21 on Oct 31, 2007 5:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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We really need to move Artest before the deadline. If he has a scandal free season he'll opt out at the end of the season and we'll get nothing. And if he's not scandal free we'll wish we'd moved him.

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 31, 2007 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

The Kings will still own his Larry Bird rights so chances are all offers go through the Kings.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Oct 31, 2007 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

hes unrestricted... so if unless artest wants 6 years, it wont come through us.

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by kingme18 on Oct 31, 2007 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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The best you could hope for would be what Seattle got for Rashard Lewis (a conditional 2nd round pick and cash)

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2007 3:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

The team Artest wants to go to is the Knicks. The Knicks have zero cap space. In order to sign Ron Artest the Knicks would have to make a trade with the Kings in a sign and trade. The Knicks are not the only team that Artest would want to go to but this same scenario works out with most other quality teams.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Nov 1, 2007 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

True, but not the kind of bargaining position I'd want to be in.

So, I'll stick by my original point. We need to move him by the deadline. Change it to - ...he'll opt out and there's a good chance we'll get nothing or not as much as we could have at the deadline.

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2007 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: RUMOR ALERT: Kings Involved in Bulls-Lakers De

I agree with you about the Bulls coming out of nowhere, and how it was a shock to almost everyone. Difference between that team and ours is that they had ALOT more "unproven talents". Outside of Douby and Garcia (make or break year), we really dont have any "sleepers". The bulls, however, continue to re-stock wih young players almost every year. The Kings simply do NO have much young (unproven) talent, therefore, all the playing time in the world wont make a world of difference!

by Hoops916 on Nov 1, 2007 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Eh, if you look at the Bulls draft positions after Jordan they had like 5 top 5 picks in a row, it was more a fact that they were overdue to start winning.