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The sounds of last summer.

I found the .mp3s I saved from 1140 Grant & Mike of Rick, Joe and Elston the days after the firing and the pre-Muss hire. Pretty wild stuff.

I'm re-listening to the audios today. Here are some transcript quotes from Rick's interview about blame in the SA series and how it relates to players tuning out the coach. Grant brought up Mike wandering around during a critical timeout before he blew an assignment on Barry:

"I think it is just an excuse when things go bad. There is no way Mike did not know what we were doing. I mean I know I told everybody and I called them together before they went out again and told them again. We've gone through that situation time after time. If guys are going to make mistakes, if a guy makes a physical mistake, you know like, what about the Dallas game the other night when Stackhouse got that ball and (player?) almost stole it? I mean should he have driven to the basket? Hell yes he should have driven to the basket! They were only down 2. And he had a wide open look at it, he's athletic and a great freethrow shooter but he drives to the corner and basically ends the game for them. Now is that Avery Johnson's fault? I don't think so. You have to trust players are going to make the right decisions. Sometimes it just doesn't happen. And, I think the coach has some responsibility for that but if that is going to be the reason that something happens for a long term event, ya know, I just find that amazing. You know I don't know what else we could have done. You know that's a game we weren't even supposed to be in. Now, it's as hard on me as it is still hard on me that we didn't win that game cuz who knows what could have happened. It's hard on me we didn't win the 5th game where we gave up 5 straight layups. I mean, that's on me too as a coach but I think there's a, it's an equal blame thing. I think everybody is in it together. When someone makes a mistake you all have to bear the brunt of it."

About coaching your team:
"You have to go with what you can do for your players. How do you make them better? How do you make them work as a team? That's what I did. It's easy for somebody to say, like Mike Dantony now, what's he supposed to do? Stress a half court game and the defense? No. That's not who they are. He's gonna win a lot of games. Maybe he won't win a Championship, but i'm sorry, it's all about in this league winning with the team you have. And if I had a really good defensive team, it's funny, when we got Ron everyone said we became a better defensive team, I guess that's the day we started teaching defense (laugh). I mean it's just ludacris. I mean, we're coaches. I mean I have a Hall of Fame coach on my staff, I have two guys who are great defensive players, you know three of four years ago we had the best defensive team in the league statistically. So what is it that you are talking about? That we don't stress it? No. It's just that that's the type of team we have. I'm sorry, but if you want a good defensive team here in Sacramento - then get defensive players. I mean it's as simple as that. I can't say it any simpler. And if the Maloofs want that, then go ahead and get defensive players. If they think it is just so simple to get a bunch of guys who are offensive players, who their strength isn't at that other end, and you're suddenly going to make them something they arn't? You're kidding yourself. I mean you are you, you gotta be kidding yourself. I just find that, it's something that, what you don't have then that's what you need to do. If you have a coach who is a disciplinarian, get a player's coach. If you have a player's coach, get a disciplinarian. That's how it works in this league. You have people just jump all over the place. I think what it comes down to, a successful coach in this league with talent, is they take the team, they take the strengths and they get them to go with those strengths. And they win. And I mean, that's what I tried to do."

It goes on. If you guys want to hear the interviews I will get them to TZ or louis to post or figure out how to post mp3s. Good stuff looking back and seeing what we have now.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Re: The sounds of last summer.
Great post, pyro.

Adelman's rant about a coach working with what he's got puts Musselman's reign in perfect perspective, actually. Muss has not maximized this team's strengths at all. It doesn't help that the team has two stars who function best in a high-post motion offense (Bibby, Miller) and two who would probably work better in a draw-and-kick system (Martin, Ron). Talent is part of the problem, but Muss certainly hasn't played to its strengths.

by Ziller on Mar 20, 2007 2:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
TZ @ the time i didnt pay much attention to all of the comments made by rick or you. I wish i had. I think we are seeing the beauty of a kevin martin manifest itself. He was fine in a motion system cuz he can play without the ball. But he's also good in a draw & kick system that can take advantage of his athleticism. It's very clear that k-mart is the best  players of this group & the only franchise level talent. I think adelman knew it too & was waiting for the time to incorporate plays that would hark to kevin's strengths. He wasnt as comfortable this time last year putting the ball on the floor. He has found his niche & good on him. This post by pyro only intensifies my belief the maloofs believe in things that dont exist.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 20, 2007 8:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
Pyro i didnt listen to the interview as i knew all that stuff already. Im not a know it all i just didnt want to listen to rick rant & rave. He earned that right. Im just glad that cowpoke passion wont let this be forgotten as the same team with musselman basically quit. This team has mis matched talent as TZ eloquently points out but this team had mis matched talent last year too. Whats the excuse for them winning 43 games?
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 20, 2007 2:36 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
In my infinite insanity of snobbery i forgot to thank you for the transcription. Thank you very much pyro.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 20, 2007 2:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
I just thought of something. Could rick be construed as a defensive genius for having a team lead the league in FG% allowed with mike bibby on the roster?
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 20, 2007 2:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
Mike wasn't always this bad. He was at least a bit quicker back in 2002 and 2003. And he had Doug Christie next to him to take the real backcourt threat, so he was often guarding the worst opponent wing.

