Spencer Hawes, Sacramento King

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Nooooooo

by coachtheus on Jun 28, 2007 5:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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My thoughts exactly.

by Deleran on Jun 28, 2007 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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who wants do get shanked, im pissed!

by joeytothelimit on Jun 28, 2007 5:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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angry, sad, I don't know what to feel. Wait...I think I feel like shit.

by R3DLiN3 on Jun 28, 2007 5:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Let's shank Spencer Hawes..

by R3DLiN3 on Jun 28, 2007 5:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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R.I.P. Bballblog.

In related news,
FUCK!

by MILKSHAKE on Jun 28, 2007 5:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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The Kings #1 problem last year was our lack of athleticism...So what do we do in the draft???? We pick up a 7 footer who i have yet to see dunk in game highlights...Real smooth guys!!!

by Hoops916 on Jun 28, 2007 5:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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This offseason has officially gone to shit.

by R3DLiN3 on Jun 28, 2007 5:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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I'm hanindg out nooses, free of charge. My own comes with a Spencer Hawes designed knot...

by Psychrates on Jun 28, 2007 5:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Ooof. He's the American Todd MacCulloch.

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by jgurney on Jun 28, 2007 5:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Now being accepted: apologies. Anyone who called me out for suggesting that Geoff Petrie was an inept stumblebum may now officially offer their apologies. We have a team with three very obvious deficiencies: no rebounding, no defense, no athleticism. So, in one of the deepest drafts in NBA history, with Julian Wright and Al Thornton still on the board, he drafts a 7-footer who can't rebound, can't play defense, and with no solid evidence to the contrary, can't even dunk a basketball. Someone tell Petrie that this isn't 1954 and that George Mikan retired a long-time ago. Your front-line starters for next year: Kenny Thomas and Brad Miller. Just let it sink in.

Freakin' Kings.

by DB on Jun 28, 2007 5:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Does anyone here feel helpless? It's like there's no hope with Spencer Hawes in the future

by R3DLiN3 on Jun 28, 2007 5:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Pretty much sums up my feelings at the moment. We're going down the tubes and fast.

by coachtheus on Jun 28, 2007 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I couldn't agree with you more.

by sacmich on Jun 28, 2007 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Hey kingstalkrefugee, Do you have any more nooses available? I might bust a Benoit with it.

by R3DLiN3 on Jun 28, 2007 5:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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No...please no....(breaks down in uncontrollable sobs)

Wait...maybe there's a trade in the works! Yeah! That's it! Spencer and Ron-Ron for...someone a bit further down the list. Yeah! umm...please? Anything?

Throw me a frickin' bone here, will ya?

A song keeps going through my brain...

Say goodbye to Hollywood...say goodbye my baby! (Replace Hollywood with "playoffs anytime in the immediate future".)

by jacquetbg on Jun 28, 2007 6:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Still waiting for a trade. I'm afraid it's not happening, so I am just going to trade teams. Go Phoenix. At least they are fun to watch.

by sacmich on Jun 28, 2007 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I'm now convinced that Petrie is holding onto the past and not evolving (can build a team only one way). Hawes looks and defends just like Miller, flat footed and blocks shots only when the man is in his face, a true plodder. (no weak side blocks, never attacking). He's exactly what the Kings didn't need! Ending on a bright note, football is almost here!!!!! P.S. Dear Maloofs, please move this train wreck.

by blah blah on Jun 28, 2007 6:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Unfortunately, a Benoit comes in Women's AND Kids' sizes but you have to have steroids to operate them.

by Psychrates on Jun 28, 2007 6:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Please include a syringe with the noose. and you've got yourself a deal!!

by R3DLiN3 on Jun 28, 2007 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I'm sorry, all sold out. Koz and Rape-Ear bout a ton of needles to mainline the Maloof Kool-Aid...

by Psychrates on Jun 28, 2007 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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This may well signal that Ron will be a King come next year. The best available players were small forwards.

by Deleran on Jun 28, 2007 6:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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I think your right on. I think Theus has talked everyone into staying pat with Bibby and Ron-Ron and giving him a shot at getting these guys to play together. Jeez, that frontline of creaky knee Reef, Brad the human turnstile, and K-9 along with the rookie poster boy for "soft" will have frontlines across the league salivating...

Damn you Robert Horry!!!

by chupacabra on Jun 28, 2007 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I say again...please let there be some kind of Petrie miracle trade in the works.

by jacquetbg on Jun 28, 2007 6:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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MOTHERFUCKER

Can i retire as a kings fan?

by rimrock101 on Jun 28, 2007 6:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Maybe THIS'll make room for the Sonics to move to SAC. I'll cry, but eff the Maloofs.

by Psychrates on Jun 28, 2007 6:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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heres a trade
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft?analysis=1
knicks send
frye
stevie
for port's
randolph
james
dickau

by dun on Jun 28, 2007 6:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Potential trade revision:
Portland will send: Zach, Dickau, and Fred Jones-Not Jerome James...James is already on the Knicks roster.

Russman

by ridnour8 on Jun 28, 2007 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Oh ya, you guys think you have it so bad. Try following the Celtics and the Kings, talk about painful! Top that!

by blah blah on Jun 28, 2007 6:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Yeah, you guys had a slightly shittier draft night, but it's close.

by coachtheus on Jun 29, 2007 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Seriously, this is blunder number what in a row?

Loren Woods
Maurice Taylor
John Salmons
Quincy Douby
Eric Musselman
Reggie Theus
Spencer Hawes

Are the Maloofs trying to make Sacramento hate the franchise?

by discocricket on Jun 28, 2007 6:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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It's like the maloofs and petrie have given up or sth. They probably want the team to get as worse as possible so they can change cities.

Oneness

by Z3nBall3r on Jun 28, 2007 6:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Echoing everyone else - this is a really terrible pick. If they don't make other changes, (trading Bibby and/or Artest) I don't think I'll even bother watching next year.

by Carl on Jun 28, 2007 6:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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And I'll echo you. Its hard to get excited about the team as is.

by Deleran on Jun 28, 2007 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Welcome Hawes! I'm sure you'll prove all these haters wrong ;P

by kingme on Jun 28, 2007 6:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Hawes season highs
====
24 points vs USC
15 rebounds vs UCLA
six blocks vs Sacramento State

he's not a bum

by kingme on Jun 28, 2007 6:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Brad Miller Season Highlights
==
24 Points vs Cleveland 1/9
14 Rebounds vs Denver 12/22
3 Blocks vs Charlotte 3/15

by Deleran on Jun 28, 2007 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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15>14
6>3

:D

he is better than Brad and he's only 19! hehehe

by kingme on Jun 28, 2007 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Six blocks against Sac State? ooooohhh...not really impressing me.

I hope you're right, but all I see is another guy who can't rebound with any regularity, can't block, and, like Miller, can't jump over a phone book.

by jacquetbg on Jun 28, 2007 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Julian Wright Season Highs
==
33 Points vs Missouri
13 Rebounds vs Oklahoma
5 Blocks vs Oral Roberts

by Deleran on Jun 28, 2007 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=O3fWwtB9GJ4

by kingme on Jun 29, 2007 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I have saw him play in person against Oregon here in Eugene and he is a skilled player. Not the athletic guy we were all looking for but teamed with Justin Williams on the floor it will be respectable frontline. Hawes is more athletic than Brad was last year with all the injuries he was dealing with. If this wasnt done for a future trade...we really dont have much choice if we want to stay SacKings fans.

Russman

by ridnour8 on Jun 28, 2007 6:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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i think this wasnt the greatest of picks, but i sort of agree with ridnour on this. if justin williams can crack into the starting five (likely at PF) and pulls down some boards well, he and artest's relatively high rebounding (for a SF) might be able to make up for hawes' lack of athleticism.

heck, hawes coming off the bench is fairly nice too...he can pass and set up other guys well out of the post, which considering our lack of a true back-up PG, isnt a bad thing.

trying to find the silver lining....

by sactoreg on Jun 28, 2007 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Please don't. Unless Hawes becomes a 4-5 time all star there is none.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 28, 2007 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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When did Ron become an above-average rebounder at his position? Hasn't his rebounding been one of the biggest knocks on his game?

by Deleran on Jun 28, 2007 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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did a quick check at ESPN....he was 5th highest SF in rebounds/game last season

by sactoreg on Jun 28, 2007 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Shawn Marion, Lamar Odom, Dirk Nowitzki, Josh Smith, Caron Butler, Gerald Wallace, Q-Rich, Loul Deng, Josh Howard, Lebron James, Rashard Lewis, Chuck Hayes. 12 players at his position ahead of him. And he plays on a team full of below-average rebounders, giving him more opportunities.

by Deleran on Jun 28, 2007 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Where's bball. He can take to me to Dubai with him. We're both going to jump off the tower.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 28, 2007 6:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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We're gonna get drunk with Russell Crowe and headbutt some god damn kangaroos. And after that, we're going to conquer the Dubai concrete.

