Game 67 - at Atlanta
The super-long and detailed game threads take a lot of time. The team is teetering on the brink of vacation, so it doesn't exactly behoove me to spend lots of energy and time telling you all about Zaza Pachulia and Josh Smith.
So unless a winning streak delivers some tenacity in the playoff surge, the game threads will exist in a more casual, unstructured sense.
Atlanta does almost nothing well. Their "strength" is forcing turnovers, and they are tied for 7th in the league in that category. Otherwise, the offense is terrible thanks to incredibly bad shooting, the defensive rebounding is nonexistant, and they give up a lot of free throws (26.5 per 100 FGAs - slightly better than Orlando's 28.6).
Of course, the Kings' calling card has been drawing fouls, led by Kevin Martin. Speed is #6 in foul-drawing among guards this season, behind Corey Maggette, Steve Francis, Chauncy Billups, Dwyane Wade, and Andre Iguodala. But John Salmons, Ron Artest, Shareef Abdur-Rahim and Mike Bibby all draw fouls better than average for their positions as well, providing tons of charity ammunition for an above-average FT shooting team.
Sacramento's other strengths? Protecting the ball and forcing turnovers. During that five-game slide into Bolivian, the Kings coughed the ball up 91 times while their opponents suffered from 77 turnovers. Against Orlando, the Kings had nine turnovers to the Magic's 18.
The Kings mediocre shooting percentages, coupled with their inability to stop the opponent from shooting at a high clip, make turnovers a big, big issue. When you can't outshoot your opponent (like the Kings could earlier this decade), you have to get more shots off. Without a stud offensive rebounder who gets playing time, that means winning the turnover battle.
The Kings are 3.5-point favorites. I think Speed should be able to exploit Atlanta's mediocre backcourt and get to the line. If Bibby has another bad night, well then I just don't know. Hopefully Shareef will get the start again - no ill wishes to the in-pain Kenny Thomas, but there's no one in a Hawks jersey who can guard Reef. The Kings should attack the post with Artest and Reef often, and let Martin operate on Josh Childress and Salim Stoudemire. Salmons has played well lately, and he's better than any Hawks sub.
On talent, the Kings are much better (even if Joe Johnson were healthy). If they can execute at even 75%, this should be a win and an easy cover.
(Of course, 75% is a lot to ask.)
Game at 4. (This is the last weekday game that starts before 5, a nice note for those of us who work.)
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Re: Game 67 - at Atlanta
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bring on the lottery!
may danny ainge be punished with the fourth pick for spending time with kevin durants family
by CrownUs93 on Mar 19, 2007 3:21 PM PDT reply actions
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by CrownUs93 on Mar 19, 2007 6:22 PM PDT reply actions
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http://www.sactownroyalty.com/story/2007/3/14/16549/4812#commenttop
by pyro on Mar 20, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
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by pyro on Mar 20, 2007 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Chris The Greek on Mar 20, 2007 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
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It's almost as bad when zaza pachulia drops 20+ on you.
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That's because YOU CAN'T
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Now just because a guy brings you a nice resume doesn't mean he's worth a shit. Muss does not have the coaching skills to make up for a lack of talent and the talent level on this team is marginal at best.
We have no rebounders, no shot blockers and we are not athletic at all. If you want to blame someone for this team you have to blame Petrie.
The Maloofs stepped in and nixed the Bibby trade to the Lakers but personally I fail to see how that trade made us better even in the least. Kwame Brown, Farmar and a late first rounder is junk. Thank God the Maloofs stepped in.
Now saying all of this I believe the Maloofs should be blamed for allowing the relationship with Rick Adeleman to deteriorate. I blame them for the Ron Artest debacle and I will blame them if Petrie leaves.
If Adeleman was still here I guarantee we would be the 7th seed, Muss has cost us a lot of games with his moronic moves and lack of adjustments.
Artest is like Webber, Vernon Maxwell, Jim Jackson, Bonzi Wells etc., etc., etc. How were the Maloofs to know he would be the one to finally make the franchise look bad. Remember, there was like 10 other teams willing to give up major talent for Artest.
If we lose Petrie, even with the mistakes he has made recently then I think we should burn the Maloofs at the stake.
Sometimes new hires don't work out. Hiring people isn't a perfect science and the Maloofs have picked a stinker. What will make or break these guys as owners is how quickly they rectify this situation and how they handle the Petrie situation going forward.
We just got embarrassed by Atlanta, Muss has made the decision really easy.
by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Mar 19, 2007 10:58 PM PDT reply actions
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First item: I dont know if Muss got a raw deal in GS. He did have arenas & dampier on a final deal to coach. That is something to work with. Even if hibachi zero wasnt on the level he's currently at. I dont know how much working for mike fratello helped him or not. Fratello got canned for losing his players this season. Also ive never hired/fired anybody. But i know that running a nba team is not like running other business'. You dont do things the way you would run a beer distributorship, casino etc etc etc.
