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Impressions from Preseason #2: Sacramento 94, Oklahoma City 85

 

* Spencer Hawes gained back a lot of faith, which is a somewhat sad commentary on the fickle nature of human emotion. One game shouldn't be enough for his teammates and some fans to screech, and one game shouldn't be enough for everyone to congratulate him. I enjoyed his performance, but there's a really long way to go.

* Similarly, kudos to Bobby Brown. His game reminds me of mid-career Mike Bibby. (Every point guard reminds me Mike Bibby!) But there's a long way to go. Not to besmirch the good name of Earl Watson, but dude wasn't even awake out there. Brown did good things, but the defense against him was lax even by preseason standards.

* Kevin Martin is going to be an absolute monster this season.

* Shelden Williams had a great defensive game, but his offense is painful to watch. He came out on the efficient end of the stick tonight (7 points on 6 shooting possessions, with 3 turnovers) thanks to drawing fouls, but his time in Atlanta seems to have shook him so much he's afraid to take it strong. On almost every shot, he's going straight up or backing away. When those whistles stop coming, he's going to need to be able to finish. If he can't, he's a liability ... despite his excellent rebounding.

* There's no reason the Kings should go on a long scoreless streak when Francisco Garcia is in the game. He needs to get the ball when the system breaks down -- he can create for himself and others. Instead, Donté Greene and Jason Thompson and Williams passed it amongst themselves. It didn't work.

* During halftime, Grant Napear hung the criticism of Hawes around the necks of fans and the media. It was refreshing to see Chuck Person immediately clarify (without being disagreeable) that the players and coaches were the ones who were vocally disappointed with Hawes. Sure, fans were disappointed, and I imagine a bunch of them called Napear's show. But the folks Sam Amick quoted for Thursday's paper were Mikki Moore, Reggie Theus and Beno Udrih ... not fans. And I don't recall Marty McNeal quoting ticket holders, either.

* Four factors:

Pace Eff eFG FT/FG OREB% TOr
OKC 92.0 92.4 38.8% 18.0 35.8 14.1
SAC 102.2 47.9% 32.9 23.1 16.3

Terrible defensive rebounding on the whole, though things stayed cleaner when it was Thompson and Williams on the floor. Thompson looks like he'll be a pretty good rebounder at this level.

* Next game's Sunday against the Evil Empire.

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What I hope for...

1. Nice game for Spencer and Bobby but I’d like to see that more than just once.

2. Eventually I’d like to see John, Kevin and Francisco to combine for 20 rebounds a game assuming the trio sees at least 28 minutes a game.

3. I’d like to see Brad (10) , Mikki (7), Spencer (7) , Jason (4) and Shelden (4) combine for 30-35 rebounds a game. Assuming Brad and Mikki play 30+ mins, Spencer plays 25 minutes and Jason and Shelden each get around 10.

3. Bobby Jackson get dealt at the deadline for a less valuable expiring deal and a draft pick like what Sam Presti did in the offseason with Kurt Thomas.

4. Shoot at least 80% from the free throw line.

5. We gotta be forcing turnovers if we’re going to overpowered inside.

6. Keep opponents under 45% shooting from the field and give up less three’s.

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Oct 11, 2008 8:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait...

You’re telling me that Peaches is a complete moron? You should lead with that headline TZ, it’s breaking news of the highest caliber. Seriously, can we start a petition or something?

Overall, I really appreciate these breakdowns. I don’t get to see the games out here in Colorado, and my computer sucks ass and I’m unable to to watch anything online.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Oct 11, 2008 9:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't get it

I thought this new Kings team was supposed to be a running, fast breaking team? I did not see that last night. I saw a lot of Brown at the top of the key passing to players who had nothing else to do but take a jumper. I did not see much pushing the ball up the floor. Is this what Theus was promising? Why is this any better than the Artest offense?