Goodbye, all.

by bballblog on Jun 28, 2007 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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so miami took jason smith, id much rather have him than hawes man, maybe a deal is in the works with their pick and j-will's expiring contract and mixed nuts is still in the works, any chance here?

by joeytothelimit on Jun 28, 2007 6:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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i hope a future trade is what's going to happen

by dun on Jun 28, 2007 6:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Right there with ya. (Check my previous posts.)

by jacquetbg on Jun 28, 2007 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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jason smith is gone

by dun on Jun 28, 2007 6:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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to the 6ers

by dun on Jun 28, 2007 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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MOTHERFUCKER (HOW CAN I NOT HATE GEOFF PETRIE TODAY?)

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 28, 2007 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Hawes is also a better low post scorer than Miller, Miller is primarily a set shooter and passer. It is the defense and rebounding that we should all be worried about.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Jun 28, 2007 6:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Kings next year so far:

PG - Bibby, Garcia
SG - Martin, Douby
SF - Artest, Salmons
PF - Thomas, Abdur-Rahim
C - Miller, Hawes

Kings last year:

Good at - outside scoring, guard slashing, pick/rolls, setting picks.

Average at - post scoring, ball-handling, interior passing, outside shooting, overall height.

Bad at - rebounding, athleticism, post defense, fast break speed, shot-blocking, playmaking, overall strength.

Kings pick Spencer Hawes.

His skills as far as we know:
good at - post scorer, good interior passer, good at setting picks, good height.
bad at - rebounding, post defense, athleticism, fast break speed, playmaking, outside shooting, overall strength.

Hmm, so he has NONE of the things in the columns we need. A couple things that the Kings were just average at like post-scoring, overall height and interior passing, he has that but so what?

Also, people are raving about how good a passer he is but I look at his stats and he only averages 1.9 assists!!?!? Vlade and Webber each averaged around 4 per game. Brad Miller averaged 3.6 last year. I don't think this Hawes is as good a passer as everyone is saying.

How did this help us much?

He can shoot, and he looks good in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Jun 28, 2007 6:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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It didn't. Not in any way of us can figure. We all hoped for much better than Spencer Hawes. All of us. We can try to find a silver lining for Hawes but none of us will. I just think Petrie didn't dig as deep as he could have. Which could have been a reflex action for the Maloof's shenanigans? That would be funny I think. The Maloof's have fucked with Geoff so he drafted a player he knew wasn't as good as some left on the board. HAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHA It still isn't funny fuck. I HATE SPENCER HAWES AND HE'S DONE NOTHING TO ME!!!! FUCK!!!!! FUCK!!!!!!

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 28, 2007 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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buy the phx pick

by dun on Jun 28, 2007 6:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Make Spencer a starter at 4 and Justin at 5 and LET's GO FOR O.J. Mayo!!!!!!

SACRAMENTO KINGS - NBA CHAMPIONS 2009

Oneness

by Z3nBall3r on Jun 28, 2007 6:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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You know what's sad? I am actually down for this. If we don't do something wild in trades this year (somthing I HOPE and TRUST that Petrie has up his sleeve) then all we have to hope for is the #1 pick next year.

He can shoot, and he looks good in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Jun 28, 2007 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Fucking Portland buy the pick! Where is the Maloofs and there fucking checkbook. Now we need to buy there other pick and then get one of Portland's 2nds.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Jun 28, 2007 7:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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MOTHERFUCKER THIS DRAFT IS GOING COMPLETELY WRONG IN EVERY WAY!

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 28, 2007 7:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Everything would be alright if we can somehow buy a pick from San Antonio or Philly and get Nick Fazekas.

PLEASE Petrie!

He can shoot, and he looks good in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Jun 28, 2007 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Why? To corner the market on unathletic white guys who have some decent skill?

Damn you Robert Horry!!!

by chupacabra on Jun 28, 2007 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Uh.

Well, let's see

He is a near 7 footer that shoots the three almost as good as Dirk Nowitzki (43% last season and near 75% in workouts).
He is the BEST rebounder left in the draft and one of the best rebounders in the NATION last year (11.1 per game, 14.7 per 40 minutes).
For the past 3 years in college, he averaged near 20 points, 10 boards and 2 assists per game.
He is a solid post defender.

The problem? He plays for a smaller college (Nevada) and is not very athletic.

So yes, he would not help in the athleticism department BUT he would help in outside scoring, post defense and big time in rebounding. Who else would you want? Gabe Pruitt?

He can shoot, and he looks good in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Jun 28, 2007 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Hmmm here's your counterpoint on Fazekas dalt..

Who wants a near 7 footer who's best attribute is their 3 point shooting if they can't do anything else at an NBA level.
I wouldn't put much stock in rebounding numbers from the WAC. Just about every team in that league plays uptempo with very little defense. If you can't put up decent rebounding stats against the other 6'9" players masquerading as centers and powerforwards in that league then you should quit the game. A corpse with picnic basket stapled to its arms would get about 5 to 6 rebounds in the WAC
Again were taking about the WAC here.
Not sure what you can point to as evidence of his post defense. His domination of the aforementioned 6'9" centers and powerforward of the WAC? He has a subpar wingspan for guys playing his position in the NBA and a well below average verticle leap. Add this to bad lateral quickness and you have Todd Fuller or Adam Keefe reincarnate.

I would have taken McRoberts ahead of Fazekas any day of the week.

Damn you Robert Horry!!!

by chupacabra on Jun 28, 2007 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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When all else fails go all white guy!

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Jun 28, 2007 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I think it's interesting that the BEST player we have, Kevin Martin, is the ONLY player that is extremely athletic. Martin can shoot but he's no great shooter like Ray Allen. He can pass OK but is no Wade or Iverson. He can rebound OK but is no Maggette. Yet, because he has super hops and above average skills he is a great player. Yet we signed free agents with no athleticism last year and draft someone with no athleticism.

I don't get it. Again, it HAS to be because of a trade in the works.

Right?

He can shoot, and he looks good in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Jun 28, 2007 7:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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I think most of us will agree, this isn't about Hawes not being a good player or having potential. It's more about him being the wrong type of player (skill set) for the type of system we are expecting Theus to run. I thought the Kings were going to focus on defense (there's that horrible word), rebounding the ball then getting out and running? One good thing is, we still have Bibby as are first line of defense (I'm sorry) and Miller as are last. How %@%^ delightful!!!

by blah blah on Jun 28, 2007 7:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Well said sir. Becuz that's precisely it.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 28, 2007 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Interestingly is that Noah and Hawes both worked out twice for Chicago yet who did the Bulls take?

He can shoot, and he looks good in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Jun 28, 2007 7:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Still waiting for my apologies.

I was just listening to the radio and Grant says that Spencer Hawes is awesome and you guys are all CRAZY! After all, he's seven feet tall! And he has great ballhandling skills, exactly what you want from YOUR FUCKING CENTER!!! And if he's by himself, with no one guarding him and a running start, he can dunk a basketball (with two hands, but still - this at least puts him one up on Kenny Thomas, who I believe can only touch the bottom of the net). Amusingly, as much as Grant slobbered over Hawes and Petrie today, even he admitted he's years away from being NBA-ready.

Freakin' Kings.

by DB on Jun 28, 2007 8:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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I was listening to 1140 when the Kings picked, and hate Grant as much as the next guy, but I can't say he sounded overly thrilled. You sir, probably heard what you wanted to hear.

You guys are all crazy - ready to jump off bandwagons at the least and tall buildings at the most. It's a freaking #10 draft pick...and Petrie has an unsurpassed draft record.

This pick doesn't excite me, but I'm willing to wait and see how this guy develops and what else Petrie does with the roster.

Lord knows I rarely pass up a chance to bash GP, but I will always defer to his judgment on draft day.

by otis29 on Jun 28, 2007 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Otis do not take offense. I want to agree with you. I even see your line of reasoning. The thing is unless Spencer Hawes becomes that complete player that I'm sure the Hawks would have taken at the 3rd pick lol, then we're screwed. It's not that I think Hawes will be a bad player. Unless he's a multiple time all star I don't see how this will work out well. He's too much like Brad Miller for me to go YIPPEEEEEE. Even noting that Brad got worse here is my point. This team doesn't have any athleticism and we just got a player who is not athletic in any way. I wonder if Petrie is trying to sabotage the franchise on purpose. I really do.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 28, 2007 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I wonder if Petrie is trying to sabotage the franchise on purpose. I really do.