2nd item: I didnt say musselman deserves all the blame or even most of the blame. This isnt a team that takes advantage of what he does. I think the team would be best to part ways. It's clear he doesnt have an elixir to brad miller being permanently grounded. Again this comes back to the maloof's. Noone realistically expects muss to be able to coax athleticism or speed out of miller,bibby etc etc etc.
3rd item: He deserves to get fired for the way he's handled this team this season. Handling artest with kid gloves is not a smart way to go. He never drew a boundry. This team looks confused on the court & i think that is a byproduct of a mismatched group from the coaching staff to the group that is on the court.
4th item: Geoff Petrie does deserve some blame. Part of a good relationship between a coach & owners is on the management buffer between them. I'm pretty sure ,though, that Geoff can only take that buffer so far. Rick can be surly & difficult for sure and anyone will tell you that when they've tried to interview him. The problem is they really believe (naively from my view) that coaching makes a great difference in playing defense. Eh not with mike bibby on your team. Ive said for years including when this blog was newish that mike bibby was an awful defender. I still maintain he's 1 of the 5 worst. Anyway the problem that as I see it with the maloofs is they are trying to be a mark cuban'ish' owners. But as ive said many times they should settle for listening to their basketball people. They dont understand personnel like cuban does (they dont have his success or failure @ it...well maybe the failure...but not the success either...the kings greatest assest's belong to petrie)and frankly have a different set of circumstances. Cuban has a much bigger market and more money to spend too. He likes attending the games & so do the brothers. The comparisons end there.
5th Item: Artest is very different from most of the players you mentioned really. Mad max was a 1 year option. So was bonzi wells in my humble opinion. In fact 1 of these days im gonna do a bonzi vs johnny post. I think webber's problems were more locational than anything. Being a star in a place like sacramento balanced many of his quirks. Ron-Ron is not like any of these guys. He has personal problems that stem his ability to focus. I'm not sure comparing any of those guys to each other has much to be learned in a comparison.
Last but not least the lesson is that petrie is still the biggest asset this organization has. Not everybody likes every move he makes. But it says here that the maloofs would be wise to step back & listen to Geoff. I have had arguments with a few unwise kingsfans who swear up & down that geoff was hired in 1995. The reality isnt simply so but they go onto hoopshype and they see thats when, according to hoopshype, he was hired. It doesnt matter if thats the reality or not. I think thats what happened to the maloofs. They heard comments from hubie brown about jason williams playing defense because he demanded it. That mike bibby played defense because he demanded it. Well the reality is that demanding defense wont get it. Jason williams' defense didnt improve in memphis. He simply funneled guys into the shot blockers memphis had. That isnt better defense. Thats simply a different focus on how to play basketball. No one will ever confuse hubie brown for rick adelman or vice versa. Unfortunately, for the maloofs & us, they quite arent able to make these distinctions. I wish they could as they have the potential given their passion to create a truly top echelon franchise. That would be truly remarkable given over the course of time how few small franchises have been able to maintain an upper echelon status. They wont however achieve this if they are trying to compete with the cubans of the world for attention. They're Las Vegas guys who like glitz & glamour. They better learn the cow pasture just dont roll that way.
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We continue to deify Petrie as if he can do no wrong. If this roster (and make no mistake, this roster is awful) and coaching staff is fully the result of the Maloofs meddling, then Petrie either has to make a better case to his ownership for his own ideas or he should have taken a walk prior to signing his last extension.
Every interview I've heard with Petrie indicates he is on board with the Maloofs. He is the GM, so he has to take some blame for what's going on here, as do the Maloofs, the coaching staff and the players. Nobody gets a pass, IMO.
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So forget about hard evidence. How about any evidence other than whispered rumors in the Sac Bee? I'd like to know how anyone knows that the Maloofs have made these decisions without the support of Geoff Petrie.
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If the only challenge you have to me is that you dont like my opinion than dont comment otis. Since you clearly like to say my opinion has little fact behind it. I dont have a malacious feeling toward the maloofs. I am tired of the 'woe is me' act they keep putting on cuz they cant get a new arena. They're part of the blame so far not part of the solution. However thats not even part of why i think they're bad owners. I just think they dont quite get it. Spending money & caring about your team does not equate to making good basketball decisions.
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I have a damn hard time believing that - there is nobody in this franchise above blame for the crap we saw on the court last night. It's a result of mistakes by the ownership, the GM, the coaching staff, and the players.
