The Beno Question
I looked over TZ's Beno Udrih poll this morning. Very simple. So why have I did I have so much trouble coming to a conclusion, and why did I almost immediately second guess my decision (I chose 6th man)?
Beno Udrih is quite possibly the most intriguing King of the moment. We know that our future will have Kevin Martin and Spencer Hawes in it, and it won't have Mike Bibby or (most likely) Ron Artest. But what say ye about Beno?
Had we drafted Udrih we would be calling for ROY right now. And while he is a 3rd year man he really does not have a ton of experience. For all of our disdain for some of GP's recent free agent acquisitions, we sure have to be thrilled with this deal, right? As I had mentioned in an earlier thread, had Petrie pulled off a draft day deal that brought Udrih here for a future 2nd round pick we would really love him right now. Well, we have him and we didn't even have to give up a pick.
And the offense looks much better when he is on the floor. The team assist numbers are better (though still not good), and the ball movement is getting better and better. So maybe I want to change my vote and make him my PG of the present and future.
But I am really intigued by Derrick Rose, and to a lesser extent O.J. Mayo. So is that the rub? I like Beno but he's not a franchise changer like the above mention duo could be?
So then where do I place Udrih amongst next year's prospects? I don't like him as much as Mayo or Rose but do I like him better than Darren Collison? Jarreyd Bayless? Ty Lawson? Does having Udrih enable me instead to set my sights on a big guy like Michael Beasley? Darrell Arthur? Roy Hibbert?
In the end, I could go in any direction on this question. Perhaps the answer will be clearer in a couple of months, after I have seen the best and worst of Beno. But I don't want to wait a couple of months. I want to know now. I am counting on my fellow StR brethren to shed some light upon me and show me the way. Kusian, Otis, pookey, dalt, murph, kingme, kingme18, Brother Hedo, Identity916, Carl, Rhonnda, Mityt, OBB, cdoggy, louis, and all the rest of you (and even you, TZ), please help me in my time of indecision and enlighten me with your intelligent and informed points of view (or just make something up and lob it in here anyway).
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I know its a bit early, but onto the upcoming year and where we may turn in the draft, especially if Beno continues to improve. Rose and Mayo seem to be "cant miss talents" who Petrie would HAVE to take, regardless of Beno's performance the rest of the year. However, As of right now (I know its early and there is alot of hoops to be played) the Kings better start looking Beasley's way. The Kings havnt had an athletic big since Pre-Injury Webber and thats exactly what were missin
by Hoops916 on Nov 27, 2007 9:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by kingme on Nov 27, 2007 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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There's a lot of college and pro basketball to be played, of course, but it helps get us in the right frame of mind about this player (or these players) in looking to the summer.
by Ziller on Nov 27, 2007 9:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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I jumped up in the middle of my lab and did a dance, and would have flipped if certain knee, back and ankle ailments hadn't made it then-currently impossible.
C'mon, this is a guy Popovich was grooming to be his second guard - his guy off the bench, the guy that would be Parker and Ginobli combined. Sure, Pop gave up on him, but I always thought the poor play was a result of not being given the playing time to be able to find his own role, of which Pop has a noted history in doing with lesser rookies (see: James "Flight" White and Luis "I now rock with the Rockets" Scola).
I strongly disfavor the "home-grown" versus "brought-in" talent analysis - all our talent has been brought in. Name a player outside of Kevin-Garcia-Williams-Shawes (aka, the new kids on the block) worth talking about in our recent history that was homegrown: Peja. That's it. Bibby, Artest, Miller, Webber, Vlade, Christie, everyone came from someplace else. Sactown was the place players came to and realized was home, not the place players were drafted into and
As for Douby's necessary regression for Beno's success, that doesn't bother me much either. Douby was never a point guard, maybe having another real point on the roster will let him flower into the tweener waiting inside.
Your concerns about him not being a game-changer can't be the reason for you not being super-gung-ho for him: no one on our roster is a game-changer (save for a miraculously-motivated Ron-Ron). Hell, very few people in the league are gamechangers.
Though, you do bring up a great question, I can't wait to here what everyone else has to say.
by iashwash on Nov 27, 2007 9:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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I like the fact that you're excited about Beno and it has me thinking why the hell not? Why can't he be that guy? Why not get excited about him? It would be awesome if he turns out to be good/great, and we don't have anything invested in him if he winds up only fair.
by section214 on Nov 27, 2007 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Kusian on Nov 27, 2007 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by pookeyguru on Nov 27, 2007 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Bottom line, Beno has potential but as now constructed as a player he might not be the best fit. IF he can learn the system (whatever that may be), improve his skills and decision making, and continue to shoot well then why not? He is cheaper and just as productive as Mike. It just seems wierd comparing MB10 and Udrih but there you go. Bibby is not part of the Kings future at his current price tag so you have to assume Udrih is. Who woulda thunk that we'd be talking about Beno a month ago...sheesh.
by Mityt on Nov 27, 2007 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by thekangarooster on Nov 27, 2007 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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The question is can Beno become the clutch, consistent shooter that Mike has been throughout his career (last year notwithstanding.) Mike can still win a game by himself with his shooting prowess. That's something not too many guys can do. Certainly, I don't think that Beno can - at least, not at this point.
by Kusian on Nov 27, 2007 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Hoops916 on Nov 27, 2007 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Re-read what I wrote. I never said Beno was superior or the second-coming. But I do know basketball, and Beno has better true point guard skills.
by Kusian on Nov 27, 2007 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by section214 on Nov 27, 2007 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by otis29 on Nov 28, 2007 5:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I look at Beno right now and watch what he's given this team and with out him on the floor we are 2-4, with him at the point we are 3-4. I know it's not a huge difference but I don't think we win against San Antonio or Detroit without him. If he was ready to play against Cleveland we would have won. Without him we got blown out by the Suns. Some of his early losses I figure have to relate to not understanding his teammates and coach completely. I expect him to become very consistent but if he does this we could very well be out of the Rose conversation. I'm not saying we're gonna make the playoffs but we definitely won't be the worst team in the division. Time will tell.
Regardless of what happens he's my highlight of the year. I'm going to watch Beno and Martin(chin up son!), and everyone else will either rise to the excitement or frustrate the hell out of me.
Last note: JUSTIN WILLIAMS IS MAKING MORE MONEY THAN BENO! How many players in this league are doing what he is for $600K? If we pay Moore $5Mill for 3 years, can't we do the same for Beno?
by tokyo on Nov 27, 2007 10:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Beno is playing himself into a long term contract somewhere and unfortunately the Kings don't have Larry Bird rights to him so he would cost the Kings a portion of the mid-level exemption to keep. Let's keep our fingers crossed that the Kings can deal Bibby for Varejeo and an expiring Ira Newble contract. This deal would give the Kings the rebounder and shot blocker the desperate need and the space necessary to sign Beno or Artest to a long term deal while staying under the dreaded luxury threshold.
The Kings aren't going to be great but adding a stud like Varejeo would cure a lot of ills. With a strong draft they could be back on track a little quicker and definitely be in great shape during the great salary purge of 2010.
by jjham15 on Nov 27, 2007 10:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Mityt on Nov 27, 2007 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Hoops916 on Nov 27, 2007 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Mityt on Nov 27, 2007 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by NYCFan on Nov 27, 2007 10:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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on a dif note, it's actually been fun the last couple of games noticing, even if we lost the games, how hard this group plays out there. I dont remember exactly, but the Kings last year had already given up on Muss at this point right?
by joeytothelimit on Nov 27, 2007 10:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Kusian on Nov 27, 2007 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Michael Beasley on Nov 27, 2007 11:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Michael Beasley on Nov 27, 2007 11:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Ziller on Nov 27, 2007 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by pookeyguru on Nov 27, 2007 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by kingme on Nov 27, 2007 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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As far as the future the big college names have been mentioned (rose mayo beasley gordon) but other than that who really knows. My opinion now, and always has been, is that you acquire superstars through the draft. The days of signing Shaquille O'Neal for 120 cool one's are over.
by pookeyguru on Nov 27, 2007 12:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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None of our young talent are proven performers. Except maybe Kevin Martin. Though the only thing he has proven is his ability to score. We're hoping he transitions into a complete figure, but if he can't play comfortably out of his current style we may have to accept a 20 point 5 rebound performance, though I'm sure everyone is hoping with me this would be an extremely conservative estimate.
It's one month into the season, not really time to speculate on who can do what yet. After the all-star break we'll have better answers.
In terms of who seems to be developing well? Beno seems to do better as he gets more comfortable with the team. Is he our savior? Check back after the all-star break.
Douby's minutes have been limited. I only hope he hasn't been given up on completely. Garcia seems to have the will to do whatever he wants, but unfortunately that gets in his way when there are better alternatives see last drive of trailblazers game
Watkins/Williams desperately need more minutes. Thankfully Hawes is getting some much needed minutes. Unfortunately I guess there just aren't enough minutes to give out. Trade Reef/thomas for some draft picks or something, I don't know what else to say... Let the younger talent develop, and if it comes at the expense of some games at least we'll get a higher draft pick. The Free Williams post couldn't have been more on point. To me he seems to be a taller more agressive posting Artest...but maybe I'm just biased cause I really love his game.
This whole talk of lottery is starting to seem out of reach... check nba.com standings... there are a lot of teams worse off than us, though it's not entirely impossible to end with a good pick. With that said if we are willing to take a step back if it could even be considered that... by letting our younger bigs develop at the expense of losing the older ones, we may give up enough games to be a lottery team.
Quick synopsis since my thoughts are all over the place blame my boss for making me the office barista.
Team has players with MAJOR potential, Beno, Garcia, Williams specifically. The team may have some other great talent we aren't very aware of Hawes, Watkins, Douby in this category.
Some people just need to be let go for one reason or another Reef to a team that can appreciate him, and Thomas to the d-league if I had my way. Finally some people we can never really figure out because of all the trade-rumors Bibby, Miller, Artest.
I didn't even mension salmons and mikki, but I would like to see them stick around assuming mikki's butterfingers lose their grease. We will need some sort of veteran presence/leadership on the floor no matter how young we go. Which is why I still miss Corliss Williamson.
Did I forget any thing? I did go way off topic...either way back to work I go, maybe I'll edit this entire post later when my head is clear of outside distractions.
by dkons21 on Nov 27, 2007 12:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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As far as your post there is alot of good stuff to chew on.
- Forget Trading K9--banish him to wearing civvies forever
- Trade Reef to Orlando
- Trade Mikki to Charlotte
- Trade Mike to ?????
- Trade Ron to NY
With regards to Beno you have to give it time. There's a reason you signed the guy for the minimum. Let that answer sort itself out. It will.
I'm not sure I'd agree Garcia has major potential. But he has plenty. But most NBA players have potential, which is why they're in the league, and most on any given night can play like all-stars. The problem, as always, is consistency. The epicenter of all issue's I suppose.
by pookeyguru on Nov 27, 2007 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by DB on Nov 27, 2007 1:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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I remember being pissed off about how good San Antonio is/was when their recent draft pick (Beno) looked like he could also start for their team a year or two ago. That being said, I should be much more excited about his long-term potential for this team than I actually am. Maybe its because I was really really jacked up about getting Rose in the draft, and now with Beno making this team more complete, that seems to be a much more distant possibility than it was 2 weeks ago.
by CAB on Nov 27, 2007 2:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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As far as Rose we agree he is EXACTLY what this team needs. A Pass first PG who has all the abilities of a leader. Yep, that's the ticket. He's big probably could be in the same mold as Deron Williams. Can you go wrong with that given how few players on this group have such poor instincts in giving the ball up?
by pookeyguru on Nov 27, 2007 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by section214 on Nov 27, 2007 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Kfan in Korea on Nov 27, 2007 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Early returns on Hawes have me hopeful that we are in good shape at C.
We are currently set at SF, but you have to assume Artest will opt out. That leaves Garcia and an older Salmons. I think that is at least a Doug Christie level 5th starter.
So, as we all know our biggest needs are PF and PG. I think Beno gives us the flexibility to focus on the PF 1st(Artest to NY for Lee anyone?)
Trade Artest and Bibby before the deadline for expiring contracts, draft picks and hopefully a young PF. Then you're lookin at a young lineup of Beno, Martin, Garcia, (Lee/Ty Thomas/?) and Hawes.
At draft time you can take the best guy/guys available. Let gel for a year or two til the hydra comes off the books and sign a stud vet where ever we are weakest to put us over the top.
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 27, 2007 4:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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In the poll, I chose the `Yes, he's our PG of the future'. I honestly thought I was the only one crazy enough to select this but was pleasantly surprised that 32% of you guys agreed with me. Yes, Mayo and Rose are very interesting prospects but if ever we do get the number #1 pick, Beasley should be our guy. Beno, from time to time, has showed that he can run our team. His last game clearly showed that he can be special especially if motivated. A player who averages 15 5 5 is, for me, a borderline all-star. Beno is averaging 14.5 3 and 4.4. For someone who was never a full-time starting PG and who's on a team that has yet to find its identity, those numbers are pretty good (Bibby's career avg is 16.8 3.3 6.2 and he's a lottery pick!). He may have not played valuable minutes as a Spur but there is no doubt in my mind that he has learned a lot from Pop (plus he plays Tony and co. in practice). How the Spurs thought Vaughn or undrafted Darius Washington was a better backup PG option is beyond me. Let's face it, aside from Mike, he is the best PG on our team. We should all know by now that Douby and Garcia at PG is a horrible idea, I'd rather start Salmon than them. In fact, if I had to choose between Douby and Beno, I'd sign Beno in a heartbeat. Plus, he's only 25 years old! (Heck, Josh Howard is already 27 years old). Now let me ask you guys a question, assuming we lose Mike and Ron in the near future, which is more bearable 1) having Beno as your starting PG with Beasley and Hawes as your twin towers or 2) paring up Kev with Rose or Mayo with our Hydra manning the PF position? Regardless of whether Beasley is still available or not, we really should draft another big in this draft unless Mayo or Rose is available of course.