Come on, this is a ridiculous statement. You'd have to be one evil mofo to do something like this, and I just don't see Petrie as that kind of guy.

Hawes averaged 15 or 16 points per game as a FRESHMAN in a pretty damn good Pac-10 conference. He's obviously not a stiff - and I will probably agree that he doesn't address a need, UNLESS Petrie has something in the fire to ship Brad out in a package with Bibby or Artest.

However, even if this team had gotten one of the athletic players that were available at #10, they are still a few years away in a hugely loaded Western Conference. Hawes fills a need down the road, perhaps not right now. If GP goes out and trades Bibby and/or Artest for the kind of young athletic talent the fans wish for, then this becomes a decent pick, no?

I get the feeling everyone here is hoping for a quick fix to get us competitive again. Face it, we are REBUILDING, and this is clearly a move for the future, not for the here and now.

by otis29 on Jun 28, 2007 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Heck no otis. Your reasoning as sound (as long as it's about basketball in my opinion lol). Youre not stupid and everything you have said makes every bit of sense. The problem something stinks here. The kings desperately needed to make a move to get younger and athletic in some way. Augmet the heavy skill sets with some athleticism. Mix and match. If the team went young and lost a ton well that happens in this league. That's part of going with a youth movement. The thing is that I feel this will destroy the Kings long term. Unless Hawes becomes that many times all star who's undeniable this is hard for me to understand this. It's not that Hawes can play because he can. This is not even about Hawes obvious skill set. It's about how this team moves forward with Hawes on this roster. Particularily since it's so unathletic already. I don't care that Spencer Hawes got drafted if this team had serious athleticism to surround Hawes' obvious flaws. That's the problem. This team is too flawed for Hawes to make a serious impact and what if Hawes is too raw to come in and even make a contribution? I just don't get where this team fits anymore. I don't get who makes these decisions. Big men take time and im willing to be patient. What I can't figure out why is the Kings took Hawes the single guy in this draft who may end up turning Kings fans away for good. I don't get it. I just don't get it.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 28, 2007 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Otis,

The problem is that we AREN'T rebuilding. I'd be ecstatic if we were rebuilding, but it appears that Geoff is apparently sitting around sniffing the stinky thumb while these other teams are wheeling and dealing.

by Carl on Jun 28, 2007 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Is there some rule I wasn't aware of that only allows trades on draft night?

Geez people, it's plenty early still.

by otis29 on Jun 28, 2007 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Otis, this was one of the best drafts in recent history, if the Kings were going to rebuild, they should have done it through this draft which would have required trading before the draft took place. Sitting and watching, not moving up to secure something better or trading for additional picks was foolish. At this point the Kings have severely limited what they can get for the pieces they have on the market. Unless we load up for next years draft, hoping that it will match the talent of this year and that the trading partner will lose a substantial amount of games.

Losing the coin toss for the 8 pick has proved to be pretty disastrous, who ever represented the Kings in that affair should be fired. With the way the last couple of months have gone I wouldn't doubt that Bart Simpson represented the Kings in a game of ro-sham-bo. Maybe you have some ideas on where the Kings go from here.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Jun 29, 2007 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Otis, this was one of the best drafts in recent history,

This is complete conjecture at this point. I'm hoping you are right though - the league needs an influx of new blood.

And don't forget, most of the NBA talking heads agree with you on the talent level of this draft. Most of those talking heads also consider Hawes a pretty good player.

I'm not sure I'm comfortable being the Petrie defender on the board tonight, since I've been very critical of the mix of talent he's put together here. But he seems to always draft well, and I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt in that regard.

by otis29 on Jun 29, 2007 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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That is exactly the plan. If you destroy it they won't come and they can move to Vegas. Let them go. Maybe someone with an agenda other than turning billions into trillions will buy a team, move them here and we can start from scratch.

I am pissed to no end!

by sacmich on Jun 28, 2007 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Spencer Hawes, Sacramento King

Grant has sounded apopolyptic as us every time he's talked about Hawes the past few months, but what's he supposed to do on draft night?

