Justin Williams Absolved Of Criminal Menage a Trois Charges

by Ziller on Nov 13, 2007 7:09 PM PST in News Comment 21 comments

Ryan Lillis of the Sacramento Bee reports the Sacramento County district attorney's office has decided it won't press attempted rape charges against Justin Williams.

No word on when Williams will rejoin the team, or if he will. Grant Napear on 1140 AM seemed to indicate there's no place in the frontcourt for Williams; I guess some people have accepted the Mikki Moore era with open arms. Clearly, Williams is a plus rebounder -- hell, he's a plus-plus rebounder for this squad. Yes, the team needs frontcourt offense and good team defense from the bigs... and Williams doesn't really supply either (though I'd imagine his offense can't be much worse than Moore or Kenny Thomas when you consider offensive putbacks and transition). But Williams can certainly help the defensive rebounding game and is an excellent shot-blocker and general defensive paint nuisance.

The quicker Williams is back in the rotation -- at the expense of a Hydra head, surely -- the better for the Kings. He's an above average talent on this team.

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Re: Justin Williams

I totally agree. Moore must have been playing handball all Summer because everytime the ball comes to him it seems to bounce off his hands. Lets at least give minutes to players that have the ability to improve. The nine rebounds Moore got were not due to his boxing out skills. Williams may be a tradeble asset where as Moore is $14 Million down the drain. Maybe Moore can be trades for a 2nd rounder and we get lucky with a Jared Dudley type.

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by t bone on Nov 13, 2007 7:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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How does the Kings expect to make the playoffs when JUSTIN WILLIAMS is your 2nd best frontcourt player. Sigh...

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by kingme18 on Nov 13, 2007 7:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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I hope that lady gets a good dose of karma for hurting williams the way she has, and hurting the kings with his absence.

by dkons21 on Nov 13, 2007 8:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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Karma, shmarma. The fact that there isn't "sufficient" evidence to charge Williams doesn't mean he's completely innocent. There could be evidence of a crime, but not sufficient evidence to convict in a court of law.

City police said earlier this week there was enough evidence to warrant an investigation into the woman's claims. Police said they investigated the allegations thoroughly and handed over evidence they had gathered to the DA's office Nov. 1.

In a statement released Tuesday, the Police Department said its "detectives can not prove or disprove the allegations in this case."

You could just as easily say that Justin deserves a good dose of karma for getting away with a crime.

by otis29 on Nov 14, 2007 6:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Otis, there is so much wrong with your post philosophically, I don't even know where to begin. It literally infuriated me. I was stunned when I saw your name attached to such a illiberal response.

Thank God, we don't live under the Justinian Code or the old French model of jurisprudence. Perhaps, you'd feel better if Justin was put through a medieval "ordeal," so he can "prove" his innocence to a degree that makes you comfortable?

Either there is or there is not evidence that can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Justin's personal history indicates no propensity for criminal or deviant behavior. Moreover, as a professional athlete, he is an easy target for somebody looking for a quick buck or suffering from morning-after morality after a night of thrills.

The police's comment regarding the case are standard after almost any case where it is decided that charges will not be persued. (And how can you take any statement seriously when the person can't manage to spell "cannot" correctly?)

Thank goodness we live in a liberal - and I use this word in the traditional sense - Western country with a philosophical tradition that puts impetus on the State to prove its case.

I hope you'll consider seeing the outcome of this case from another perspective.

by Kusian on Nov 14, 2007 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Kusian, do juries generally return a verdict of "innocent" or "not guilty"?

My reply was in response to the idea that the woman involved in the case deserves a big does of negative karma for her involvement. Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. We don't know if what she's saying is true, or if she's a nutjob.

I have no disagreement with this at all, other than the fact that we don't really know Justin Williams and what makes him tick.

My point is that I'm not going to assume this lady's a golddigger or that Justin is a sexual offender BECAUSE I WASN'T THERE. Something untowards may have happened to this lady, and I'm not going to condemn her strictly on the idea that the DA wouldn't prosecute.

