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Van Gundy's in Sacramento

Guess who's in Sacramento?

Former Miami Heat coach Stan Van Gundy arrived Wednesday in Sacramento, according to an NBA source, and appears to be on the verge of becoming the next coach of the Kings.

That's from Ira Winderman at the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. Nothing from anywhere else... yet.

Update [2007-6-6 17:52:37 by TZ]: Brian Schmitz blames Billy Donovan but has some special hate for Pat Riley. Read it. Makes you feel bad for the Magic, despite our (relative) glee.


Update [2007-6-6 18:25:44 by TZ]: The Bee's Sam Amick checks in, saying "indications are he could be the next Kings coach."


Update [2007-6-6 21:27:56 by TZ]: Amick has updated his story: The Kings have acknowledged Van Gundy is in town. According to Grant Napear on KHTK (via jacquetbg in the comments, thanks!), the Maloofs and Geoff Petrie are also in town. It's too late for a press conference, and that is how the Kings handle all these announcements. It's more or less official, though: Van Gundy is the coach of the Kings.

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Re: Van Gundy's in Sacramento
Great updates, TZ.  Why do I even have ESPN and FOXSPORTS bookmarked?

by section214 on Jun 6, 2007 2:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Van Gundy's in Sacramento
Because you've been suckered into believing ESPN has more news than the TZ.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 6, 2007 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

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In fairness to ESPN, I check them religiously. But the Sentinel has whooped everyone on this story.

by Tom Ziller on Jun 6, 2007 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Van Gundy's in Sacramento
ESPN is the best of a bad lot(national media). As long as I live I will always maintain that the best coverage is done by local media with the most intimate and deepest knowledge of a particular team.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 6, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Van Gundy's in Sacramento
True, but their lacrosse coverage is pretty good.

by section214 on Jun 6, 2007 2:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Van Gundy's in Sacramento
Van Gundy joined the Heat as an assistant coach on Sept. 20, 1995 and took over from Riley as coach on Oct. 24, 2003. He left as Heat coach December 12, 2005, citing family reasons, after recording a 112-73 record in his two-plus seasons as coach.
The record stated is Van Gundy's entire time with the heat but I'm going to put out his other records in individual coaching season's there.
Here is the entire record log for Miami franchise history
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Okay now that's done let's look at the 3 seasons (or part of) that Van Gundy coached there.

2003-2004 Team Record: 42-40
I can't find any record saying that Van Gundy coached 78 games but rather that he coached 82. I was under a different impression but no matter. Riley came into that season as the Head Coach and quit early on. It might have been 4 days into training camp. So either way this is not a big deal to me. The point is that Van Gundy was a given a situation that no head coach could have dreamed of. Except he had a young talent in Wade (who was lost in the LeBron hype until he exploded later in the season), an up and down talent in Caron Butler, and a finally realized his talent in Lamar Odom. This is the stuff of dreams kiddies. Let's check the record month by month.

Oct/Nov: 5-12 (this team started off with 7 losses to begin the season)
Dec: 8-7 Overall Record: 13-19 (this team became a 500 team after that 7 losses in a row)
Jan: 8-8 Overall Record: 21-27(remember this is with all the things going on surrounding the club)
Feb: 4-8 Overall Record: 25-35 (this didn't help that the team had a 5 game losing streak where they played the Pistons,Lakers,Nets and the Pacers , all of whom went to the 2nd round and beyond); They also lost 3 games at the end of the month to the Blazers (playoff team), Bucks(playoff team) and the Nets (playoff team). In otherwords this team kept hanging around all season long despite the tough start it got. Frankly these guys could have quit. If the Heat play the Bucks 2 weeks later they probably win that game. TJ Ford has his neck injury around this time.

Mar: 12-3 Overall Record: 37-38 This is where the magic turnaround did happen. Lost at Toronto (those games happen), a game in New Orleans (on a back 2 back whom was also a playoff team that year) and then at Indiana. Frankly this team kept getting left for dead then March happened and wah lah they became this magical team interesting to watch. This turnaround largely coincides with Lamar Odom continuing his All Star season (that he got screwed out of btw) and Dwyane Wade's emergence of the franchise star he's about to become.

Apr: 5-2 Overall Record: 42-40

Frankly this team finished very strong despite 2 negative losing streaks. Having a stud in Wade helped. Lamar Odom turned in his best season to date and Brian Grant turned in his last moment in the sun. Caron Butler was up and down all season long, a reason why Miami found him so expendable in the first place and this was true of LA too, and honestly there really wasn't any reason for this roster to be more than a 500 team. The fact that they got to the 2nd round was not that big of a deal. It had more to do with the fact that the East was weak than any other factor. Very similar to this year with the Jazz making the WCF.

I'm gonna throw out that first year with Shaquille O'Neal. It's not going to help unless you have a former franchise center about to hit his decline. Also the team would have made the finals in part because Detroit choked, and in part because Wade really got hurt that killed any real shot of Miami winning.

