Kevin Martin's value
by busybe on Sep 1, 2007 11:51 AM PDT
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Kevin Martin's signing just got me thinking. Now that his value is set why not throw his name in with the Bibby/Artest trade ideas. My apologies, I actually like to hear all the wacky trades fans can think of, and as long as everyones is talking major changes let's put K-Mart/Speed Racer/Quik-E-Mart out there. I personally think his demeanor on the court seems like no more than a good 2nd/3rd star. If so, 5 years $55 mil. is a little high and his contract could turn into a minor albatros in the future(I hope he proves me wrong). Think of the quick fixes? a young up and comer? like Martin could attract:
MARTIN & Miller to Memphis for Gasol & Lowry; MARTIN & Miller to Indy for O'Neal; MARTIN & Shareef, Williams, Douby to Indy for O'Neal & Armstrong; MARTIN & Douby to Seattle for Wilcox, West, Wilkins; MARTIN & Douby to Orlando for Hedo, Arroyo, Redick.
Any of these sound good?
101+ Bibby, Artest, Miller, Thomas, Shareef trade possibilities and draft prospects to follow. This building a good roster is easy (from the computer with ESPN trade machine, etc).
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Re: Kevin Martin's value
That being said, I am amazed by those who already judge this kid as nothing more than a side kick when he only has one season under his belt as a starter, and that was under a coach that had seemingly little faith in him. Martin carved out quite the niche for himself last season in spite of beginning it as no better than the fourth option on offense (after the big three of Bibby, Artest and Miller). Martin shoots for a high percentage and gets to the line more than anyone the Kings have ever had at this young age. While he may ultimately wind up a #2 guy, I can't find any reason to categorically dismiss the possibility of him becoming the next Ray Allen or Michael Redd. And does anyone devalue Rip Hamilton for his timely yet team like contributions?
I say that you have to give SpeedRacer (copyright TZ, 2006) at least this year to grow, followed by the opportunity to lead once Bibby and Artest are jettisoned. By that time you will also have a better feel for what Cisco and Hawes (and maybe even Douby) will bring to the table, at which time you use all of your new found cap space to either build around Martin or bring in the new #1 guy to whom Martin will play side kick.
by section214 on Sep 1, 2007 1:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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I'm not sticking up for Musselman and i agree with most of your post but what do you mean by that? Musselman played him 36MPG last season..i'm pretty sure that was the team high.
by rimrock101 on Sep 1, 2007 2:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by section214 on Sep 1, 2007 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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There are two things Kevin have absolutely got to improve which are his rebounding and defense. Kevin needs to give up fewer three pointer than he did last year.
The Kings need to find a low post force for K-Mart inside so the Kings can form a tag-team. Hopefully we already found that inside force in Spencer Hawes for the near future.
by kingme18 on Sep 2, 2007 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Ziller on Sep 2, 2007 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Kusian on Sep 1, 2007 5:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by pookeyguru on Sep 1, 2007 6:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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What does the acronym "BYC" mean?
by Kusian on Sep 1, 2007 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by moproblemz on Sep 2, 2007 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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You make 10 million dollars a year. In order to get traded to a team while you're BYC the following must happen:
- The team MUST have cap room
- The team trading for the BYC player can only give HALF of the 10 million back (in this case 5 million)
- Only during certain times do players become BYC players. Rashard Lewis is 1 example. Kevin Martin is another.
by pookeyguru on Sep 2, 2007 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by pookeyguru on Sep 4, 2007 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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"If you were going to trade Martin, the time would have been before his contract extension, which would have enabled you to package his young inexpensive talent with one or more of the bloated contracts." --How do you highlight a previous post?
Wouldn't trading Martin(approaching the end of his contract and due a new, bigger contract) along with a bloated contract for equal value, just mean the other team would have to accept the bloated contract and resign SpeedRacer(copyright TZ, 2006)... meaning they'd owe way more in a year than what they traded away? I'm not sure other teams would be willing to do that. For example: Martin & Thomas to Milwaukee for Simmons would mean Sac would get Simmons for 3yrs @ 9.3 and Milwaukee would get Thomas for 3yrs @ 7.9 & Martin for 1yr @ 1.8-then 5yrs @ 11? I guess I'm just not impressed enough by Martin to think Milwaukee or whoever would do that trade. Now they'd get Martin for 5yrs @ 11? for Simmons and not have that bloated feeling(Thomas).
That being said, I guess the BYC makes this all a mute point. Sorry. I guess in 2 years we'll know whether Sac wants to get rid of Martin and his contract because last year was a fluke and he didn't quite develop Kusian's key ingredients, or he is an unquestionable star baby, yeah.
I just don't see him developing Kusian's first key ingredient: demanding the ball and, more importantly, coming through when it counts. His numbers are great(pts & %), but some players just don't have that ice water in their veins. Ask me and Webber never had that either. Oh, he got his numbers but...? It seems like I remember Bibby being the best(ice water=big contract) performer on their playoff runs. Also, I know Thomas is giving everyone that bloated feeling, but I was somewhat excited to get him in the Webber trade. I thought, he's undersized but he gives effort/gets rebounds. What happened to his scoring(jumper, FTs, layups for heavens sake). I hope he's a comeback player this year. For that matter I hope Bibby, Miller, Shareef are also.
Whatever, keep 'em intact...blow it up, just win!
by busybe on Sep 1, 2007 9:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Money talks in today's NBA. I don't see how Martin could "demand" the ball from the three guys that the team was built around, especially when the team had invested over $30 million in Artest/Bibby/Miller vs. the approximately $1.5 million spent on Martin. The front office has made it clear that Martin is a big part of this team's future. It would stand to reason that the coaching staff would follow suit and put Martin into the situation where he can "demand" the ball.
by section214 on Sep 1, 2007 10:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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MARTIN & Miller to Memphis for Gasol & Lowry
I'd rather wait for Brad's contract to expire and wait for Hawes to take over. Not a bad deal though but not at the expense of Martin
MARTIN & Miller to Indy for O'Neal
So what happens when JO's contract expires? Do we start from scratch again?
MARTIN & Shareef, Williams, Douby to Indy for O'Neal & Armstrong
Horrible
MARTIN & Douby to Seattle for Wilcox, West, Wilkins
I thought the last one was horrible. This is worst. Those are three mediocre players. At least Martin is a borderline All-Star
MARTIN & Douby to Orlando for Hedo, Arroyo, Redick.
No way
I've read in a Chicago forum that they think Martin's contract is fair and they expect Gordon to get the same or around 5 mil more (of course Deng would get more than both of them). If some people think that he's value is just about the same as Gordon, then why in the world would you trade for players like Hedo, Arroyo, Wilkins, Wilcox, etc.?
by kingme on Sep 2, 2007 12:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Ziller on Sep 2, 2007 10:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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