So yes, I will admit that the Maloofs have made some mistakes, but that doesn't make them bad owners. I'm not ready to throw that tag on them over one missed playoff appearance.
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That statement 'shades of gray' really applys here i do think. How much involvement & blame does petrie get for some of this? Well as much as he deserves. If its clear how much blame he deserves well then i will say it. If i knew exactly what to blame petrie for well then id point the finger @ him.
Here's part of the problem. It's hard to tell owners that they're doing something wrong. For anybody and im sure Geoff is in that boat somewhat. The maloofs do own the kings & may not want to hear that the kings biggest issues to date revolve primarily around contract negotiations. I know miller has dropped off dramatically in production but thats my point. When hammering out that deal you might have to take that into consideration that a guy's career might get altered in the middle of it. I'm not sure the maloofs understand that. Otis look @ who the highest paid & lowest paid players are. If you had to guess which did the negotiating (petrie the maloofs or both) id be curious to see what you thought.
Otis on a side note i would be curious to know who pulled that bonzi contract off the table. I want to know how that all went down. I have my theory & if you wish i will share it.
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So until I know that, I'm taking Petrie and the Maloofs at their word that they are a unified group. And if they are a unified group, they both deserve credit for the successes and blame for the failures.
I understand that you and I differ on how much an ownership should be involved in the decision making process, and that is always going to color our thought process on who is to blame for the current state of the team. Since it's highly unlikely either of us will change our opinion on that topic, we should probably just agree to disagree and move on.
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On the C Webb trade i would like to find WHY somebody thinks that didnt help the kings. Receiving the poodle in return is not a good enough reason from where i stand.
The bonzi deal is totally a miffer otis & im with you on that. It's hard to figure out who's doing what. It protects petrie to a degree and it protects the maloofs to a degree.
I'll be honest as to why i think the maloof's decision making is unsound. There's precedent for it. Sure petrie was involved in getting miller as he was a guy who fit that system. The circumstances changed & the team is stuck with the bill. But i also think part of the problem is miller's contract. I dont think he's moveable if he was making 8 mil a year. But it would be easier to move him down the line.
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We absorbed 3 contracts, one of which continues on at 8+ million for another 3 years. So although the Kings freed themselves of Webbers 23 million for next season we are still stuck with an additional 16 or 17 million over the next 2 years for a player who is worth maybe 2-3 million.
The second flaw is that even if you purged the Webber contract we are still at the cap so....the Maloofs saved money but we as fans are stuck with a shitball team that can only at a 5 million dollar exemption player unless our point guard opts out of his contract.
We were better served letting Webber play out his deal and at the end of next season we could watch all 23 million go off the books, freeing up the 8 million that we will be paying K. Thomas.
The original plan was to break Webbers deal into more manageable and easier to trade pieces. But those pieces are still here (Potapinko=Skinner).
In conclusion............I would have liked to have seen the Kings with Webber, Artest, K-Mart and Bibby. We would probably still be a 45 win team with a whole lot of cap space on the horizon. Instead we are in pretty bad shape for the next few years.
by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Mar 21, 2007 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
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Also i think you forget a couple things. This team could have won 45 games without webber had things broken their way right. If musselman worked out, if bibby didnt get hurt or artest didnt go wiggy. I think youre assuming things that cant necessarily be assumed. Also paying luxury tax for a 45 win team doesnt make much sense to me as a fan. It's a waste of money and makes the maloof's less willing to spend money when the time is right.
Last but not least this team is in the position it's in part because of the bad contracts to webber,bibby & miller. As good as chris could have been keeping him would have not been worth it. Also if you think Brad is unathletic what is Chris? I'm also not sure the kings could have gotten a better deal. At the time kenny thomas had the worse contract of the guys Sac received. Philly didnt want him and in truth the kings no longer wanted webber @ his salary. You may wish as a fan that money doesnt matter however when you have to pay it youre view might change. Paying luxury tax for a 45 win team with a group who once contended for a ring isnt necessarily wise to go with it still.
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I don't know that you should be questioning my assumptions with your own assumptions. There are a considerable amount of could haves and ifs in your response.
The Maloofs have plenty of money to spend. They signed the contract, they promise a winner and they charge out the ass for tickets, parking and concessions.
For the money I donate to watch from the stands the last thing I want to hear is that not paying the luxury tax was more important than winning games.
Since these bastards (The Maloofs) signed the new TV deal they have tightened up the purse strings and produced a very questionable product.
by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Mar 21, 2007 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
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Hollinger mentions potapenko but not J-Will. I guess he remains only on kings fans radar. That will change. J-Will has the tools to make it in this league. My guess is that his attitude is commensurate.

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