"Insufficient evidence" does not always equate to "innocent". Maybe you should look again at the picture TZ posted along with this story.

by otis29 on Nov 14, 2007 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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My mom used to do criminal defense. She often stressed trials aren't about innonence or guilt but just simply winning and losing. The DA thought they would lose the case which is why they dropped. I doubt guilt or innocence ever factored into the equation.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2007 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I think from a practical standpoint your comment is probably spot-on, Pookey.

by Kusian on Nov 14, 2007 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Pragmatism makes the world go round Kusian.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2007 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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"My reply was in response to the idea that the woman involved in the case deserves a big does of negative karma for her involvement. Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. We don't know if what she's saying is true, or if she's a nutjob."

Very true and well stated. This shouldn't be about the woman - regardless of the validity of her claims.

"Insufficient evidence" does not always equate to "innocent". Maybe you should look again at the picture TZ posted along with this story."

At this point, your argument falls apart. In the Simpson case, the DA deemed that there was evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Of course, they had to get a jury to buy their case. They did not. (I personally feel the jury was racially biased in favor of a black defendant and that the evidence was overwhelming against OJ.) Williams' situation is not the same. The Sacramenot DA found in the Williams's situation there was insufficient evidence to proceed. There was no case; there was no jury; there was no verdict. OJ this ain't.

Frankly, I think the OJ reference and picture is in bad taste and very unfair.

by Kusian on Nov 14, 2007 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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The only evidence of guilt of wrongdoing is the way KCRA handled the reporting of the story. All else is heresay and our opinions on the matter reflect nothing but our worldview. My worldview is probably neither party had the best of intentions or the worst, both probably thought they were at least partially in the right, and the struggle of their inner conflicts resulted in their actions--the facts surrounding which, other than the woman reporting that a violation occurred, are pretty murky and I doubt either Justin or the woman or his girlfriend are happy to have gone through this process. I enjoy watching Justin play basketball so I am happy that he will soon be back on the court.

In regards to the OJ picture, Kusian, I agree: it surpassed my limits of decorum. I would have rather seen a phone book cut-out informing us of the telephone numbers and home addresses of every reporter and editor who published pictures of Justin's home and announced his address. Although this would have been barbaric, it woudl have seemed more karmically justified.

by NYCFan on Nov 14, 2007 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Frankly, I think the OJ reference and picture is in bad taste and very unfair.

Yeah, I was a bit shocked by it myself...

Really, I think you may have misinterpreted my initial comments as being anti-Justin, or a knock on the legal system. Neither is the case - I just won't assume the complainant had ulterior motives. She may well have felt a crime was committed, and the DA felt otherwise.

I just don't know enough about the evidence to wish bad karma on a potential victim.

by otis29 on Nov 14, 2007 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Fair enough. I agree. As usual, well stated, Otis.

by Kusian on Nov 14, 2007 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Yea I agree with that statement too. Oh, and Kusian, most ppl felt that OJ's jury let him off because he was black. As someone who marginally believes in the justice system, and I stress marginally, I think the OJ trial does a great dis-service to how most criminal trials are actually handled.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 14, 2007 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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It seems to me to be a bad decision to liken OJ's "innocence" with JWill's INNOCENCE!!!

trade em all

by kangsfan on Nov 13, 2007 9:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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You think Justin didn't give the old "whew" face when he found out?

by Ziller on Nov 14, 2007 6:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I'm sure he did, however it was never brought to court and if he WAS in fact innocent i'm sure he felt fairly confident that the investigation would not lead to charges. OJ on the other hand was a few non biased votes from being in prison for a very long time.

trade em all except Kev, John, and SHawes...How's that TZ?

by kangsfan on Nov 14, 2007 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I didn't have a problem with the OJ photo as I thought it was more in the context of the expression on his face as opposed to it being an attempt to link the two incidents. Although when it comes to all of this karma talk it sure does appear that karma has finally come around and paid a visit on Mr. Simpson.

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by section214 on Nov 14, 2007 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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I can see that perspective, Section. It's reasonable. However, I think that photo brings to mind injustice and racial strife more than it does relief. OJ has comes to represent everything bad about what is still for the most part an effective American system of justice.

OJ is a social pariah. I hate to see Justin linked with him.

by Kusian on Nov 14, 2007 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs