Sactown Royalty: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
New Blog: RSL Soapbox for Real Salt Lake Fans!

No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear

(If you don't feel like sitting through this recap, just go read these three comments from the game thread and you'll find my sentiments are similar.)

You know how I called Chris Sheridan silly for indicating Reggie Theus had already started to lose the locker room? I think I might have jumped the gun there a little bit. Apologies, Chris.

I can safely say no one but Beno Udrih was happy about that game. John Salmons apparently stormed out of the locker room after the game. I don't blame him. Yes, I've been hard on him with respects to ignoring the other folks on the floor. But Jesus, he's been playing his ass off. He plays hard. He deserves more than 26 minutes. I know Ron Artest has to be in there, I know Kevin Martin needs 38 minutes or so. Of course. But Mikki Moore with 28 minutes? Beno F. Udrih with 39 minutes?

Seriously, Beno Udrih? He played absolutely unequivocably terrible in Monday's game... so you bench John Salmons and Francisco Garcia (who had a bad, bad night) for him? The box score ended up looking fine for Udrih, so this argument will hold little weight. But Salmons has been your second best player in nearly every game this season. You don't think he could play with Ron and Kevin in the backcourt? He played with Francisco and Kevin for two weeks, and the back court was the strength of the team! And why on Earth would Salmons feel so terrible? He'd finally been freed from the shackles he'd lived under since he first heard the name Allen Iverson. This has been, for all purposes, Salmons first real shot as a starter. And he excelled. And now, through no fault of his own, it's gone. Back to the Philadelphia days, right?

Of course, the game was lost when Reggie Theus went all Zeus on us and pulled Kevin for a "missed defensive assignment" three minutes into the third quarter. What was the "missed defensive assignment," praytell? He didn't leave Rashad McCants (a 52% three-point shooter) to rotate on to Theo Ratliff (a 48% field goal shooter with almost no touch from beyond 10 feet) from 17 feet. He got yanked because he defended the three from the guy who was on fire instead of challenging the long jumper for a 42-year-old center! Sacramento was up 53-51 when Theus yanked Martin out. Minnesota led 61-58 when Martin returned four minutes later. (It took four minutes to make the point you leave hot streak shooters open to challenge long jumpers by 42-year-old centers.) And guess what? BALL GAME. Sacramento could have spread its lead without that ridiculous decision by Theus, and they could have won the game. Instead, they got into a fire fight with McCants (who scored 4 points while Martin was out in the that stretch, by the way). Tremendous strategy. Glad that worked out for the team.

Seriously, that game sucked. I actually felt tore down afterwards.

0 recs  |  Comment 32 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
Looks like Udrih put up Bibby numbers, but with a few less shots.  They're the numbers you'd hope to get from your PG coming off the bench. Oh right. He started. Yay...

by NYCFan on Nov 15, 2007 8:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
TZ, thanks for channeling my frustration.  Two of your best three players this year barely see the floor (compared to previous games) while one of your worst (Moore) sees significant minutes.  I like Beno - for about 25 minutes a night.

This was terribly played and coached game.

My only bright spot was that Ron played well and was not a black hole and that Brad continues to play hard (though he's still a terrible post defender.)

by Kusian on Nov 15, 2007 8:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
I disagree a lil bit Kusian.
Artest put some very good numbers but...
He wasn't a stud defensively which he's supposed to be night in and night out.
And offensively he made his jumpers (which weren't in the flow of the offense) but the whole Artest-playing-PF experiment was a complete failure.
Every time Ron took it inside he either got rejected or lost the ball.
I know it was his first game and I hope he'll get better but i wasn't impressed.

Some more random thoughts
Spencer is improving with every game. He pulled down some nice rebounds last night. What I didn't like is the fact that he got the ball in the low post ONCE in the three games he played. WTF Reggie?!

Salmons been the Mr Consistent so far. He's our best 1v1 player and his jumper became very accurate. Of course he's got his flaws (holding the ball and not being a very good team player)
but c'mon! Show the guy some respect. WTF Reggie #2?!

by cwebb on Nov 15, 2007 12:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
Good points regarding Ron. You are correct.  I should have prefaced my comment by saying that he played as well as could be expected for his first game back and with everybody getting used to a new line up.