by Ziller on Mar 20, 2007 4:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
He did try harder i will admit. And yes having DC13 made a little bit of difference.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 20, 2007 5:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
I think Rick's comments on Dantony (sp?) speak volumns. I can't even imagine what would happen if Shawn Marion and Steve Nash were told, "This season Steve, you rebound more. Shawn, we need more assists from you. Welcome to the Kings!" Yikes!
He's pesky I tell ya.

by pyro on Mar 21, 2007 1:51 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
Yeah, D'Antoni's strength is that he was given the exact talent he needed for his system.

by Ziller on Mar 21, 2007 7:19 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
An interesting sidebar to that is bryan colangelo now being gone for almost a year & a half. I'm interested to see how that plays out long term for both the phoenix suns & the toronto craptors.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 21, 2007 6:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
A belated thanks for posting this. It's very interesting.
Kings-obsessed. A's obsessed. More ramblings: louisgray.com

by louismg on Mar 21, 2007 7:24 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
I'm glad you guys liked it! After transcribing more (work is slow) my manfriend came in and said, "Linking to the files would be so much easier." Me, "Duh! So do it for me!" : ) I'm so girl sometimes.

May 10, 2007 - Rick #1

May 10, 2007 - Rick #2

May 10, 2007 - Rick #3

May 10, 2007 - Rick #4

May 11, 2007 - Elston

May 11, 2007 - Joe

He's pesky I tell ya.

by pyro on Mar 21, 2007 2:12 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
Umm i got a question. If you arent a girl what are you supposed to be? The loch ness monster?
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 21, 2007 3:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
I have now listened to the entire rick adelman tapes pyro. Thank you very much for this. And i change my mind about the kings potentially winning in 04 without webber. I didnt know b52's shoulder was fucked up. That changed things.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 21, 2007 6:41 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
"The Rick Adelman Tapes." Sounds like a Pearl Jam bootleg. Awesome.

I'm going to listen to these today... could make for an interesting subject with regards to this season's progression. Pyro is awesome.

by Ziller on Mar 22, 2007 7:57 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
TZ, it is sweet to say I am awesome. Anywhere else I would be concidered a packrat. : )
He's pesky I tell ya.

by pyro on Mar 22, 2007 1:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
You're not a packrat if the stuff is valuable pyro :)
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 22, 2007 4:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
TZ the most interesting stuff i found was the brad miller shoulder injury in 04 (that i dont remember..im curious to know if it was ever reported) and that brad doesnt come into shape in training camp. That seems to me yet another fact the ma'goofs' overlooked.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 22, 2007 4:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
That seems to me yet another fact the ma'goofs' overlooked.

And Lord Petrie as well, right?

by otis29 on Mar 22, 2007 4:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
TZ i know ppl think im off the wall when it comes to the maloofs. But the part where joe scoffs about having defensive players....well thats part of the reason i criticize the maloofs. I really think (given joe's response) that they dont entirely got how defense is played in the nba. Or how championships are won.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 22, 2007 4:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
I really think (given joe's response) that they dont entirely got how defense is played in the nba.

Or Lord Petrie either, right??

Yes, this is a recording...

by otis29 on Mar 22, 2007 4:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
Petrie being complicit in letting it happen doesnt mean he agreed with it. He deserves blame for not fighting it. But if you were him would you? Petrie doesnt put himself out there for this reason otis. The maloofs do. Oh im sorry i forgot. It's 'lord' petrie now.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 22, 2007 7:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
Ok i dont know why petrie has a stone face. I just know he's good @ it. Also i know that joe especially can be emotional and give alot of information in what he says. Gavin seems to be more of the stoic sort. I dont care about any of the others in the family. They dont show often in the public eye so im not worried about it. I just know lord petrie doesnt say much. I know joe says more. I know joe said ON THE AIR that having defensive players doesnt excuse lack of focus on defense.

Ive said it before & ill say it again. Having money & willing to spend it does not mean they are good owners in basketball decisions. Things that qualify are style of play and hiring coaches. Or maybe they dont. Maybe joe is right. Defense wins championships.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 22, 2007 7:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
Petrie being complicit in letting it happen doesnt mean he agreed with it.

How in the world do you know this? We've gone around in circles before, but at least be honest pookeyguru. You do think that every bad decision this franchise makes was made by the Maloofs and every good decision by Petrie.

It's amazing that their relationship has lasted this long being such a fractured pairing.

And yes, that was sarcasm.

by otis29 on Mar 22, 2007 7:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
Actually i think the real irony is they value petrie but didnt value adelman.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 22, 2007 8:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: The sounds of last summer.
Petrie makes questionable decisions all the time otis. Remember the 2001 draft? Gilbert Arenas Samuel Dalembert and Tony Parker were available. Petrie chose or the 'committee' wanted gerald wallace.

In 1999, petrie traded for Nick Anderson. How well did that turn out? That cost the maloofs ultimately an extra year of the ultra worthless brent price.

Petrie acquired jason hart last season. Did hart work out like anyone including petrie hoped? That cost the kings another year of hart as well.

Overall i like "Lord" Geoff Petrie's work. But along the way he has made mistakes that ultimately cost the maloofs money. Anderson's mistake was costly as the kings had to pay christie and anderson then brent price. They did this while paying the luxury tax. Were the kings better than? Yes they were. If anything i respect the maloofs for allowing that stuff to happen. However they were willing to spend money to allow Geoff to try and improve the team. Why such a short leash for rick adelman after a season that most could have done without? Why didnt Petrie get the ax too? After all they didnt need to extend Petrie in 2004 to the extra years.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 22, 2007 8:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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