Blaaargh

by Ziller on Jan 16, 2008 6:47 PM PST in Recaps Comment 27 comments

Mike Bibby can fix a lot of things: Your three-point shooting numbers, a leaky faucet, a neat martini.

But Mike Bibby cannot fix your defense.

ORtg eFG%
ORL 112.4 .520
MEM 114.1 .601
IND 114.4 .544
DAL 125.0 .643
TOR 126.1 .591

Egads.

In brighter news, Spencer Hawes has no hair.

The world is a better place tonight. Thank you, Demon Barber of Toronto.

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That has to be the easiest recap

you've done in a long long time.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jan 16, 2008 6:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

What a coincidence

After tonight's game I have no hair left either - and I mean in a Mr. Bigglesworth sort of way (aah, soak that in).

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jan 16, 2008 6:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

You never cease to amaze me.

A Mr. Bigglesworth reference, excellent.

Hawes initially made me think of a shorn scrotum but Mr. Bigglesworth is probably a little more P.C.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Jan 16, 2008 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Shorn scrotum

In my world that's redundant (aah, soak that in!).

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jan 16, 2008 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Spencer's Hair

Listening over the internet, they said Mike Bibby did that to Spencer's hair. This might be old news to you, but I was not aware until tonight.

by spragueito on Jan 16, 2008 7:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Spencer's hair?

Not old news at all. Thanks for at least one explanation for my WTF? reaction.

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Jan 16, 2008 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm watching the Bucks-Hawks game tonight. The Hawks are not making shots tonight, and I think because of the lack of asset's Danny Ferry has, and if there is any interest on the Hawks part, then Petrie has to take advantage of this. What the Hawks need is a guy who can consistently hit open shots from the outside. Mike Bibby is available. I've said this before I realize, but any team with expendable assets like Atlanta that needs a veteran guy to put them over the top should look at Bibby. The question is will Petrie stomach the return. I hope so for the Kings sake. That's all I'm going to say.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jan 16, 2008 7:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

The newbie dreams a little dream

Looks like I'm the second lurker posting this week. But after that game, geez, I have to say something.

TRADE ARTEST! David Lee, expiring contracts/draft picks, half a bag of stale Doritos and a flat diet coke, whatever.

Am I the only one who noticed how he neutralized Kevin Martin, jacked up stupid shots, dribbled into triple teams and brought our offense (such as it was) to a screeching halt? No appreciable upgrade on D, unless you count his fouls, which equalled his point total. He doesn't fit with the offense we've been running, and he truly thinks of himself as THE star/savior of the team. He'll be gone at the end of this year anyway, so trade him now.

My dream line-up?
Beno at PG
Bibby at 2
Martin at 3
Salmons at 4
Miller at 5

First 3 off the bench: Garcia, Jones and Moore.

We run, we gun, we slash, we pass and we have reasonable D, though Bibby will always be a defensive liability. He got TOTALLY outplayed by Calderon tonight.

And I agree with whoever said Jones being inactive didn't make any sense. K9 hasn't seen action in weeks. He should ALWAYS be the default inactive guy.

So, yeah, I jump in here with both feet, but seriously, TRADE ARTEST!!!

Don't make me come in there!

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 16, 2008 8:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Welcome

Not a Bibby fan but I agree with everything else you said.

Welcome to the suck.

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Jan 16, 2008 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

United We Stand!

While I am still not ready to comment on tonights crappy game (1 glass to go!), its great to see a fellow lurker speak their mind! Welcome, and be heard!

Wow, just read your post (got to love responding before even reading). You've made some good points. This team needs to trade Artest. I would actually call us a winner in the Artest for Doritos and flat-coke trade. Dont get me wrong, Artest is a great player, BUT, wrong team, wrong time. This is the definition of addition by subtraction. I feel just as strongly about Bibby. I will never dislike Mike, he is one of my ATF Kings. But this team will be worse with him, and also make him look worse than he is.
And why is K9 active? Is there a rule requiring him to sit on the bench to be overpaid? Why not just send him home inactive.

Ok, my ideal starting 5
Beno
Martin
Salmons
Miller (clearly a power (point) forward at this point)
3-Will (he doesnt need to score, just defend and rebound)
Add Garcia, Moore and Jones off the bench. Oh yah, Douby too just so I can continue to make overly obvious puns about his name. He even looks like Snoop!

Let's have a lurker-coming out party. The Kings have some of the best fans in sports, and we should stand together! (I know how pathetic that was, but give me a break, it is election season)

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jan 16, 2008 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Trade Artest

Trade Artest. He's a great individual player but he's gotta go.

I would just keep Bibby rather than Artest(trust me I go back & forth) because I like the idea of the old days when players stayed longer, hitched their name to a team, and had a stake in it's success over many years. I wouldn'd keep him for a popular name, I don't think his name's that popular in the NBA anymore. Although the teams that want him(Cleveland, Miami, etc?) want him for exactly the things that can really benefit the Kings. I think Artest wants to be 'the man' and make this 'his team' as evidenced by all the times he controls the ball as if he's the only one who will make the great play. Didn't happen enough. Artest has great skills to offer, but he seems to be using the Kings to showcase his skills...Bibby may actually want to make it work here for the Kings. Wherever and whenever Ron Ron wins a title it'll be because he made it happen. I think Bibby would truly be happy for the city of Sac and the organization for any success.

These were some of my comments in August! After reading your post I felt inclined to agree. These comments were before Salmons broke out and started fitting in so well. I've accused him of dominating the ball and forcing it also but he seems past that.I don't think Artest will ever get past that in Sac. Maybe he would on a team in a bigger market with more undeniable star power, but I think he sees Sac as a lower level team that he'll save. TRADE ARTEST.

by busybe on Jan 17, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

artest =

salmons - driving skills + somewhat better perimeter D + offensive gridlock

by misterbrister on Jan 17, 2008 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll be a Tom-Turkey-Lurkey too, I guees...

Preferred line up:
Udrih
Martin
Artest
Miller
Shawes

Bench: Salmons, Garcia, Williams

Winning this year ain't conducive to future championships, so I say let the youngsters play, run the season into the ground, and stop using commas.

Seriously, wins this season will do nothing but impede this franchise draft-wise(in what universe does that system make sense?) and prolong my self-inflicted misery at having it all and losing it to a balky knee. Thankfully I missed tonight's travesty. On the other hand this probably isn't going to be the worst beating we'll take this season.

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Jan 16, 2008 9:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

My preferred lineup

Dwight Howard
Tim Duncan
LeBron James
Kobe Bryant
Steve Nash

Hey, 27freethrows wasn't the only one drinking tonight.

Sactown Royalty - where one man's lurker is another man's stalker.

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by section214 on Jan 16, 2008 9:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Mike shot well

but how many times did he break down the defense and finish for a lay-up or set up somebody for an easy dunk?

Bibby can shoot. That's it. I don't think he's finished at the basket since 2004.

by Kusian on Jan 16, 2008 10:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

More likely to break down on defense

This is as true as it gets. Bibby has evolved in to a eon dimensional SG. Granted, he is a great clutch shooter, but thats about it.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jan 16, 2008 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The league is on to Reggie Theus.

The clever zone that worked so well before is now the angel of death. My only frustration is even bad defense gets lucky on occasion and the Kings are getting torched by every Tom, Dick and Harry in the league.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Jan 16, 2008 10:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

the zone

I like the zone a lot in the right situation. Last night was not one of those situations. You don't play zone on a team that shoots lights out from the outside. That is Basketball 101.

The other problem with the King's zone is that they simple rotate really, really, really, S....L....O....W. There is almost zero defensive anticipation.

While I am ranting is there anything worse than the half-assed double team that leaves the 3 pt shooter wide-open and doesn't bother the post guy one tiny bit?! We get stuck in no man's land on double teams all the fucking time. Or we feel the need to double team a guy who doesn't need it in order to leave a really good shooter wide-open.

The D is regressing the past couple of weeks. Luckily, we are scoring, but you can't count on that all the time.

by Kusian on Jan 17, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Zero in the assist column

Mike Bibby. Not a point guard. No assists tonight. Good spot-up shooter.

Beno. Not a great shooter. Very good floor general. Adequate finisher.

Douby. Not a point guard. Seriously. Not.

If we trade Bibby, we have to get a back-up for Beno. But I'd prefer to keep him unless we can get real value for him. Someone who will help us now, because Bibby can help us now.

Artest is slowing us down. Absolutely the wrong team for him. I agree, he's a good player. But he doesn't fit.

I'm not sold on 3-Will, and Shawes needs a LOT of work. And Mikki needs 6 hours a day of someone throwing a basketball at him and for every 3 he misses in a row, he runs suicides. K9 is a total waste of a uni. Miller is the one bright spot in the over-6' 10" crowd. But he's overmatched against most of the league's elite big men.

Maybe if we just went with all-small.

Beno
Bibby
Martin
Garcia
Salmons

Douby, Jones and Miller coming off the bench.

I'm not serious about them starting together, but for stretches, it could give some teams fits.

We need a big who can guard an elite big and will rebound.

It's late, and I'm calling it a night. You boys don't stay up too late or drink too much.

Don't make me come in there!

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 16, 2008 10:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

While that line up could not defend anyone

it would be hard to defend.

Cheers.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Jan 16, 2008 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Phoenix doesn't defend anyone.

The Kings small ball team can score with anyone. And let's not forget that Beno averages only 4.8 assists per game because this is a one on one basketball team. Let's give Bibby and Beno a few games to work this whole thing out before we start counting assist totals. Bibby wanted to show that he could still hit the big shot and I think we are all convinced that he can after last night; now lets see if he can fit in.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Jan 17, 2008 7:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Artest Must Go

Great player. Wrong team.

He would be great on a Detroit or New York. Not here though. He needs to be on a great rebounding team so he can play SF and stay on the perimeter. He takes shots and plays away from Bibby, Martin, Udrih, Salmons and Miller by hogging the ball. The perfect team for him is a team like San Antonio. Great point guard and PF/C to play around. Then he can do his dirty work on defense and get open looks on offense. On our team, he is just in everyones way on offense. When he is on, we win, when he is off...

Our record when he takes more than 17 shots a game is not good. We need to keep the ball in Beno's, Salmons' and Miller's hands to create. For us to excel, Artest needs to be an offense finisher, not an offense starter.

He can shoot, and he looks great in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Jan 16, 2008 11:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs