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Dancing With Miami

by Tom Ziller on Jun 27, 2007 1:09 PM PDT in Free Agency/Trades

Chad Ford is dancing with Bill Simmons, and suggests the Kings dance with Miami:

If I'm the Kings, I try to get the Heat to take Mike Bibby and Ron Artest for the No. 20, Dorrell Wright, Udonis Haslem and the expiring contract of Jason Williams.

Miami is desperate. The Kings are going nowhere. Why not cut bait and rebuild?

I wouldn't, like, sing in glee or anything. I like Haslem a lot (and he's one of Kevin Martin's best friends). I'm intrigued by Wright. I would love to get my hands on a second first round pick. And cap space is good.

Like I said, this isn't Richmond-for-Webber. But tell me you wouldn't be satisfied with the full rebuilding effort.

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Re: Dancing With Miami

I want to get rid of Artest as bad as anyone, but that's the most lopsided trade I've seen in forever. The Kings ought to be able to do (way) better than that.

by Carl on Jun 27, 2007 1:33 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

Oh wait, I just realized that Chad Ford proposed that trade and not you, so I'll dispense with the pleasantries: Ron Arrest may be crazy, but Chad Ford is an idiot.

by Carl on Jun 27, 2007 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

This wasn't worth posting or reading the article. Miami would be the odds on favorite to win the next two championships and the Kings would be the worst team in the NBA for at least 5 years. Rebuilding and giving up aren't the same thing. Ford is a f@#!ing idiot.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Jun 27, 2007 1:37 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

The Kings would have a lot more cap space and five to six young pieces to build around. I'm not sure what their is to dislike about this deal. Either way rebuild and tear the house down and ship everyone out except the four to five young guys worth keeping, or we trade the pick and find more veteran help to try and win now.

Guess what? The first option is the better one. The Kings are not going to win with this team no matter who the coach is. Period. Haslem, the #10 pick, the #20 pick, Wright, Garcia, Martin gives the Kings a young nucleus to build around, and some cap room to go after some free agents next year. I see nothing wrong with this deal.

by bballblog on Jun 27, 2007 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

Agreed

by CAB on Jun 27, 2007 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

Petrie's work wouldn't be done, as we would now have a front line of Miller, 'Reef, K9 (woof!), Haslem and maybe Justin Williams. That's damn near $30 million (not including Williams) for a bunch a guys that can't block shots (not including Williams). That being said, if the trade takes place I want a seat on the plane that Artest and Bibby share to Miami (cue the "Odd Couple" music).

by section214 on Jun 27, 2007 1:41 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

It's unlikely the Kings will be able to deal Thomas/Miller until next summer. They will both have to put up good numbers on a team. I'm all for seeing what we can get for Rahim and then showcasing them to be traded next summer. AT this point they have about as much value as my empty McDonald's cup on my desk.

by bballblog on Jun 27, 2007 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

I would trade "signman" for Jimmy Buffet.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Jun 27, 2007 1:42 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

I would trade "Signman" for the Hometown Buffet.

by section214 on Jun 27, 2007 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

That trade doesn't work money wise unless somebody else is thrown in.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2007 2:00 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

RealGM.com Tradechecker ID: 4029922

The deal can only happen if both Doleac and Bibby are willing to come back to their respective teams next year, though.

by bballblog on Jun 27, 2007 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

IF Doleac had Miami pick up his option, and
IF Doleac were included in the trade,
THEN it would work cap wise,
EXCEPT that Miami would be at the cap with only seven signed players,
AND the Kings would have 13 players under contract, including Price and Williams but not including either of the draft picks.
This one is a pipe dream, as in someone was on the pipe when they dreamed this one up.

by section214 on Jun 27, 2007 2:10 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

As for Yi, I fully expected you to tell us that he's the best player available at No. 5 -- you're the same guy that once touted the virtues of Darko Milicic and Pavel Podkolzine. You'll have to excuse me if I'm dubious of a Chinese star who A.) refused to workout against anyone, and B.) dominated the 19-and-under championships when he was lying about his age and happened to be 22 at the time. But hey, I've never seen anyone look better offensively while posting up a chair. So you might be onto something.

LOL @ THAT!!!!!

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2007 2:17 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

That was pretty damn funny...

by Kusian on Jun 27, 2007 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions

LOL @ THIS TOO

Michael Jordan is on the clock.

"Michael? Michael?"

Someone call the golf course ...

"Oh, Michael there you are. Who are you taking in the NBA draft?"