I noticed the same thing regarding Hawes.  He was getting great post position but nobody is passing him the ball. So, he ends up holding the position and then having to get out of the paint and rotate back out to the corners.

by Kusian on Nov 15, 2007 12:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
p.s. Thanks for the pic, TZ - it helps a bit ;)

by Kusian on Nov 15, 2007 8:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
I realized that the picture just automatically pops up on the comments window right before the comments begin.  It's just a hot pic of a Maxim chick. My bad....

by Kusian on Nov 15, 2007 9:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
...And I get the Kaiser "pop up." The irony is not lost on me...
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Nov 15, 2007 9:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
Oh, ha. Yeah, that's a SportsBlogs Nation ad. I'm guessing it gets decent click-through.

by Ziller on Nov 15, 2007 9:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
While we're talking about ads: On the eBay ones which show up periodically on the sidebar, there were two lower-level row G tickets for last night's game in Minnesota... going for $26. For the pair. Even now those would go for $200+ at ARCO.

by Ziller on Nov 15, 2007 9:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
Lower level for $52!  Heck, I might even break down and take a date for that kinda price. Now $400 to take a date to a Kings game?!! Not a chance - even if it was a sure thing ;)

by Kusian on Nov 15, 2007 10:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
I agree that last night sucked. Theus angered me by taking Speedracer out of the game. Especially for that long of a time period and why he played Salmons only 26 minutes and did NOT start him seems very baffling and inconsistant with his comments about giving the playing time to the guys who are playing hard and getting it done on the court.

However, even if Martin and Salmons had played 48 minutes each last night, with how bad our rebounding is and our lack of consistant flow on offense, I still don't know if we would have won.

The Kings are rebuilding. They suck right now. Theus is a rookie coach that will need a while to understand the modern NBA game. The Hydra is pretty much useless on defense. With Artest, Salmons, Garcia and Martin, those are 4 players that need the ball to create their shot. Martin not as much but is best when taking his man off the dribble and getting to the foul line. You have Douby that will get lost on the bench. It's going to be a long season unless Spencer and Justin can come in and mature very fast and provide HUGE help on the boards. I doubt that though.

He can shoot, and he looks great in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Nov 15, 2007 8:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
You know, I get tired of all the Kmart is god talk.  The guy is good but he's not the second coming.  He played absolutely NO defense last night and let McCants go off for 33.  This is freaking McCants!  I'm tired of watching Kmart shoot free-throws.  It's boring as hell.

Can't blame the loss on Beno.  Theus did not play Salmons and Garcia much because neither of those guys were having a good game at all.  Salmons wasn't playing defense.  Neither were rebounding. The Kings were out rebounded 41 to 26.  That's your ball game right there.

by KingsFan on Nov 15, 2007 10:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
All excellent points, DaveL. I would add that my frustration is that (1) Martin is the biggest and almost only reason to watch this current squad, and that he is (at least for the time being) the future of this franchise. He is a rising star and I just don't see the upside to what R-Muss did last night.

You are cetainly spot on regarding the rebounding, but it's hard to blame Salmons and Garcia if they are not on the court. Mikki Moore's three boards in 28 minutes would be where I would point the first finger.

Tough days for us Kings fans, no?

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Nov 15, 2007 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
Though Salmons/Fransisco may have not been rebounding well I have to believe that Jaric would not have led the wolves in boards with 8(including 3 offensive) had they been in more.
BTW Miller led the kings with 8.  Maybe we should trade for yaric and start him at power forward?
trade em all except Kev, John, and SHawes...How's that TZ?

by kangsfan on Nov 15, 2007 10:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
It's like this: If all you have to eat for six months is rotten cabbage and someone comes a long and gives you a nice loaf of sourdough bread, that bread is the greatest thing you've ever tasted in your life.  So, what I'm saying is that Kenny Thomas is the basketball equivalent of rotten cabbage.

by Carl on Nov 15, 2007 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
So Kenny Thomas has brought the Kings nothing on the court, he certainly has inspired the most clever nick names.  No way I'll look at him ever again and not see a head of rotten cabbage. Fan-tastic!

by NYCFan on Nov 15, 2007 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
I have some rotten cabbage in my refrigerator and it is insulted to be compared with K9(woof!).
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Nov 15, 2007 3:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
I tell ya what if Salmons and Garcia would have got their minutes last night, then the Wolves guards wouldn't have been rebounding like freakin' PFs.

The bottom line is that Moore/Thomas need to be placed at the far end of the bench and not played. They are terrible.  I'd rather go down with the rookie big men and see them improve game after game.  Spencer is going to be a very good offensive player, and his defense will only get better with more playing time.  

by Kusian on Nov 15, 2007 8:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
Eight games in, and we've got a steady stream of dissension in the locker room.  If it was KT or Mikki - whatever.  But Salmons is another story - this guy has a reputation as a team guy, and as you've indicated TZ, he's playing hard and playing well.

Still, it is only eight games. The team just got Artest and Hawes in the fold, and Justin Williams will be back soon as well. So this could take some time to figure out.

To say it's not looking good right now though is an understatement.

by otis29 on Nov 15, 2007 8:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
Udrih would not be playing much if he were still at San Antonio or Minnesota.  John Salmons had been our BEST ALL-AROUND PLAYER THROUGH THE FIRST SEVEN GAMES AND DESERVED TO START AND GET HIS MINUTES.  

