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Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?

Now that Scott Brooks won't be with the Kings next year, the fun stuff comes out. From The Bee's Sam Amick:

The Kings contemplated firing Musselman, but Petrie -- as he would later say -- deemed it unfair to not let him finish at least one season. Brooks, meanwhile, privately boiled at Musselman's management of the team. The two did not speak for much of the season, and Brooks -- according to numerous sources -- did not approve of, among other things, the extent to which Musselman socialized with players on road trips.

There are, like, 20 things going on in this passage:
  1. Musselman went to strip clubs with Mike Bibby and Ron Artest? Wow.
  2. A lead assistant went three months without talking to 'his boss?' Wow.
  3. Geoff Petrie saw the need to be 'fair' to Musselman after said coach goes out and gets a DUI in preseason?
Amick found out about Terry Porter, too.
The candidate he was high on from the beginning -- Detroit assistant Terry Porter -- never received a serious look because of his ties to former Kings coach Rick Adelman and his association with the glory days in Portland. [...] Joe Maloof confirmed that Porter was on the original list, and The Bee learned during the coaching hunt that Porter even had a hotel reservation at the Maloofs' Palms Casino on June 3 that went unfilled.

This is where I call shenanigans on the Maloofs. 'This is Geoff's decision, except you can't hire this guy because he's friends with Adelman.' What the hell?

If Petrie had his way, Porter would have been hired two weeks ago. Instead, Porter didn't get an interview. Because of the Maloofs.

Petrie is not in control.

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Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
Petrie is not in control.

I agree, and it was pretty clear that Theus was another compromise choice from Petrie to the Maloofs.

To be honest, I'm not sure it's a huge deal - the coaching search was a crapshoot at best. The best candidate for the job (Brown) wanted control over some personnel decisions, which would be crazy for a team that has Petrie running the show. The rest of the list was littered with question marks, so having Theus in lieu of Brooks, Porter or Shaw doesn't really scare me.

The bigger question is, in my mind, whether Petrie can build a quality team for any coach not named Rick Adelman?

by otis29 on Jun 24, 2007 9:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
So whose Cheerios did TP pee in, Gavin or Joe's?  Maybe he forgot Mama Maloof's name while he was here, stole office supplies, who knows?  Given that there was no great candidate out there I have no problem with the Maloof's involvement on this one hire.  But does this mean they begin to over reach in regards to player personnel, too?  Yikes!  

by section214 on Jun 24, 2007 10:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
That's the problem. Because if Theus wins, the Maloofs get cocky again and start dabbling again. This is what happened after the Maloofs' trade for Artest -- the Maloofs thought they had it figured out.

Thus, the Musselman era.

by Ziller on Jun 24, 2007 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
That's why I'm not despondent YET. Until it seems that they meddle with Petrie's personnel moves I'll be on board with this. After that I'm done. The Maloof's can kiss my ass if they keep up their meddling.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2007 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
I have a friend(who shall remain anonymous)that gigs as one of the working musicians at the Palms. He claims that the REAL power, especially when it comes to the money, is Coleen Maloof & that her opinions are the ones most trusted by her sons....

(chew on that everyone...kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it?)

by Rhondda Nunes on Jun 25, 2007 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
The mama having the most power???? SHOCKING!
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2007 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
Brown would've no doubt wanted more control then either Petrie or the Maloofs would give up. There definitely seems to be a silent (loud) power struggle going on, and adding a strong third voice would be volatile.

by blah blah on Jun 24, 2007 10:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
I'll admit to never having fully understood the cult of Terry Porter. His unceremonious dumping with the Bucks, while certainly unfair, did come after a 30-52 season that's the second worst in franchise history. And while I acknowledge that said season's losses could be attributed in no small part to injuries (particularly T.J. Ford's)was it not injury rationalization that convinced most Front Office types Musselman deserved a second coaching chance? What does Porter have exactly? An overachieving .500 season and ties to Petrie from Portland. If the Maloofs felt their relationship with Porter would be contentious why pursue him? Why exacerbate the tensions of a few years ago? Particularly when the coach in question has a career that has been, at best, underwhelming and whose strongest selling point is his hypothetical blind faith in Petrie.

I'm no Maloof apologist. They set back the cause of progress with this team and in this town a good 2 years. But there's a difference between what happened last off season, when Petrie was deliberately and publicly undermined, and what has happened this off season, where the Maloofs, as is their right as owners, expressed an explicit dislike for one, and only one, candidate. If Petrie really wasn't in control we'd all be reading a glowing Voisin column about the beginning of the Larry Brown era in this morning's paper.

by rbiegler on Jun 24, 2007 10:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
A good point about Brown. But I'm not trying to say the Maloofs are in autonomous control... just that the control Petrie appeared to have in April/May was a mirage.