The sidebar to this is that if a Shaq like players does come here then that season will need to be looked at. I doubt it but you never know.

Here is the link
to Miami's 2003-2004 season
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Here is the link to Miami's 2005-2006 season
where Pat Riley, the snake that he is, jobbed SVG despite his 11-10 record
. I won't go into this with that much detail but Shaq didn't like him. Shaq's a friggin
i-d-o-u-t
. Who cares whether Shaq didn't like him? Well obviously alot of people did in and around Miami. However, since SVG didn't throw Shaq under the bus it will give him inroads to any player he plays with in the future. The feeling is that he might not get along with superstars BUT he got along with Dwyane Wade just fine. My feeling is that Wade didn't get consulted (which is a big time no-no on Riley's part) and because Pat Riley is a complete snake piss ant who doesn't care about anything except his slick back, he wanted the job of coaching Shaq.

What I do know is that Stan Van Gundy is a quality head coach. I'm a little curious that Terry Porter wasn't interviewed. However I know this for certain. Coaching is alot easier when you have a guy who does whatever he can to get a particular team to win. You can say that 03-04 team had talent but it wasn't talent that alot of teams in the league were saying OH MY GOSH LET'S BUILD OUR ROSTER AROUND CARON BUTLER DWYANE WADE AND LAMAR ODOM. It's hard to win when you start off so poorly too. The fact that they finished strong is a good indicator that he kept the team moving in a positive direction despite the negative pull around the team all season long. If Stan Van Gundy is the direction Petrie wanted to move in he could have done much worse. Namely PJ Carleismo.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 6, 2007 3:34 PM PDT reply actions  

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its funny, i was thinking the same thing.  he had one good season that really inflated his winning record.  is van jeremy (i know you are tired of the ron jeremy comparisons, but it is still funny to me) the best coach for this team?  we will need at least 2 years to find out.

by Cynema the Band on Jun 6, 2007 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

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If they weren't going to hire Porter im totally on board with this move. Van Gundy is 1 hell of a coach ,and the fact that he had a 500 team with a group of players so up and down not to mention 1 young stud who wasn't quite the player he was in year 2, it's hard to say Van Gundy isn't the guy to move forward with. I'll say this also. Stan is a coach I'd much rather have than Jeff.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 6, 2007 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Van Gundy's in Sacramento
This is a such a great move.  It really makes me quiver in anticipation for next year's head coach search.  Seriously, though...what in the hell are the Kings thinking?  Are their heads really that far up their ass?  This is nothing more than Musselman 2: Draft Lottery Boogaloo.
Freakin' Kings.

by DB on Jun 6, 2007 3:54 PM PDT reply actions  

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If you don't like anything the kings do why bother to care about them? Who did you want to be the coach DB? Phil Jackson? Gregg Popovich? Jerry Sloan? Pat Riley?????
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 6, 2007 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

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Yeah I mean SVG was the cream of the proverbial crop as far as this coaching carousel was concerned.  For whatever reason our other candidates weren't contacted (Porter) or were set on a single job (Iavaroni).  There's absolutely no reason to have this 'woe is me' attitude after we actually do a real coaching search, multiple candidates/multiple interviews, and pick the best candidate from the bunch.  I really think he will work  out for the team, and having a coach before the draft is going to be great.  Just be glad we aren't from Orlando.

by moproblemz on Jun 6, 2007 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Van Gundy's in Sacramento
Well said Mo.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 6, 2007 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Van Gundy's in Sacramento
until it's on AP; it looks like SVG is looking into the real estate business.  i don't care about the name; we need a coach to get everyone playing on the same team.

by dun on Jun 6, 2007 4:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Van Gundy's in Sacramento
What's this? A coach that might hold himself accountable for something. Check out this gem from an early season game the year his job was jacked from him by the Greasy Haired Devil:

Our guys did a great job of battling back from 14 down and quite simply, I blew it. That was a ridiculous call," Heat coach Stan Van Gundy said. "I mean, the zone got us back into the game. There's no reason we should have been in it on that last possession. The game is fully my responsibility.

"I'm about ready to hang myself in there. That was an absolutely ridiculous coaching decision."

Van Gundy was kicking himself for not calling off the zone and allowing Alonzo Mourning to do his thing in the paint.

"It was just stupid. Especially when they brought Boykins back in the game. It was just stupid. We should have matched up and played our defense. Anything going to the glass, Zo would have had. It was an absolute stupid decision," Van Gundy said. "I don't even know what I was thinking. I wasn't in my right mind."

Isn't that refreshing?

by Reverend John on Jun 6, 2007 4:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Van Gundy's in Sacramento
Great Quotes John. I don't know if it's refreshing when you hear it all the time. That's kind of how he is. I wonder if that will wear on anybody inside the franchise at some point. Still he cares which is a good sign if nothing else.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 6, 2007 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Van Gundy's in Sacramento
Grant Napear just confirmed that Van Gunday is in town, along with Joe Maloof and Geoff Petrie.

by jacquetbg on Jun 6, 2007 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Van Gundy's in Sacramento
...or Van Gundy, since I can't spell anymore.

by jacquetbg on Jun 6, 2007 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

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I have loved the Kings since before Jerry Reynolds coached them.  That's why I hate to see a return to the hopelessness of the Jerry Reynolds/Motta/Russell/etc. era.  Freakin' prove me wrong, Stan Van, but I see this guy as another short-term rental.  If anything, this whole process has just proved that Sacramento has once again become a destination that reputable players and coaches avoid like the plague.  Again, much like the Reynolds/Motta/Russell/etc. era.  I apologize if I've been consumed by negativity when it comes to the Kings.  I keep forgetting about all the positives of the past few years, like...
Freakin' Kings.

by DB on Jun 6, 2007 5:41 PM PDT reply actions  

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DB im just curious why you say it's a bad move. Do you expect the team to contend every season? Everything you talk about doesn't seem to have any real point behind it. For instance:

If anything, this whole process has just proved that Sacramento has once again become a destination that reputable players and coaches avoid like the plague.
Again I'm not asking for you to be Suzy Sunshine DB. Lord knows I'm very critical of the kings too. Does that mean that every move, until it becomes a great move in the public and national media's eye, is a terrible one? I'm curious again, DB, whom you would have wanted as the head coach. This is the 2nd time im asking, out of curiousity, who you think it should be?

I apologize if I've been consumed by negativity when it comes to the Kings.  I keep forgetting about all the positives of the past few years, like...
Be negative all you want. I'm just curious what direction this is all at. It sounds like to me you have unrealistic expectations, at all times, of the team.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 6, 2007 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Van Gundy's in Sacramento
DB, I don't really agree about your point that Sacramento is no longer a quality destination for coaches and players.  I believe that the Maloofs have very strong support within NBA circles because of the casino connections and their commitment to building a winning franchise (near-past missteps aside).  Geoff Petrie is regarded as one of the better GMs in the league.  LeBron James has said that if he were a free agent he would very seriously consider coming to Sacramento.

I have no idea how good or bad SVG will be, but if he is the first choice of Petrie and we land him, then I'll be happy.

by thekangarooster on Jun 6, 2007 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

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For a couple of marvelous years we had the best product in the NBA.  Maybe not the best team as evidenced by a lack of NBA championship banners hanging in the rafters of ARCO, but the best product.  Who was the hero going to be tonight?  C-Webb?  Peja?  Bibby?  Christie?  Divac?  B-Jax? Turkoglu?  Pollard?  Even guys like Lawrence Funderburke had their moments.  It was the golden age of Sacramento Kings basketball, and the freshness and purity of watching a woeful franchise ascend to the upper echelon of the NBA may never be matched.  But you can't have the highs if you can't take the lows.  This is now a team in rebuilding mode.  But it is also a team that contains players with trade value and players with promise, a far cry from the Pete Chilcutt days.  Yes, we have a ways to go, but it is not as bad as the early days, and anyone who dismisses the golden age as a failure because we did not win a championship should be ashamed of themselves.  I was at those games and had the time of my life, an even better time than wathching Jordan's Bulls in Chicago when they won their third title.  The Kings golden age was better, because the team was ours.  I've been a SF Giants fan since 1965, but my passion for the Kings is greater.  The Giants belong to San Francisco, the Kings belong to us.
Geoff Petrie has given me far few opportunities to question his decisions.  Musselman is one, and I guess Olivier St. Jean (Tariq Abdul Wahad) would be the next.  Not a bad track record against solid decisions to numerous to list.  I will support SVG if he is indeed our new coach, and I will look keenly for those glimmers of progress over the coming year.  That's my job, because that's my team.

by section214 on Jun 6, 2007 6:20 PM PDT reply actions  

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I just want to say great statement section. Can't find anything I disagree with said. Except for the Giants stuff. I'm an a's fan.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 6, 2007 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

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Pookey, if you are an A's fan then you are no stranger to highs and lows.

by section214 on Jun 6, 2007 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

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Yep thats true too. It's just that I'm not a fan of Billy Beane or think Moneyball captures the essence of the A's. I don't even like Eric Chavez for that matter. On the other hand I doubt I could ever root for Jeff Kent or Barry Bonds. Life is about circumstance. lol
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jun 6, 2007 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

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How could you not be a fan of Billy Beane? Moneyball or no Moneyball, the guy puts a quality product on the field every year.

by otis29 on Jun 6, 2007 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

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I have my reasons. It's not that Billy is a bad GM, which I have never and probably will never said, it's just that he isn't this ace in the hole that everybody thinks of him as. I'd much rather have Terry Ryan at this point.
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by pookeyguru on Jun 6, 2007 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

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