Reggie is looking more and more like a college coach as predicted--and you can expect more dissention in the locker room.  Players cannot perform at their best unless they understand their their role in the scheme of things.  Theus doesn't have a scheme which promotes any degree of stability.

by aspen on Nov 15, 2007 9:37 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
I'm going to jump off a cliff if Theus ends up being an even worse game manager than Muss.

by Kusian on Nov 15, 2007 9:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
I'm guessing that SVG is probably not second guessing his decision. All hail R-Muss!
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Nov 15, 2007 9:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
I don't remember Musselman benching anybody for bad play. When Artest chucked up bad shot after bad shot, he still played 40 minutes. K-9 started every game and played around 30 minutes no matter how many layups he missed. Justin and all the young guys like Garcia and Douby never got off the pine much until the last couple weeks or so of the season. Theus is the OPPOSITE of Musselman on all those fronts. He is playing the young guys much more so far this season and when a player makes a mistake he is on the bench. Both coaches may be taking thier philosophies to the extreme though.

The one thing that is similar between the two coaches though is a seaming lack of an offensive identity. It's pretty much, whoever has the ball creates. That may not be a coaching fault though. It could just be the personnel. Still, there seems to be something missing out there offensively. Like maybe a post-up game. Artest doesn't seem to want to do that no matter what Reggie says. He wants to be the next Tracy McGrady or Lebron.

He can shoot, and he looks great in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Nov 15, 2007 10:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
After reading the recap/comments it made me glad I was drunk throughout the game. For that matter I'm still hungover. I'm going back to bed.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Nov 15, 2007 10:32 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
Wow.

If Theus can upset us fans this easily (after only 8 games, 7 without Artest, 5 without Beno or Spencer) then just think what the players must be feeling.

Bench Douby, Greene, or any of the Hydra for a mistake or anything else but bench Salmons or Martin and the entire world of Kings fans descends upon Reggie to make him to be Musselman in more stylish clothing - or God forbid, worse.

I don't agree with the way Theus handled the situation last night. Benching Martin for that long for ONE missed defensive assingment (no matter what it was) is absolutly insane, it's not like Martin has been making constant errors on defense all season. Also, I agree that Salmons should have started at the SF or at least gotten 35 or so minutes. Still, it's very early in the season. Theus will have rookie pains just like any 1st year coach. Reggie is a guy who demands his players, even Kevin, to do exactly what they are told. He may have to learn to lighten up a bit. I'm not going to castrate him for one bad game, though if this continues, I may change my mind. Let's see what happens when Spencer and Justin get into the rotation and hopefully Salmons will get more PT.

He can shoot, and he looks great in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Nov 15, 2007 10:34 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
Spencer and Justin better not screw up if they want to stay in the rotation...

dalt, you are right. It is very early. I think that everyone has their antenna up right now, and the timing of Theus' moves, on the heels of Sheridan's article (which the majority of us dismissed) were unfortunate.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Nov 15, 2007 10:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
That's true. It was very bad timing. I can't wait for Friday to see how many minutes Hawes and Williams get and to see if Salmons can get back into the flow on the offensive end.

Yah, Justin and Spencer better rotate out to guard David Lee instead of staying with Zach Randolph.

He can shoot, and he looks great in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Nov 15, 2007 11:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bring back Muss!
We were 5-3 after 8 games last season.  ;)

by otis29 on Nov 15, 2007 10:36 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
I still haven't lost faith in Reggie but as a former player he should know better than anyone that bringing in a castoff with a rep for being mentally soft and giving him big minutes he hasn't earned over guys who were busting their asses and playing well wasn't going to be a popular decision.  Guys are willing to swallow a bench role with fewer minutes for a Nash or CP3 but Beno Udrih?
Damn you Robert Horry!!!

by chupacabra on Nov 15, 2007 11:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
This is an extremely astute observation...well said sir.

by otis29 on Nov 15, 2007 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No One Wants to Hear About Your 97th Tear
Thanks.. Would be like Jerry Reynolds coming into the locker room and saying, "hey Reggie, you've been playing great but we just picked up Rory Sparrow off of waivers and he is going to start and oh yeah take a lot of your minutes..."
Damn you Robert Horry!!!

by chupacabra on Nov 15, 2007 11:58 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to Sactown Royalty, the best community of Sacramento Kings fans in the universe. That's not my opinion; it's scientific fact.
Start posting about the Kings »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

200751153242283_small
That was then...
Spaceshaolinninja_small
NCAA Hoops Preview from the Kings' Perspective
Zebulon_small
Jason Thompson, Foul Machine
Eastern_logs_small
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly Week 3
Old_logo_gif_small
Pookeyguru's Salary Cap FAQ

Recent FanPosts

Eastern_logs_small
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly Week 4
Tyreke_yahoo_small
The League is Catching Up to Jason Thompson
Small
Spencer Hawes's failing grade
Small
Searching for a backup center
Small
If the Kings Lose Tonight it's All My Fault...
S5000963_small
Break Down of New Possible Trade
___small
Kings Remain Active in Trade Talks

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Local Sponsors


Editor

Loofie_small Ziller

Joe_kleine_small section214

Associate Editor

Coachie_small rbiegler

Authors

Banana2_small Exhibit G