by kingme on Nov 27, 2007 5:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by pookeyguru on Nov 28, 2007 3:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by kingme on Nov 28, 2007 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by section214 on Nov 27, 2007 5:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Beno seems to have good, but not great talent at the p.g. at this point.One could argue that there are more talented options out there for the King's future.
but as someone who's seen alot of talented people(in my case, musicians)who never could realize their great potential because they:
1)Could never focus enough to gain the discipline to let their talents manifest, or;
2)Couldn't get their heads out of their asses long enough to get out of their own way & let things develop naturally;
I have to say I like how Beno has responded to the pressure of the situation. What seperates a good player from a great one isn't just talent; it's the right mental attitude.Score one for Beno in that direction.
(Note to Beno:Now live up to that. I don't like to be prooved wrong, dang it. )
by Rhondda Nunes on Nov 27, 2007 5:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Beno is a good ballhandler, decent passer and is a better pure point guard than anyone else on the team. Beno's shot seems inconsistent, but Bibby has the same problem.
Beno shoots too much and isn't terribly quick. Beno looks to me like a starter on a bad team and a bench guy on a decent squad. Unlike most of the other folks here, I DON'T think you spend the MLE re-signing him. Beno is a three year, $12 million (total) level player at this point in his career.
Someone mentioned Anderson Varejao. I'll give you two sets of numbers from 2006-2007. You tell me which are Varejao's and which came from our own Kenny Thomas.
a) 23.9min .476fg% 2.4orb 6.7rb 6.8ppg 0.6bpg
b) 22.9min .482fg% 2.2orb 6.1rb 6.1ppg 0.3bpg
I'm not saying Varejao is as bad as K9, but those numbers are way, way too close to spend ANY money on Varejao.
by Carl on Nov 27, 2007 7:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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In terms of MLE, we don't have even close to enough date to make a determination at this point. To say yea or nay at this point is just kinda silly.
Getting back to Nash, though; let's not forget at year 3 people thought he was a bust.
by Kusian on Nov 27, 2007 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by kingme on Nov 27, 2007 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Like what I said earlier, we reward Moore and Salmons with the MLE and yet tell Beno to take 12 mil for 3 years or else go look for another team that will give you that money? I'm sure a lot of teams that need help at the PG position would jump at the opportunity of acquiring him (e.g. Clippers)
by kingme on Nov 27, 2007 8:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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That brings me to my next point. With a high pick don't you have to take an athletic big(PF)?? To me that's Sac's BIGgest weakness. A big, 6'9+ (isn't Beasley too shortish-6'7?), athletic, tough, defensive, rebounding, shot blocking, rebounding, shot blocking, rebounding..oh sorry, I was getting excited..power forward! I sure wish we could see Justin Williams or even Watkins enough to know what we have there. If they are breakout worthy like Udrih?/or Udrih?/and Udrih?, it reveals alot about what kind of draft pick Sac needs.
So? Who knows? When the time comes I hope it's all as clear as possible for Petrie. For now, I think Sac's safer with Udrih and ?(insert solid veteran/youngster PG from trade here) at the point than with hydra at cower backward. [Sorry to whoever trademarked the ingenious "cower forward"] So I'm following the college bigs unless we trade for..um, Okafor?
If you guys think Rose will go in the top...what, top three picks and Sac gets in there...OH MY! Can you imagine the pressure?!
by busybe on Nov 27, 2007 9:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Only 8 games into Beno's first season with the Kings, it's way too early to say if he's going to be the franchise PG for the future. I will say that he is the best PG we have had since Bibby and Bobby Jackson and probably (amazingly) the BEST "pure" point guard the Kings have had in a long while. He runs the team very well and is pretty good on the fast break. I would still rather have Mayo or Rose but if we don't get them, he may be the future PG. Time will tell. He is still young. If you look at the stats for Steve Nash in his first three seasons per 40 minutes, Beno is doing just about as good and Steve was a starter in his third season. Beno is no Nash, but he could keep improving each season to become the "Future" point guard for the Kings.
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