Petrie and Ferry Discussed Anderson Varejao

by Tom Ziller on Jan 7, 2008 11:07 AM PST in Free Agency/Trades

Brian Windhorst trotted out a posthumous scoop yesterday: Sacramento was one of the teams who discussed sign-and-trade possibilities for Anderson Varejao earlier this season.

That'd be the third time Geoff Petrie's had concrete talks with Danny Ferry since last winter. Windhorst reports Cleveland still looks to be very interested in Mike Bibby, who comes back in a week.

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Oh, please no

Please, please, PLEASE, not that guy.

Four sets of numbers, two for Kenny Thomas and two for Varejao:

28 min .505 FG%, .676 FT%, 7.5 RB, .5 BK, 9.1 PTS
23 min .476 FG%, .513 FT%, 6.1 RB, .3 BK, 5.3 PTS
24 min .476 FG%, .616 FT%, 6.7 RB, .6 BK, 6.8 PTS
28 min .506 FG%, .593 FT%, 8.2 RB, .4 BK, 7.4 PTS

The only caveat is I threw out Kenny's current season because he's not getting any minutes. Can anyone tell one guy from another? Aren't we all in agreement that Kenny is a bum?

Varejao is undersized, doesn't block shots, has few offensive skills and is only a good (not great) rebounder. Plus, he thinks he's a $10 million a year player. No thanks.

by Carl on Jan 7, 2008 11:52 AM PST reply actions

Varejao is not the player the Kings need. On a side note, if we do trade Bibby, we have got to find another backup PG. Right now we have a major drop-off when Udrih sits. (I shiver thinking how much we would suck right now if we hadn't signed him.) The perpetually lost Douby is NOT a point guard, and while Garcia can bring the ball up, he isn't either.

by SavageBeast on Jan 7, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions

so....

Are you implying that you think Beno is a starting PG in this league for years to come?? I would much prefer to see him be an effective player off he bench getting 25+ minutes a night!

by Hoops916 on Jan 7, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions

Why not?

Is there something preventing him from being a starting PG in the league? The guy is 25 and is getting his first shot at consistent minutes. Why pigeonhole him as a bench PG?

by otis29 on Jan 7, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions

agreed

Beno is not a bench player. This guy is going to be in the league a long time and will certainly be a starter. He needs to work on the TO rate, but I still prefer him to Bibby for this team. He's going to get a hell of a lot more expensive next year.

by Kusian on Jan 7, 2008 4:47 PM PST up reply actions

Is Beno a bench player?

Not for us at the moment. Beno is not just our starting PG, he is our only PG. When Bibby comes back, we have options, start Beno, start Bibby, play them both together. But if we trade Bibby we are in the position we are in now, of when Beno sits, no one can safely play the point. So what I am saying is that, if we trade Bibby we must get another PG.

by SavageBeast on Jan 8, 2008 2:41 PM PST up reply actions

Kings a Different Team with Douby, Jones

I wouldn't be so quick to write off Douby even as a point guard. Pairing with Dahntay Jones, the Kings have started to push the ball and be more up-tempo, and the defense really shines with those two in the lineup together.

We were up 1 with momentum in our favor when those guys left the floor against the Bulls, and we know how that turned out.

I do agree that Varejao is not who we need. He would not represent much of an upgrade from Mikki. We need a solid shot blocker and rebounder, not a Kenny Thomas clone.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 7, 2008 1:23 PM PST reply actions

I will

I'll write him off. He's got terrible court vision - doesn't see the passing lanes AT ALL. The offense looks terrible when he's at point. He looked OK the other night because he was shooting the lights out - the thing he should be doing coming off the bench. He's got decent handles, but the guy is much, much better as a 2. He simply doesn't have a PGs instincts.

by Kusian on Jan 7, 2008 4:50 PM PST up reply actions

Re: Varejao

Can the Cavs even deal him by the deadline?

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by section214 on Jan 7, 2008 1:29 PM PST reply actions

Nope

They cannot trade him this year, since they signed him so late.

I believe the waiting period is 45 days after signing (not positive about the length) and would push him beyond the trade deadline.

by smgmatt on Jan 7, 2008 1:52 PM PST up reply actions

It's 90 days, not 45

I was wrong about the length; see my comment below.

by smgmatt on Jan 8, 2008 6:26 AM PST up reply actions

No

I believe he's stuck for the year; regardless, if it didn't work in November, it wouldn't likely work now.