Stephen A. > Grant. Which is insane, I know.

by Ziller on Jun 29, 2007 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Spencer Hawes, Sacramento King

Miller is a multiple time all star and kings fans hate him so why would they like hawes?

trade em all

by kangsfan on Jun 28, 2007 8:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Spencer Hawes, Sacramento King

you cant teach athleticism, you cant hope for it to develop outta nowhere. hawes wont ever rebound offensively or defensively well because he cant outjump anyone, prolly doesn't jump at all. I'm disappointed to say the very least, i would have much rather had a question mark type of draft where a guy is rough around the edges but has freakish athleticism than this guy who is just average or below average at whatever he does without much hope that he'll do anything but improve his redundant skill set for this team. silver linings and half full glasses arent for everyone man

by joeytothelimit on Jun 28, 2007 8:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Stop watching and attending games so these greedy

Stop watching and attending games so these greedy billionare bastards will move this "team". They would have to pay me to watch these stiffs.

absolutely fricking ludicrous!

Read between the lines people, the plan is to destroy this franchise. Mission Accomplished. Well done!

by sacmich on Jun 28, 2007 9:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Spencer Hawes, Sacramento King

I guarantee that 95% of the "experts" commenting here have NEVER seen Hawes play. He is hands down the most skilled center in the draft - yes, including Oden. He's certainly not as atheltic as Oden and will never defend like Oden. However, his offensive skills are excellent. There was no big man in the draft even close to as skilled. Circa 2007 most NBA centers are amazingly unskilled as well as unatheletic. Hawes is very skilled and runs very well. Certainly his defense should improve. But he did block shots well. Whether that transfers to the NBA I don't know. However, there is no better "back to the basket" player in the draft. Period. He will be fine. And, to repeat, this is the #10 pick.

Seriously, I could take more of this negative feedback if I believed even half of you had ever played competitive basketball. Moreover, GP has an excellent record of comprehending talent. Give the kid a chance. This reminds me of when GP drafted Peja and all the "experts" just knew he could never play in the NBA.

by Kusian on Jun 28, 2007 11:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Spencer Hawes, Sacramento King

There still seems to be a feeling amongst most of the posters here that the Kings are a piece or two away from being a contender again. So they see a pick like Hawes and think it's a wasted opportunity.

Here's a news flash people - the Kings have holes everywhere. Sure, they need to be more athletic, but they need also need size, and a decent low post presence offensively. They need rebounding and shotblocking. This kid fills at least a few of these needs, and possibly more as he develops.

And here's another news flash. While everyone is interested in emulating the Suns, Mavericks and Warriors, look at the final four this past season - the Spurs, Cavs, Jazz and Pistons. Nary a run-and-gun amongst them. Ultimately, it comes down to playing solid team defense and executing in the half-court offense come playoff time.

Hawes is arguably the most polished low-post scorer in the draft this season, and he's only 19. There's a good chance Petrie knows what he's doing here.

by otis29 on Jun 28, 2007 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Spencer Hawes, Sacramento King

i'm joining your "side" now. i didn't want hawes to be @ 10 but he does address the paint issue in that he might actually stay down there. it's not the end of the world. more trades can happen, and the kings aren't one piece away. the bench still needs revamping; still need 1/2 more shooters; still need to wait until the elite teams get old. plus, after the lottery, a lot of the bigs are projects, not really sure things. it's not like we the kings of the 90's. there's still time to accumulate talent via trades and with do have some pieces for the future.
and yes, the "fun" teams don't win championships, because bigs down low still win. look @ the warriors,they traded a dynamic dunker with a shot for a big-project. it's a small realization that the half court game is more vital in the playoffs than in regular season.

by dun on Jun 29, 2007 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Spencer Hawes, Sacramento King

I hope Petrie and Co. give Theus the chance to forgo the emphasis on winning games this season versus developing the young talent and seeing exactly what they have.

If that's the case, I think this could be a fun team to watch. Maybe not a good team, but fun.

by otis29 on Jun 29, 2007 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Spencer Hawes, Sacramento King

some games i actually got to watch, i thought they should've let the young guns play longer. i didn't have to see kenny thomas in a game for 30mins to realize he's trying to be something he's not. plus, it was fun to see the "throw it up in the air and justin will come down with it" plays. it's the quickest way to help the team, pushing the young guns and making them learn on the fly.

by dun on Jun 29, 2007 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs