Bibby-to-Cleveland Back On The Table

by Tom Ziller on Jul 13, 2007 7:09 AM PDT in Free Agency/Trades

As gamely noted by section214 in the diaries, the Mike Bibby to Cleveland chatter has come back to the sunshine. The Bee's Sam Amick notes that Drew Gooden (the expected return) was hanging out with the Maloofs last night in Las Vegas, while the Akron Beacon Journal's Brian Windhorst says Damon Jones is a rumored pairing for Gooden in the return package.

There was apparently a three-team deal in place which would have brought Jackie Butler to Sacramento, but the Rockets took him off San Antonio's hands. That's a good clue, though: Geoff Petrie is looking for a young, affordable cog along with Gooden in order to give up Bibby.

For all your trade machine addicts, the minimum salary which needs to be added to Sacramento's incoming package is $3.7 million.

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Re: Bibby-to-Cleveland Back On The Table

Well Gooden would definitely be an improvement over the two-headed monster of Kenny Thomas and Reef though he is only a slightly above average power forward in my opinion. Now if Petrie could only find a way to move one of K9's or Reef's contracts. I think I would rather have Eric Snow rather than that ass clown Damon Jones come back as the other piece in the trade. This trade would be consistent with Petrie's desire to free up a lot of cash to be a player in the 08 free agency market as all the contracts involved expire in 2 years...

Damn you Robert Horry!!!

by chupacabra on Jul 13, 2007 8:04 AM PDT reply actions

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Can't we get Gibson and Newble instead of D.Jones???

Time to blow 'em up, boyz.

by kingme18 on Jul 13, 2007 8:04 AM PDT reply actions

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Newble is just under what they would need in additional contract to make the deal work, Gibson is way off. Both Jones and Snow work, and both have two years left on their contracts, Jones at $4.2 and $4.5 million and Snow at $6.7 and $7.3 million. Gooden has two years left at $6.4 and $7.1 million.
So my question is, why do this deal? We are not shortening contract or getting any real cap relief, and the key player that we're getting in return does not rebound at any better rate than K9 (woof!), or score at a better rate than 'Reef. And Gooden is not a shot blocker. I would prefer to see Justin Williams get the minutes, quite frankly. Perhaps the only benefit is creating a little more time for Cisco at the point and generating more shot opportunities for K-Mart.

by section214 on Jul 13, 2007 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions

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Gooden actually does rebound better than KT (14.6 per 48 vs. 12.8 per 48). Like you, I see no reason to do this trade unless KT goes too.

by Carl on Jul 13, 2007 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions

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Ditto. Doesn't help to have three mediocre PF any more than two.

by misterbrister on Jul 13, 2007 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions

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Drew Gooden is much better than an "average" power forward. I think he would be very good for the Kings. He doesn't need the ball like Kenny and Sharif do and he can score from the inside or outside. He rebounds better than either of our power forwards, especially on the offensive end. He is just as athletic as Kenny and as strong as Sharif. My only concern is having all three of them on the team. If only we could move Sharif or better yet Kenny with the trade. Extremely doubtful though.

He can shoot, and he looks great in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Jul 13, 2007 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions

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No sir, I don't like it. If K9 or SAR go then I'll begrudgingly accept. I shutter at the thought of having Damon Jones as our starting PG.

by Mityt on Jul 13, 2007 9:06 AM PDT reply actions

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I also would prefer shipping Bibby and Abdur-Rahim or Thomas to Miami for Haslem, Williams and Doleac

Time to blow 'em up, boyz.

by kingme18 on Jul 13, 2007 9:46 AM PDT reply actions

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This is pretty much the same trade that was proposed around the trading deadline. If it wasn't good enough back then, why pull the trigger now unless cleveland wants to sweeten the pot with a first round pick or by taking back one of our many bad contracts.

Damn you Robert Horry!!!

by chupacabra on Jul 13, 2007 9:55 AM PDT reply actions

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Meh. Gooden's a decent player, but we can't afford to gut the PG position to shore up PF--unless Petrie is confident that Cisco can run the point full time.

by SJP on Jul 13, 2007 10:11 AM PDT reply actions

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I dunno about this trade unless we can get Daniel Gibson and/or trade one of our PFs. I'd let this team play out 20 games or so before we make any drastic moves.

by coachtheus on Jul 13, 2007 10:14 AM PDT reply actions

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Why let it play for 20 more games? It didn't work with 82 games, it won't work for another 20. Theus ain't going to somehow make this team a playoff contender.

Time to blow 'em up, boyz.

by kingme18 on Jul 13, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions

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kingme you're absolutely wrong. theus can make us into a playoff contender. he's getting a fresh start with this roster, which is greatly needed at this point. everyone was so sick of muss that they would be pretty much be coached by anyone, and theus is a players' coach, which will make the players happy to play for him. also bibby, i gurantee, won't have a horrible season like last year. this is still a very talented offensive team and can put up some numbers, very similar to golden state last year (all offense with some-no defense.) i think that we can be in the 6-7-8 range with this roster and very much in the playoff picture. portland and seattle won't be good right away. who else is left at the bottom of the west.

also i don't want to do this trade because i don't want to sacrifice justin williams' and hawes' time for a reef kenny mixture in gooden. we should wait it out and see if this roster can make some noise with a fresh start.

when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??

by diehardkingsfan5 on Jul 13, 2007 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions

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Flaco K-Mart would be a fun pair to watch in the back-court. I say, "Go for it."

by NYCFan @ Sactown Royalty on Jul 13, 2007 10:30 AM PDT reply actions

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OK, so let's say you make the deal. If Miller, 'Reef and Gooden all get 25 minutes a night that leaves about 20 minutes for Justin Williams and Hawes to split, and K9 (woof!) does not play, which means he gets pissed off and terminates his contract at the end of the year...HOLY CRAP!!! I retract my earlier statement. Make the trade! Make the trade!!!

by section214 on Jul 13, 2007 10:38 AM PDT reply actions

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I don't think Thomas is going to terminate a contract because he ain't getting PT. Our best deal is to swing a Bibby-Cavs deal, then trade Abdur-Rahim or Thomas for Sura and Head.

Time to blow 'em up, boyz.

by kingme18 on Jul 13, 2007 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions

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im not sure how i'd feel about this. ive always liked gooden, even while he was in orlando. he's an effort guy, and he grabbed a good amount of boards while playing alongside lebron and big Z (who are good rebounders as well). but, like SJP alluded to...who will run the point?

one nice thing is that gooden doesnt demand the ball and can be effective well within the offense, since his scores seem to come from garbage baskets (putbacks etc.). if this trade goes through, with artest, kmart, and frisco, he'll have plenty of opportunities for those

by sactoreg on Jul 13, 2007 11:23 AM PDT reply actions

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No thanks on Gooden unless he gets that piece of shit on the back of his head removed.

by R3DLiN3 on Jul 13, 2007 12:28 PM PDT reply actions

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I don't quite understand why or how Mike Bibby is expendable at this time. Bibby and Martin play well together and it's not like Petrie made a good decision last year during the draft and landed one of the two point guards who would be ready to take over right now. This is trading just to make a move and smells of desperation. Wait for the season to get going, see who needs a point to get them over the hump, make them pay for it then and in the mean time make sure that Francisco can play the point well enough to make it through the rest of the season.

Just because the Cavs want Bibby doesn't mean the Kings should give him away to a team with very little assets outside of Labron James. Sure Bibby makes a lot of jack but who the fuck cares at this point, the kings are under the threshhold, they aren't going to win a championship this year or next so they might as well let this thing play out and be prime time players in the free agent market in two years. At least as fans we won't be forced to watch CBA basketball for the foreseeable future. Gooden and Jackie Butler? Give me a f@$#ing break!

Then again maybe this is further negotiations with the Knicks in an effort to force them to include David Lee in a deal for Artest by showing Isiah that the Kings can get the rebounding help they that need from another east contender. (Continuation of my growing conspiracy theory regarding the Kings Knick tade front)

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Jul 13, 2007 6:03 PM PDT reply actions