Note to everyone: This was when Varejao was holding out.

by Tom Ziller on Jan 7, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions

Are you staying Varejao is stuck

because he's a BYC player? If so then I agree. I don't see how there is an ironclad rule against trading him.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 8, 2008 2:05 AM PST up reply actions

There IS such an "ironclad" rule...

From HoopsWorld:
Anderson Varejao cannot be traded this season since he was just signed as a free agent (the three month waiting period expires after the February trade deadline). Other recently signed players fit the same bill - like the Clippers' Richie Frahm.

Emphasis mine.

There's also some interesting information in that link about "automatic" No Trade Clauses for certain types of contracts, although that doesn't apply to Varejao.

by smgmatt on Jan 8, 2008 6:24 AM PST up reply actions

The only active no trade clause in the L

is Kobe Bryant's.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 8, 2008 12:39 PM PST up reply actions

As opposed to K9(woof!),

...who seems to have a "can't trade" clause.

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by section214 on Jan 8, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions

Again, you make me laugh.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Jan 9, 2008 12:16 AM PST up reply actions

That's why I said "automatic"

Don't know if you read the link or not, so here it is:

No Trade Clause: Much was made of Kobe Bryant's lone trade clause this summer, but it ends up he's not the only player in the league with that power. In fact it's the Los Angeles Lakers own Chris Mihm cannot be traded without his approval. There's a technical rule in which a player signed to a one-year deal by a team that has his Bird Rights is granted a trade veto.

While Mihm signed a two-year deal, the second is a player option. As such the rule applies.

Another rule affords Charlie Bell of the Milwaukee Bucks a no-trade clause - since the Bucks matched the offer sheet the Miami Heat gave him this summer.

Sounds like a CBA issue, which I found very interesting (and thus commented on). Kobe may be the only player who requested one, but he's not the only player with the power to veto a trade.

So the answer to the Aflac Trivia question: "Who has a no-trade clause in the NBA?" is Kobe Bryant, Chris Mihm, and Charlie Bell.

by smgmatt on Jan 9, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions

That requires further investigation

I was reading through Larry Coon's FAQ and while your point is easily understandable, the flip side is the only mention of that point is when a player is on his 5th year tender contract offer. Maybe Charlie Bell was, but I know for a fact Mihm wasn't.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 9, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions

Chris Mihm has been in the NBA since 2000

and Charlie Bell has had stints dating back to 2001. I wonder what that guy on Hoopsworld (which I haven't always found their info credible) was really talking about or referring to.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 9, 2008 3:01 PM PST up reply actions

Looks like Larry Coon's FAQ agrees with HoopsWorld

85. When can't a player be traded? Can players be given "no-trade" clauses in their contracts?
...
...[T]eams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:
...
Without the player's consent when the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, the team loses its Larry Bird/Early Bird rights, and the player is considered a Non-Bird free agent. Note: when there is an option year involved, they can get around this regulation by invoking the option prior to the trade.

This is the case for both Mihm & Bell, as they fall under the "Bird Rights" & "1-year Deal" categories. The "5th year tender" is included in this, but not the only scenario.

Thanks for referring me to Larry Coon's FAQ though, I find it an incredible resource that I'm shocked I didn't know about before now. It took me much longer than it should have to find this, because I kept getting distracted reading other entries that I found interesting.

That said, I'm going back to that FAQ to check it out some more!

by smgmatt on Jan 10, 2008 6:55 AM PST up reply actions

'm glad you found Larry's FAQ

If you want some reading look up Dan Rosenbaum's site too. There's an interesting site.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 10, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions

Look past the numbers

Anyone who has watched a few Cavs game knows what Varejao brings to the game. He has certainly never filled the stat sheets, but he brings a lot. He's a fairly solid defender, and the absolute definition of a hustle/energy guy. Part of the big debate during his holdout (particularly discussed on TrueHoop) was how do you determine compensation for a guy who doesn't give you stats? Ultimately, I think it boils down to the fact that only your hometown crowd truely sees all that you do (much like we appreciate Kevin Martin far more than the rest of the league), so there won't be any outside interest to drive your price up.

In Geoff we trust...

by Exhibit G on Jan 7, 2008 2:36 PM PST reply actions