"The what?"

"The NBA draft tomorrow."

"It's tomorrow?"

"Yeah. Who do you like?"

"I like the big, athletic kid who's really raw, refuses to rebound and has his motor running on idle for 30 minutes a night."

"You mean Brandan Wright or Kwame Brown?"

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2007 2:23 PM PDT reply actions

LOL

Chad: Podkolzine would've dominated the league had he: A. Been able to avoid brain surgery his rookie season
B. Had actually played basketball in a real, organized game before being drafted in the first round
C. Been drafted by the Hawks

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2007 2:29 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

I don't know if Miami would be willing to roll the dice on two guys who were reportedly at each other's throats last season, but I'd definitely jump on this deal. I think some of you guys might be underrating Haslem.

by Deleran on Jun 27, 2007 2:30 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

I'm not underrating Haslem at all. I think what it is is that he's a very effective role player who fits in well in Miami. The kings don't have those superstar player to fit alongside Haslem. Do they?

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2007 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

Haslem = Kenny Thomas

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Jun 27, 2007 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

Ummm are you sure you aren't sipping the purple kool aid?

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2007 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

I am certainly not a Poodle fan. But Haslem isn't significantly better - especially when you consider he played on a much better team, took more shots, and played many more minutes.

Kenny Thomas
2006-07 Statistics
PPG 5.3 RPG 6.10 APG 1.2 FG% .482 Mins 22.8

Udonis Haslem
2006-07 Statistics
PPG 10.7 RPG 8.3 APG 1.2 FG% .492 Mins 31.4

by Kusian on Jun 27, 2007 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

My bad, sorry Kenny you do have better career stats than Haslem and you haven't had the luxury of playing next to Shaq, the largest space eater in the history of the NBA.

Haslem:
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/players/playerpage/404646

Thomas:
http://www.sportsline.com/nba/players/playerpage/139098

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Jun 27, 2007 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

If Haslem and KT were on the same team (any team, Shaq or no Shaq), Haslem would, without controversy, still be the starter and get most of the minutes. Therefore Haslem is an upgrade over KT.

by henryclemente on Jun 27, 2007 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

That's true. He's just not much of an upgrade.

by Kusian on Jun 27, 2007 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

Nailed it.

by section214 on Jun 27, 2007 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

he's an upgrade...just not the upgrade we need

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2007 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

Some teams collect swing players a la Atlanta Hawks, please let's not be the team that collects under sized power forwards and centers. If you are going to trade Bibby and Artest we better get someone who is 6-10 or bigger or the pick to draft someone 6-10 or bigger.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Jun 27, 2007 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

The Kings do not = the Hawks. So bringing up the Hawks does not matter here. We all agree the team should go big.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2007 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

at this dance miami is looking like the heavy-set girl with a tremendous underbite and i trust geoff petrie will not ask her to dance out of sympathy or even in our case, desperation

Whether your dominating the playground, the last one to leave the gym, or your big time like Mike Bibby...

by CrownUs93 on Jun 27, 2007 2:31 PM PDT reply actions

Another goodie

Chad: Are we doing this again next year? You're going to love Kevin Love. He'll be the Adam Morrison of the 2008 NBA Draft.

Bill: Of course we're doing this next year! I look forward to seeing what foreign big man you'll be supporting - supposedly there's a 7-foot-1, 19-year-old South Korean who scored 120 points in a workout against a leather recliner last week. Keep an eye out for him.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2007 2:37 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Another goodie

i just read through that whole page, it is just oozing with one-liners. could a mock draft possibly be that funny

Whether your dominating the playground, the last one to leave the gym, or your big time like Mike Bibby...

by CrownUs93 on Jun 27, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Another goodie

I was surprised by the comparison of Durant to Oden. Durant compared to the model who cheats on you all the time. Oden is the female you want to marry that's safe. Interesting analogy but it works.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 27, 2007 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

I remember from the last game of the Mia-Dal Finals, Haslem hit a clutch open jumper in the closing minutes. I can't recall if it was their last basket or second-to-last. Either way it was big. In the post-game show they didn't even replay or talk about it. Anyway my point is even in clutch situations, he will quietly hit open shots and not dribble off his foot or get blocked. More than I can say about current PFs on the roster.

by henryclemente on Jun 27, 2007 4:46 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Dancing With Miami

I actually would love this trade if we were able to draft someone like conley. Start the rebuilding now instead of just retooling the roster

by kingme on Jun 27, 2007 11:31 PM PDT reply actions

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