Artest to Minnesota?

by Tom Ziller on Jun 25, 2007 6:58 AM PDT in Free Agency/Trades

It's a weak rumor at best -- an off-the-cuff mention in an Arlington Heights Daily Herald notes column. But hey, what the hell.

According to a league source, Minnesota may try to swing a deal for Ron Artest if it keeps Garnett.

Dealing with Kevin McHale could be a nice shot in the arm for this franchise.

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Re: Artest to Minnesota?

The trade might be Ron Artest and our 10th pick for Ricky Davis and their 7th pick.

I'd be down for that

He can shoot, and he looks good in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Jun 25, 2007 7:56 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

That's pretty much a perfect trade. Lets the Kings move up in the draft and they get an ending contract.

by Carl on Jun 25, 2007 8:30 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

Maybe it's obvious, but it lets the Kings get rid of Arrest without having to take back junk players.

by Carl on Jun 25, 2007 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

There are worse things than the 7th pick too. Just 3 slots higher to take Jason Smith mwahahahahahhaa.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2007 9:05 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

I would love to see Artest play with KG and I would love to see Petrie make a trade with McHale. This is a nice dream to have first thing Monday morning.

by Jeff Reguilon on Jun 25, 2007 9:10 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

i would love to see that too, if only in a purple and black uniform

Whether your dominating the playground, the last one to leave the gym, or your big time like Mike Bibby...

by CrownUs93 on Jun 25, 2007 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

I would take this trade:

WOLVES RECEIVE:
Ron Artest
Brad Miller
#10 pick

KINGS RECEIVE:
Ricky Davis, Mark Madsen, Mark Blount
#7 pick in the draft
#41 pick in the draft

by bballblog on Jun 25, 2007 9:39 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

Yes, please.

by Tom Ziller on Jun 25, 2007 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

Who wouldn't want that trade?

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2007 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

man with theus' pretty smile and hair, maybe a run and gun fun type of offense, and mark madsen dancing and waving towels on the bench, the kings might be a pretty exciting team to watch.

i would also love to have ricky davis for artest and move up three spots in the draft. then we could take a dropping brandan wright, a dropping mike conley jr., yi, or brewer. we could pretty much take whatever we want here, not what's left over at #10.

when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??

by diehardkingsfan5 on Jun 25, 2007 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

please

by dun on Jun 25, 2007 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

Let's do it already! What's the holdup?

Oh, the Wolves are hesitating? Wonder why??

He can shoot, and he looks good in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Jun 25, 2007 10:07 AM PDT reply actions

LOL

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2007 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

Isn't Ricky Davis a bad character guy, like really bad. Artest is insane but I think he wants to win, Davis is just about his numbers and shots and getting paid, do you want him around Martin, Garcia and Douby??

by Murf on Jun 25, 2007 10:59 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

He's only on the books for a year. Plus you can always move him for somebody else.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2007 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

I second that, Pookey.

We're trying to put together a puzzle here, piece by piece and if we get the great young player we really like it's worth it to carry Ricky Davis for the short term. In the meanwhile, the guy can score.

"When the Going Gets Weird, the Weird Turn Pro." (Hunter S Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Jun 25, 2007 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

I'm with Pookey - Davis is gone in a year, and well, the alternative is Arrest.

by Carl on Jun 25, 2007 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

If the Kings pull the trigger on the Artest/Miller for Blount/Madsen/Davis trade proposed here, the Kings would be commiting nearly $100 million over the next FOUR seasons to a front line of Mark Blount, Mark Madsen, Kenny Thomas, and Shareef. That doesn't frighten anyone? Essentially, the Kings would be maneuvering to be competitive again in 2012. Bad trade. If something like this in the works for real, the Kings had better pull back one of the Wolves' prospects like Rashad McCants.