by Ziller on Jun 24, 2007 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
Crap. This is not good.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2007 10:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
The scary part is what if Theus AND Porter were guys that the Maloof's aren't comfortable with? Not only did Petrie NOT get his guy, he also simultaneously was left with scraps left over. The problem is the meddling. The other problem is the entire disconnection to Rick. TP coached under rick FOR ONE SEASON. He played under Rick. He played under Flip Saunders and Gregg Popovich too. Not to mention PJ Carleismo for that matter. Why are we going on & on about this? Does it really matter anymore? Oh, it matters because porter didnt GET AN INTERVIEW. That's why it matters. The shenanigans of the brothers need to stop if this franchise will move forward. This makes me ill to think Whisenant could be GM in a year. I wonder if the Maloof's presser was designed on their part to make it seem like Petrie had more of a hand in picking Theus than they did. It wouldn't surprise me. Families don't make a billion dollars cuz they stupid. Although with regards to these coaching searches it makes me wonder.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2007 10:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
I was wrong. He didnt play for PJ. Played for Pat Riley though.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2007 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
THIS IS FUCKING DISGUSTING!!!!  I CAN'T BELIEVE MY EYES AND EARS!  I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE THE MALOOFS NOW!  TO TOTALLY DISREGARD A COACHING CANDIDATE BECUASE HE PLAYED UNDER ADELMAN IN PORTLAND AND COACHED WITH HIM FOR ONE SEASON IS THE MOST ABSURD THING THAT I HAVE HEARD WITH THIS COACHING SEARCH!  I HAVE NO RESPECT ANYMORE FOR THE MALOOFS AND WHEN I GO TO KINGS GAMES THIS YEAR AND I SEE THEM THEIR, I WILL PERSONALLY GIVE THEM A SACTOWN ROYALTY SALUTE WITH MY MIDDLE FINGER!!!!!

with that off my chest, i have to say that the musselman stuff is incredible.  i never knew that he was so close to the players (and yet so far) that he actually went to strip clubs with them.  that is taking it way to far.  can you imagine your boss taking time off to go to a strip club with you.  that is disheartening to me to hear that about muss.  

when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??

by diehardkingsfan5 on Jun 24, 2007 11:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
I have more thoughts on this too. First I wonder why  the reservation went unused. Could it be Porter had his own reservations? This is clearly a team rebuilding, and after Porter's last go around, he might be wary of that.

I'm sure Adelman's connection played a part but I'm not sure that eliminted TP from getting an interview period. I don't think the circumstances of Porter were entirely known and I'm glad to see some clarification. I'm not displeased with Reggie Theus because I think Geoff had a strong hand in getting Reggie into the door. I also think that some things can be purely accidental when they don't seem that way. We won't know until years down the road. The real question I think, and have always felt regardless of who's coach, that the real power that Geoff has will be shown in who he can/can't trade.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2007 11:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
Another possibility comes to mind too. What if Petrie, knowing how the brothers think, sort of let this thing playing out knowing that his reputation isn't at stake here. What if He knew that Porter didn't want an interview because of the Kings being a rebuilding situation and let that part of the deal not be told. Geoff is a master at manipulating information and that is both in what he says to others as well as his dealings with Joe and Gavin. Joe and Gavin aren't complicated people. They are alot like us. Where as Petrie is not because he very much is a complicated sophisticated secret agent kind of guy. I wouldn't doubt that knowing this is planting the seed IN CASE theus fails that the public dismay would fall on the Brothers. Everybody here knows I think highly of Geoff. Everyone see's everything as the Brothers trying to manipulate the franchise in their vision. But knowing how others think allows them to be manipulated. I wouldn't doubt that the process, which hasn't seemingly effected the draft process that much seeing as how Geoff did alot of the interviews BEFORE Orlando anyway. I also think that I could be totally wrong but hey it's a gut feeling. There is no proof of this anyway.

Plus think about this for a moment. How many people on this site trust Amick in the information he gives? He's generally been straight forward and honest in his presentation hasn't he? Isn't it interesting that Amick wrote this piece ,and not Howard-Cooper, who often has these pieces full of holes? I just think it's interesting the whole weight of the scenario rather than just one aspect. On the surface there seems to be the underlying theme of the Maloof's seizing control. Underneath it seems something entirely different. It feels like the Maloof's have been manipulated into Geoff's power play and he just called checkmate. For our sake I hope that's true.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2007 11:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
Pookey is now answering his own post. Is that legal?
We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2007 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
Only if 3 or more voices in my head start mouthing off at once.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2007 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
One thing that the Maloof's prize is employee loyalty.  Adelman drove the last nail into his own coffin when he publicy intimated that he had at least as much say in his future as the brothers Maloof, all but declaring himself a "free agent" when his contract was up.  This raised the ire of the Maloof's, who terminated Adelman just weeks prior to the contract expiring.  Now you could say that the timing of Adelman's termination was due to the team wanting to get on in their new direction, except that (1) the Kings opening was really the only coaching position available, so the risk of losing a viable candidate really didn't exist, and (2) if last year and this year proved anything it's that the Kings don't rush into selecting their coaches.
So, what does this have to do with the lack of interest in Porter?  Well, it could be any of the following reasons:
Amick is on the mark, right down the line.  
Or-
At this time last year Porter was involved in a group attempting to buy their own NBA team.  The Kings were apparently interested in Porter at that time.  Did he say no thanks, or did he thumb his nose at the job given his aspirations of ownership?
Or-
Did he publicly defend Adelman after Adelman's dismissal?  Elston Turner did, and that's why Elston was never given serious consideration for the head coaching job.  Not because he coached with Adelman, but because he ultimately sided with Adelman.
Or-
Did Porter's public comments about anticipating an interview with the Kings this year upset the Moloof's and/or Petrie?  I throw in Petrie here because he prizes discreetness (does anyone hold his cards closer to his chest than Petrie?).  He does not care for company business to be discussed in a public forum until he's ready.  Maybe Porter's comments made Petrie question whether he could trust Porter in that way.  Remember, Adelman played that game pretty well until near the end.
Or-
Maybe it's as simple as the collective braintrust liking Theus the most.  I have no problem with the Maloof's being involved in the process of hiring a new coach.  Hell, it's their team.  But they pay Geoff Petrie to do a job and I pray to God that they let him do it, because that's the only way that we'll ever return to talking about our chances in the playoffs instead of our chances in the draft.

by section214 on Jun 24, 2007 12:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
Noting wrong with your statement cept this section. Porter wanted to buy the Rose Garden. The blazers themselves weren't up for sale.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
Thanks for the knowledge, pookey.  I thought that it involved the Blazers but I knew they weren't for sale, so I took the coward's way out.

by section214 on Jun 24, 2007 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
Elston Turner wasn't seriously considered because he was the defensive coach on poor defensive ball clubs. If you want to emphasis defense you don't hire a guy who made it clear in the media that he couldn't make the team in question play defense when he was given the chance.
We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2007 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
That's assuming you have a coach who can make a guy quicker and longer too. Any coach who can make a poor defensive player play better defense is God. Or they're Larry Brown which is the same thing.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2007 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
Your point I don't think was wrong. Just wanted your details correct is all. Plus knowledge is better shared than kept to oneself. :)
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2007 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
Yep my bad. Apologies to Section.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2007 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
the kings, barring major blunders by some gm in the nba, will not be a contender for the next three years so let's just go through the motions and hope all moves aimed for the future pan out
Whether your dominating the playground, the last one to leave the gym, or your big time like Mike Bibby...

by CrownUs93 on Jun 24, 2007 12:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
This is just beyond disgusting right now.

Petrie need to pull a coup in this year's deep draft because this team is looking real bad right now.

Time to blow 'em up, boyz.

by kingme18 on Jun 24, 2007 12:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
When I own a business, I'm going to make sure that my mom and all my siblings are involved in every hire I make. Because that's how business works.
We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Jun 24, 2007 12:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
Could be worse:  They could be involving their party life friends from the Palms.  

"And with the tenth pick in the NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings - based on advice from good friends of the Maloofs (Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie) - the Kings select...

SPENCER HAWES!"

by bballblog on Jun 25, 2007 6:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
If you haven't already read Ailene Voisin's column.

It's interesting in this respect.
She's contradicting SOME of what Amick said which is even more interesting. In a one horse town when you have so few writers and they're somewhat contradicting each other there are these 2 circles being drawn with the gray area in the middle being drawn in. The question at this point is how much gray area is there?
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2007 1:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
Did any of you listen to the Bill Simmons podcast this week with Ric Bucher?  It was a very interesting interview with lots of info on Kobe and the NBA in general.  The most interesting thing that he said was that there's a big myth about the nba that most GMs are in control of thier clubs.  In reality, the owners make many more decisions than they should and the GMs are more like fall guys.  That's why you don't see more GMs speak out about owners or defend themselves in the media because they all want to keep their jobs.

I don't think we can realistically expect Petrie to have 100% control, but I do hope we're past the point where the Maloofs meddle too much.

by thekangarooster on Jun 24, 2007 2:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
Notice Ric said most. One of those teams that doesn't have that problem is San Antonio. RC Buford has personnel control of that team and Peter Holt isn't getting in his way. Maybe some of that is championships ,but when you remember that much of that had to do with Buford's draft picks it's a fair assessment to make. That's why I think Phoenix will sell thier picks. Robert Sarver has too much control over the team and has no clue on how to run a franchise. I can't remember an owner given such a successful franchise and having run it into the ground so quickly. Sarver may set a record on that front.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2007 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
Now that Scott Brooks won't be with the Kings next year
Has Brooks relocated to another place as far as we know? I'm just curious what exactly, outside of the reasoning Amick used, to justify that statement. Not being critical just curious.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2007 8:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
I doubt he'd want to stick around after being passed over for the head coach job.

by thekangarooster on Jun 24, 2007 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
Can't argue with that.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 24, 2007 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Brooks Hated Musselman? Maloofs Hate Porter?
Brooks can leave Sactown & still be local being from Manteca(lard-town)....btw....sports fans in Stockton are really pissed off & dissappointed that the local dude was passed over...I'd site the link but I'm feeling lazy....

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/rhondda

by Rhondda Nunes on Jun 25, 2007 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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