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Kirilenko, Anyone?

Whilst we're discussing our power forward situation (Shareef has tied up Justin Williams in the poll, somewhat suprisingly), we might as well mention Andrei Kirilenko's trade request.

The problem for AK-47 (and the Jazz) is that he's rather untradeable -- as in, there's no real salary match any team would be willing to give up for him. As for as the Kings go, Kirilenko's contract goes one year past those of Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas and Shareef Abdur-Rahim. AK'd certainly be a talent upgrade -- but I can't imagine Utah not getting a starting-level small forward in return. Unless you think Jerry Sloan's in the market for Ron Artest or John Salmons, a straight-up trade wouldn't make sense.

Would acquiring Kirilenko even make sense for the Kings? He's an all-World talent when he's right (see: Eurobasket this summer). But he's a damn expensive talent, and if you aren't contending you're really stressing your cap number with a dude that rich. In 2010/2011, you'd have Kirilenko and Kevin Martin making about $27 million between them. I think they'd be an awesome fit together... but I'm not sure that combo and a set of roleplayers (or maybe one other star-level player) take you to the promised land.

Salmons and KT (woof!) for AK works under the cap, but it won't work for Utah. I don't think you can part with Francisco Garcia while Artest's status is uncertain. I'm not sure Quincy Douby is enough of a sweetener for Utah. Kevin O'Connor would love the cap relief (Thomas comes off at least a year earlier than AK; Salmons makes only $5.8 million in 2011). But you don't trade an expensive All-Star for nothing (unless he's visiting strip clubs during bereavement leave, I guess). Brad Miller would be wasted in Utah; ditto Shareef or any other serviceable power forward. (That's the problem for AK, actually.) Martin's untouchable, Utah doesn't need Bibby and would've pursued Mikki Moore on its own if it wanted him. I see no combination of Kings which gets a phone call started. (And again, I'm not sure how necessary AK is in Sacramento.)

Do three-way possibilities exist? AK and Bibby are salary matches, and Bibby is wanted by at least Cleveland. What would Utah get in the exchange? A re-signed Sasha Pavlovic and what else? Could the Warriors get involved with their trade exception and/or Mickael Pietrus (who seems like a Sloan guy)? (Golden State doesn't want to take salary back, though.) It will be damn near impossible to get anything to work. AK seems like a Geoff Petrie project... but the logistics just don't square. Unless Utah wants Artest. Which I doubt.

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Re: Kirilenko, Anyone?
AK47 makes perfect sense for the Kings and a no-brainer 3 way trade exists.  Bibby to the Clippers.  Maggette and filler to the Jazz.  Kirilenko to the Kings.  Cassell and Brevin Knight won't get it done for the Clips.  The Jazz actually signed Maggette a few years ago until the Clips matched.  And AK-47 would add an immediate upgrade at power forward in Sac.  His stats have been down...but he's been playing out of position.  Put him at 4, add another scorer in the draft next year, and develop Cisco at point.  Cisco, Martin, Artest, AK-47, Miller/Hawes.  Yes, please.

by HardRockTroy on Sep 19, 2007 9:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Kirilenko, Anyone?
That's actually sort of brilliant. Who would the Kings start at point this year, though? Greene? Salmons? Garcia? I have no idea if Francisco can get there eventually... but I think putting him in such a spot at this point risks his career never developing. It's a big jump.

It also doesn't solve the endless gut of flawed power forwards here. Which is why I could also see Kirilenko to Sac, Artest/Thomas or Reef to LAC, Maggette and filler. Another problem: LAC doesn't have a lot of filler Utah'd be willing to take on.

by Tom Ziller on Sep 19, 2007 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

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Unless the filler was Cuttino Mobley, who could fill a need for a streaky shooter in Utah but has a pretty bad contract.

by Tom Ziller on Sep 19, 2007 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=61~434~497~566&teams=12~23~26~26&t e=&cash=

Bibby to LA, AK to Sac, Maggette and Mobley to Utah.

Saves Utah $19.4 million in payroll through 2011 (not including possible luxury tax), assuming Mags picks up his $8.4 million options next year. If Mags doesn't (it's iffy, I'd say), that's $27.8 million in savings for Utah. Is that incentive enough?

And is Kirilenko good enough for Petrie to reconfigure the rebuild?

And do the Clips even feel like trying this year, given Brand/Livingston's injuries?

Here's the lineups for each team given this deal:

Utah
Deron Williams/Jason Hart/Ronnie Price
Cuttino Mobley/Gordan Giricek(?)Morris Almond/CJ Miles(?)
Corey Maggette/Matt Harpring/Ronnie Brewer
Carlos Boozer/Paul Millsap
Mehmet Okur/Jarron Collins/Kyrylo Fesenko

LAC
Mike Bibby/Brevin Knight/Sam Cassell
Ruben Patterson/Quinton Ross
Tim Thomas/Al Thornton
Elton Brand (injured)/Paul Davis/Josh Powell
Chris Kaman/Aaron Williams
/(God, this roster's a mess)

Sacramento
John Salmons/Orien Greene or Mustafa Shakur
Kevin Martin/Quincy Douby
Ron Artest/Francisco Garcia
Andrei Kirilenko/Shareef Abdur-Rahim/Kenny Thomas
Brad Miller/Mikki Moore/Justin Williams/Spencer Hawes
God, that frontcourt's a mess

Again, I like the cleanliness of moving Bibby. But LA needs frontcourt help and the Kings need help cleaning out the frontcourt. I'd love to pair AK and Ron-Ron with Kevin and Brad. But moving Ron and a PF in such a deal makes more sense.

by Tom Ziller on Sep 19, 2007 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Kirilenko, Anyone?
I think if we do that deal, we'd at least have to ask the clips for jared jordan. obviously, he's slow and can't d up, but we could run out speedracer, ron-ron/cisco, AK, and Mikki and still have enough length and team speed to offset his deficiencies. Plus, it would be nice to have a pass first pg for once, even if he doesn't develop.  And AK plus Ron-Ron=very emotionally unstable opponents.
Proud to be TZ's hero.

by MILKSHAKE on Sep 19, 2007 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

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in addition to the emotionally unstable people guarding them...
Proud to be TZ's hero.

by MILKSHAKE on Sep 19, 2007 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Kirilenko, Anyone?
I don't know why Artest would NOT make sense in Utah. He plays hard-nosed defense. He's a stopper. Sloan loves guys who leave it on the court and D up.  He has good all around skills and can play defense against any position for short periods of time except maybe center or quick point guards. On offense I could see him playing more team ball if he didn't have to handle the ball much and with Deron, he wouldn't be handling the ball. The only problem with Artest is his off the court troubles but Sloan, if any coach, would seem to be the type of guy to keep him in line. Artest loves to win and seems to need that to be happy. He would do a lot of winning with Utah.
He can shoot, and he looks great in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Sep 19, 2007 10:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Kirilenko, Anyone?
Oh and as far as AK for the Kings. Yah, we don't need an athletic defensive minded shot blocker. Yes his salary is high but he should be a piece that we would NOT need or want to move. His defense would be very prized for the Kings.
He can shoot, and he looks great in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Sep 19, 2007 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Kirilenko, Anyone?
The problem with Artest in Utah is entirely based on offense. Ron never has to be a ball-handler; he likes to be the ball-handler. And chafing under a strictly system offense was what got him traded to Sacramento in the first place.

As far as off-the-court stuff: Utah was said to have signed Hart/Price instead of Dee Brown because Brown goes out a lot and was a bad influence on Deron. Pretty high standards there.

by Tom Ziller on Sep 19, 2007 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Kirilenko, Anyone?
also, Ron can opt out next year.

I've watched Kirilenko at Eurobasket and he was a load.

by cwebb on Sep 19, 2007 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

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I expect Kirilenko to stay in Utah. I don't think we can put a trade together and I don't think Petrie wants to put a trade together for Kirilenko. The only teams that make sense to me are the Lakers, Nets or the Suns.

I don't see us being able put together a package that would satisfy the Jazz.

Time to blow 'em up, boyz.

by kingme18 on Sep 19, 2007 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Kirilenko, Anyone?
i happen to like the mix of "talent" the team has now and think capturing lightning in a bottle for a lower seed playoff run will be more possible without a malnutritioned ivan drago
Whether your dominating the playground, the last one to leave the gym, or your big time like Mike Bibby...

by CrownUs93 on Sep 19, 2007 11:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Kirilenko, Anyone?
If you can get this deal done, it should be done. As much as I love Artest, he and anyone not named Kevin should be FedEx-ed to Utah ASAP. Preferably KT(no w***ing over here), Miller, then SAR. Bibby is an expendable asset, considering that Garcia is an adequate ball-handler and there's no way in hell we are making into the playoffs, god willing. The best I think we can hope for is a line-up consisting of:

Garcia
Martin(Is it just me or is speed racer a stupid nickname? Sorry, TZ.)
Kirilenko
SAR
Hawes

Let the kids play!

Once this team manages to lose 50+ games, look forward to the OJ Mayo sweepstakes and make it happen anyway if the lottery doesn't go our way.

by Psychrates on Sep 19, 2007 1:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Kirilenko, Anyone?
AK isn't coming here because Utah naively values him at a much higher price than anyone else. That's their problem though. I would be in favor of that deal if somehow it managed to see Kenny Thomas and SAR leave though.
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by pookeyguru on Sep 19, 2007 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Kirilenko, Anyone?
Exactly. Kick one of their sorry asses to the curb and cut to the losin'. I think I can deal with either/or loser PFs going. Just as long as ONE of 'em is gone. I had great hopes for SAR, and he's let me down terribly.

by Psychrates on Sep 19, 2007 3:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Kirilenko, Anyone?
How has he exactly fallen under your expectations?

by Tom Ziller on Sep 19, 2007 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

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When Webber went on the FA market, conventional wisdom was SAR was a poor man's C-Webb, an alternative if Webber had left as he threatened to. SAR was never going to to be a perennial all-star, but be able to contribute at a level just short of Webber's talent at a more reasonable price. Given SAR's career previous to his Kings stint, a position battle with KT(meow, get my drift?) is a sad underachievement for a player of his skill.

Plainly, it shouldn't have ever BEEN a position battle. Over both careers SAR is the better player by far statistically and fundamentally. Unfortunately his Kings tenure is not indicative of such.

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Sep 20, 2007 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Kirilenko, Anyone?
PS: Thanks for asking TZ, love your place.
The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Sep 20, 2007 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Kirilenko, Anyone?
I can't blame Reef for Kenny's petulance and Adelman/Musselman's caving into such. Per-minute, Reef played great in 2005-06. Last year, he was COMPLETELY misused. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt... though I'm worried because his prime has slipped away and he just had knee surgery.

by Tom Ziller on Sep 20, 2007 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Kirilenko, Anyone?
I'd say he does pretty well for an mle guy who failed a physical for another team before we signed him. I'd rather have him on my team at his price than the several players on our team. Plus hollinger predicts a rise in PER this year.
Proud to be TZ's hero.

by MILKSHAKE on Sep 19, 2007 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Kirilenko, Anyone?
My first response is hell no. He showed last year that he can be a bit of a head case, and do you want to invest 13.7/15.1/16.5/17.8 million dollars over the next four years on a head case?

My second response is that if Utah wanted to trade their problem for our problem(s), why not? If a trade involved K9 (woof!) and say Salmons then you are only adding a couple of million per year plus the fourth year, by which time he's either worth the money or he's an expiring contract.

My third response is that nothing is going to happen, so why burn any more neurons?

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by section214 on Sep 19, 2007 8:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Kirilenko, Anyone?
I cannot determine who was last-season's villian in the Jazz-Kirilenko soap opera. Kirilenko's public outcries make him look pretty bad, although I've heard that Sloan can be churlish and belittles his more emotionally open players with that retro fitted idea of what a man is supposed to be.  My main concern is the Kings taking on another black-hole player we'll inevitably be bitching about when he's thrity one, past his prime, and swallowing more money the team will need to acquire an all-star in his mid twenties.  Kinda like Brad Miller now, or SAR, or Poodle, or...fill in the blank with your favorite player to bitch about, just remember they are cheaper and their contracts expire sooner.  

by NYCFan @ Sactown Royalty on Sep 20, 2007 5:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Kirilenko, Anyone?
I'm pretty sure Brad Miller has aged harder than anyone in the NBA EVER!  I mean he went from All-Star/Olympic player, to complete washout in one year...  That just doesn't happen as often as you would think.  I am guessing his complete lack of off-season conditioning has something to do with that.

by moproblemz on Sep 20, 2007 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Kirilenko, Anyone?
Well, I think TZ posted recently that Miller (along with Bibby) has been at the training facility for more than a month already.  So, maybe Reggie et al sent him a message that he either steps up or rides pine.  Let's hope so because your assessment is accurate. His drop off was HUGE.  Now it might have been the injury....let's hope so.

by Kusian on Sep 20, 2007 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

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