Freakin' Kings.

by DB on Jun 25, 2007 11:26 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

Net/Net, Miller and Blount each have two years left after this year, Blount at $4 million and $4.3 million less than Miller. Everyone else comes off the books after this year, so you've created over $4 million in additional cap space (I call Artest/Davis a contract wash since Artest will opt out anyway), moved up three slots in the draft (huge if you take a close look at it) and picked up a 2nd round pick. What's not to like? What out there is better?

by section214 on Jun 25, 2007 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions

For the record

Brad Miller has 3 years left 10.5, 11.3, 12.25 mil
Ron Artest 2 with a player option on his last year
7.8 mil with a 8.45 mil option
Mark Blount has 3 years left 6.7, 7.3, 7.9 mil
Mark Madsen has 3 years left 2.4, 2.6, 2.8 mil
Ricky Davis has a year left 6.8 mil

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/sacramento.htm
http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/minnesota.htm

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2007 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

I was looking at the ESPN trade machine, and they have 4 more years for Blount's contract, same as Madsen, Shareef, and KT.

Freakin' Kings.

by DB on Jun 25, 2007 11:36 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

ESPN's trade machine is stuck in 2006-07.

The above trade would save $2 million in 2007-08, $1.3 million in 2008-09 if Artest declines his player option next summer, $9.7 million in 2008-09 if Artest accepts his player option next summer... and about $1.6 million in 2009-10.

The talent would seem to be an even shift in the long-run -- Miller and Blount appear to be terrible for good, Madsen is a bench-warmer, Davis is a jackass volume-shooter who shouldn't start under any circumstances, Artest is a problem.

Davis comes off the books next summer at worst. I think he's a highly tradeable guy midseason, depending on whether GMs are again shy this year. Artest will always have a more limited market; Davis is bad, but not violent bad. Just ballhog bad.

Madsen is tradeable at less than $3 million a year. And he's a good character guy. I've always wanted to punch him in the face, yes. But this is a business.

If you can peddle Madsen, you could make this deal show significant savings (approximately $4 million per year). Every bit helps, especially when the Kings sat within a million bucks of the luxury tax this year.

Add in the upgrade from #10 (the leftovers from Hawes-Noah-Yi-Wright-Green-Conley) to #7 (potentially Brandan Wright or Corey Wright, or else your pick of most of the Yi/Wright/Green/Noah/Conley group)... it's a winner to me.

(Unless you think Brad Miller will rebound in strong form. The numbers don't suggest that's a remote possibility, though.)

by Tom Ziller on Jun 25, 2007 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

First off just looking at the numbers they match. But Minnesota would be taking on more money long term which is something they would shy away from I think. They're on the verge of paying luxury tax. On the other hand they might do that to send off KG in style.

As far as Miller vs Blount the thing about Miller is he can score more. Since Garnett is such a great board man it would balance Miller's/Garnett's deficiencies some. Artest is also a low post player which is something both Miller and Garnett are not. Plus with Juwan Howard you can always go big/small depending on your preference. The only reason Minnesota does this is if they're desperate in a last ditch effort to make the Wolves attractive to KG. However they help themselves by moving Madsen too sooooooo.....

The reason I like it is that the Kings wouldn't feel obligated to anybody in this deal long term. Madsen and Blount would become asset's at the same time along with Kenny Thomas. The 7th pick is a tangible asset that teams looking to move up to pick whatever player they might think is there would give the Kings an opportunity to trade down and get extra picks and what not. It's a deal worth doing from every perspective from Sacramento's end. The question is would Minnesota take the risk?

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

And did I mention that our front line would be Mark Blount, Mark Madsen, Kenny Thomas, and Shareef? The rim might as well be 15 feet high for all the dunking that group would do.

Freakin' Kings.

by DB on Jun 25, 2007 11:38 AM PDT reply actions

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and whoever we draft at 7. Then again, if we make that trade we might go with a SF.

by coachtheus on Jun 25, 2007 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

I think trading down to get a player you do like at a lower spot is just as reasonable if you make that Artest trade. That trade could be in conjunction with others.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2007 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

Like say, Jason Smith, for example? ; )

"When the Going Gets Weird, the Weird Turn Pro." (Hunter S Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Jun 25, 2007 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

Well Yes but you could also get other picks in the 20's too. This is an important draft I think for the Kings particularily if they trade the right asset's to get heavily into this draft. Teams don't like have alot of young players on their team unless they can stage their development at a reasonable rate. For instance if the Kings got 5 1st rounders it would not to be to put 5 rookies on the roster with all 5 1st rounders. 3 of them could potentially not come over for several years in all likelihood. That's just a for instance. It's true I want Smith. It's also true I want the Kings to deal deep in this draft and get as many asset's up front to deal or play down the road. I think this draft is great for that.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2007 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

Here's a crazy idea:

Trade Artest to Minnesota for Trenton Hassell (6.7pts, 2.7 Ass., 3.1 reb) and the 7th pick. Then trade the 7th pick to the New York Knicks for David Lee on draft day unless Brandan Wright is still there. Then with the 10th pick in the draft take Julian Wright, Jeff Green or Al Horford to fill Artest's spot.

Starting lineup:
C-Miller
PF-Lee
SF-J. Wright
SG-Martin
PG-Bibby

In Lee and Wright we have very good rebounding and passing big men. Miller can stay on the outside on offense. Lee can set screens down low for Martin/Wright.

Ah, it's draft time - We can dream right?

He can shoot, and he looks good in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Jun 25, 2007 12:12 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

Not the worse idea i've ever heard.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2007 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

You wouldn't take Noah or Yi over David Lee? I mean he's a good player don't get me wrong, but I'd stay with the pick.

by coachtheus on Jun 25, 2007 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

If the Kings do swing a deal to move up to the #7 slot I bet we're looking at Joakim Noah (or possibly Conley Jr. or Yi if either one slips a bit).

t doesn't really make sense to move up for any other player who would be there.

Noah is now projecting to be there, and if the Kings don't move up he'd likely be snagged by either Charlotte or the Bulls who draft just ahead of us.

If this deal goes down I'd lay odds that Noah gets the nod, and since I'm the guy who just wrote that it'd be worth moving up to the #5 slot to get him, I'd be stoked about that!

"When the Going Gets Weird, the Weird Turn Pro." (Hunter S Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Jun 25, 2007 12:24 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

It does make sense to move up if you're trying to get extra picks in the 20's or 2nd round though. You can sell a top 7 pick for one guy at a much higher level if teams have multiple picks elsewhere like Philly does. Philly is reportedly high on Yi.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2007 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

So Pookey, you're suggesting the idea might be to turn around and deal the #7 pick as well? Interesting...

"When the Going Gets Weird, the Weird Turn Pro." (Hunter S Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Jun 25, 2007 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions

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Jared just a thought. Wouldn't you rather have the 12th 30th & 43rd pick as opposed to just the 7 or 10th picks?

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2007 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

Hmm, well at 30 you could likely pick up Nick Fazekas, Jared Jordan, Kyrylo Fesenko, Marc Gasol, Glen Davis, Jared Dudley, Aaron Gray, Dominic McGuire or Morris Almond. Not bad. Plus the 12th pick would be great.

He can shoot, and he looks good in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Jun 25, 2007 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

Phoenix's 1st rounders might be sale. It's always possible the Kings could buy one.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2007 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

I don't know, Pookey. It's an interesting question. Somebody here just threw out something about Brandan Wright maybe dropping to the #7 slot. Other's have said Conley Jr could possibly be there.

I know you're not all that into Yi or Noah, and we could get your guy Smith at #12, but personally I do think there's a significant difference in what you'd get with a Noah compared to a project like Smith, and I'd be inclined to jump at the chance to snag somebody with Joakim's skill set.

On the other hand I haven't really scoouted who would be there with those two late picks, although I do know that it's very rare for a player taken that late to make much of an impact, or even to still be on the team after two seasons.

"When the Going Gets Weird, the Weird Turn Pro." (Hunter S Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Jun 25, 2007 12:53 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

Depends on what you're paying on Pete Carril for. If you're paying him to work with players that's what he does best. Develop players. As far as I'm concerned that's what the Kings need to do. Develop alot of young talent at the same time. It's the only way it seems to develop a team these days. Rather go all in with the chips this team has, that doesn't really work long term anyway, and blow it up too soon than too late. Personal opinion. Your point is excellent too. One player can make a significant difference and the question is always will he? This isnt the NFL or MLB where trading down to get multiple picks is a goal because of multiple positions. The NBA draft is so more important when you trade down because depth is such a key issue. I think the Kings have multiple issues that could be solved with this draft. I wonder if Splitter will go in the top 20 as every mock draft has him falling. If the Kings pull off any Artest deal involving the 7th pick the ramifications of getting more picks in the 20's and 2nd round is huge. It could be the best move Petrie has ever done. Or it could go bad as every team is laughing at Geoff. In my experience when Geoff does something he has reason. That's the beauty of this draft. There is so much anticipation and things to look forward to.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2007 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

Right... trading down in the NBA is far riskier than say in the NFL. The corollary of that axiom is that you have a significantly better chance of scoring a bullseye by moving up.

Last year, for example with the #6 pick you add Martell Webster to the roster and the #8 pick gets you Channing Frye. Not too shabby, right?

But down in the lower regions, or even past the top 10, it gets dodgy very quickly. The Knicks scored with David Lee at #30 and the Warriors nailed Monta Ellis at #40, but for every one of those promising players there are 7 or 8 guys named Travis Diener and Brandan Bass. The odds are against you.

2005: Same thing only an even smore dramatic dropoff. At the #6 slot you get Brandon Roy! At the #7 you get Randy Foye!

But down in Multiple Picks land... well, Daniel Gibson looks like a good prospect and he was picked at #41 overall, but he's surrounded left and right by stiffs who aren't even league now. Denham Brown, Joel Freeland, Kosta Perovic, you get the idea.

2004: The #7 pick fetches you Luol Deng!

Down in the lower-middle of the draft Petrie pulls a rabbit out of the hat by stealing Kevin Martin at #26, and Anderson Verajao is a legit player at #29.

But once you descend into the basement of Round 2 searching for a bargain, well, good luck, because it's pretty much row after row of Tim Pickett and Ricky Minard (remember him?) type's you'll be sorting through in the cutout bins.

Pete Carill is a genius, but he can only do so much, and he has a lot better chance of success working with a young player who has actual NBA-level skills.

In my opinion if you can get a likely stud like Michael Conley Jr, Brandan Wright or Joakim Noah at #7 you shout "Hallelujah!" because you just had a nice draft. Then yet the other poor slobs worry about which small handful of players in round two might actually pan out.

"When the Going Gets Weird, the Weird Turn Pro." (Hunter S Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Jun 25, 2007 2:42 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

That's usually the theory jared. But what if that isn't the case this year?

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2007 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

Well, if this turns out to be the exception then I guess we could throw the ususal theory out the window and it'd be a bit safer to buy a few lottery tickets down in Round 2.

So there are a few guys down in that range you feel pretty good about, Pookey? Like I said, I haven't gathered a lot of info about that part of the draft.

Marc Gasol has the right last name, and I hear there's some interest in the potential of Kyrlenko Fesenko. Oh, and I heard somebody on ESPN radio yesterday say they kinda liked the upside of this kid Wilson Chandler... I dunno.

Anyway, there's a report that Garnett is about to be moved to the Lakers, which I assume would probably end the talk of a T-Wolves/Kings deal.

"When the Going Gets Weird, the Weird Turn Pro." (Hunter S Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Jun 25, 2007 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions

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Yeah, well I'll believe it when I see it. It's always generally a bad idea to give up young for old which is what the Lakers would be doing with Bynum/Garnett. But hey the Lakers want to appease Kobe that's their business. Wouldn't bother me any if Bynum ended up in Minnesota.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2007 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

If Garnett goes to the Lakers now, and the Lakers retain Kobe, it's over.

Who cares about Bynum.

by bballblog on Jun 26, 2007 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions

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If that deal is made as currently rumored, the Lakers payroll would be at $64 million with just eight players. They're going to have to leave Kwame Brown and Vlad Radmonovich on someone's door step if they're going to pull this off, and that would still leave them with just $15-$20 million to fill out 4-6 roster spots. I'm not saying it can't be done, but if you were a Laker fan wouldn't you prefer Jerry West over Mitch Kupchak right now? Enjoy your retirement, logo.

by section214 on Jun 25, 2007 3:50 PM PDT reply actions

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I'm alone but I've always felt Kupchak is a quality GM. As far as that trade that's the big thing about it that makes me wonder. It adds alot of salary to the Lakers and Jerry Buss won't pay luxury tax.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 25, 2007 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Artest to Minnesota?

I would just like to remind everyone that I have repeatedly mentioned Artest to Minne for the #7 and Hassell or Mike James. Check my post or just ask Pookie, we have gone back and forth on this one.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Jun 25, 2007 4:08 PM PDT reply actions