Still it’s good to see Spencer answering back, even though it was against a crappy team. Salmons too but he still needs to step up even more in my opinion. Green had a miserable game. Garcia looked like a rookie again.

by KingsFan on Oct 11, 2008 10:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Observations
  • It’s hard to complain about Hawes 21 point, 7 rebound performance. I tried to be the voice of reason in his last performance, and I’m going to tamp down expectations on this one. The good: Hawes came out and played with confidence and hit his shots. He was also reasonable on the boards and his overall numbers were very good. The bad: 80% of his scoring came from the perimeter. He took a three pointer and another shot with his foot on the line. He’s still playing too far from the basket and is a black hole on offense. That’s fine if he can make jump shots every night, but I don’t think that’s realistic. Overall, it’s great the Spencer went out with something to prove and did so. But he still has a ways to go.
  • Better ball movement and more assists though the competition wasn’t really, really poor.
  • Bobby Brown looked as good as you could possibly expect an undrafted player to look. If he keeps this up, he absolutely is going to have to get minutes. Beno has two different injuries in the first week, so I don’t think the team can afford to send Brown to Reno. Four turnovers is way too many, but two of those four were correctable rookie mistakes.
  • Beno has already been injured twice in the first week. Bad sign.
  • Shelden Williams is making a good push for minutes. His offense is poor, but the defense and rebounding are there.
  • Jason Thompson’s primary problem is that he’s rushing his shots. It may take a while for him to get over that, but I’m sure he will.
  • Donte Greene gets an incomplete for this game. I’d like to see more than one rebound in 23 minutes. I think he’s still figuring out where he needs to be on the floor.
  • It was obviously a better outing than last time, but all the young players have a long way to go. It’s good that Theus is getting them game minutes now so he (and we) can see what they’re capable of doing.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Oct 11, 2008 10:56 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

But you can’t really criticize Spencer for taking those outside shots, because he was wide open on just about every single one. On his very first shot you could almost see the indecision in his head: “Got the ball, better go inside with it… wait, crap, I’m wide open!” and he took it and made it beautifully.

Having an outside game as strong as his is a big plus since it opens up the paint for others, but I will say that there’s really no reason at all for him to be taking three pointers. But if he’s open on the outside (as he was so often), he should definitely take the shot. If they’re guarding him outside, he needs to go at it inside, and I feel like he did just that.

However, I know that it’s a lot prettier from a Kings fan’s point of view to see a big guy on the block pounding in the paint than it is to see a seven footer stroking jumpers. I think both styles have the potential to be equally effective, but God knows we’ve seen plenty of the latter

by jeremy548 on Oct 11, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

I agree. I want to be mild in my criticism. Spencer played a very good game, and you’re right that many (but not all) of his shots were open looks. He started in the block and sort of moved out from there. My point was that I want to see a better mix of low and high post. I will say that the mix was better in this game than in the last one. Spencer’s bounceback is encouraging, and like I said before, he’s only 20, so he’s got forever to learn to play the game.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Oct 11, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love the inside game

Spencer has got all the moves inside. His footwork is amazing for a 20 year old big man. When he starts putting 2, 3, and 4 different moves/fakes on guys, it reminds me of vintage McHale. (Disclaimer: not saying Spencer is ever going to be anywhere near as good as McHale. I just see a similarity with the great inside moves. The thing about McHale was that besides being skilled he was also a pretty tough dude. Easy to forget his brilliance with Bird overshadowing him.)

by Kusian on Oct 11, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correction

Should say: competition WAS really, really poor

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Oct 11, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Observations
  • Hawes isn’t always going to make those outside shots at such a high percentage. Now, he’s gone against a dominant low post center and against the worst team in the conference. I suspect his performance will normally be somewhere in between.
  • Alot more ball movement. I still haven’t seen this modified triangle. Not a lot of cutting, screening and not that many open jumpers except with Martin.
  • Greene & Thompson are what the are. Rookies who will get better with PT. The disadvantage that they are having now, is that they aren’t playing with the starters. Thompson is getting most of his minutes playing with Moore & Williams. Once the rotations start to settle , they’ll get used to playing with guys on a regular basis, and the offense should stabilize.
  • Shelden is what he is. He’s the PF with the defensive skills we all dreamed about, but with limited offense. Everyone said that when he was drafted. He has shown a willingness to drive the the basket although without complete success. But, just like JT, once the other players learn how to get them the ball at a place they can work from, I think that their offenses’ will get better. I personally would take 10 & 10 from both of them this year. We already have alot of outside scorers and players who can drive to the rim.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Oct 11, 2008 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that's asking a bit too much
I personally would take 10 & 10 from both of them this year.

10 & 10 from JT + 10 & 10 from Shelden? I don’t see how that’s possible, even if you give 0 minutes to Mikki. Maybe 10 & 10 total for JT + Shelden, backing up Mikki.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 11, 2008 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

Carl, I’d love to read even more of your observations. Through the first two preseason games you’ve provided us with insightful observations that are critical yet fair, insightful yet not homer-ish. I’m really hoping for a Carl fanpost recapping the entire preseason once it’s finished.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Oct 11, 2008 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Messing up my laziness quota

Hey man, I’ve got a laziness quota to hit here…

I’m really interested in the team this year. Having so many young players on the team means that every night is unpredictable. Some nights these guys are going to look like bums (Hawes) and other nights like stars (Hawes). It’s fun to watch young players develop and bookend every bonehead play with something spectacular. So yeah, I’ll keep notes and wrap up the preseason at the end. No promises for the regular season though.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Oct 11, 2008 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You a genius Carl

Why you tryin to hide homez?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Oct 11, 2008 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give Hawes a break

He is only 20.

He Must keep working the paint though.

He was wide open outside because he Was outside.

eternal skeptical optimist

by lietothegirls on Oct 11, 2008 3:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hawes' ability to stick the perimeter jumper

would be huge and nothing but a positive if the Kings had a power forward that could play in the low post.

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by section214 on Oct 11, 2008 4:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

More Observations...

Spencer Hawes-Looked good. His shot was falling from outside and that seemed to give the rest of his game a boost. I liked that he got a few buckets inside. He still needs to do more here. Same criticism as everyone else: he needs to get closer to the bucket. Also, he needs to act more decisively on the block. Three and four pump fakes gives the defense time to collapse (it worked against OKC last night but he’ll ge killed against better competition). Also, Shareef needs to teach him how to mix in a drop step every once in a while. It will help make the hook more effective, and it is a stronger move because you’re going towards that basket rather than falling away, which enables you to clean up if you miss your first shot.

Bobby Brown—Looked great. I was happily suprised. This enables us to deal with the Beno injury situation without completely falling apart, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he started to steal minutes if Beno keeps this “slight muscle pull” crap up.

JT—I liked that he was acive, but he really needs to develop some moves closer to the basket that he can count on. (And driving left and putting up a contested floater doesn’t count).

Donte Greene—Needs to learn how to score when his outside shot isn’t falling. He was one of the few bright spots against Portland, but he gave us precious little against OKC. He’s young and inconsistent. No big suprise there. Much like Spence, though, when the J isn’t falling, he needs to learn to move in closer to the hoop and get to the line.

Cisco—Stunk up the joint. The other bright spot from the Portland game didn’t fair well. Forced shots. Didn’t play within himself. Again when the jumper isn’t falling, he needs to contribute on D, with rebounding, and I didn’t see that much.

Sheldon—Loved the rebounding and defense. I think he has a place on the team. I wish he would go hard to the rim after an offensive board. Try to dunk it and make them foul you.

Everyone else—KMart still looks like he can play a little. Brad didn’t score, but the offense always seems to work so much better when he’s in the ballgame. Mikki didn’t leave much of an impression. BJax—see Mikki.

by R-Man on Oct 11, 2008 7:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My observations...

Spencer- It was great to see him have a good showing. It seemed like he payed attention to all the criticism that he got over the last couple of days. Good for him. But I’m not getting excited considering it was against Joe Smith and a considerable worse team. But good for him. He still has a long way to go. Now let’s see if he can keep it up…

Bobby Brown- I was suprised by how good he really was. He looked good. He had 4 turnovers, but he can learn from those hopefully. I makes things a lot easier with “injury-prone” Beno.

JT- Rushed way too many shots. He needs to slow down, like most rookies do. He had good energy though, and looks like he’ll be a decent rebounder. He was also decent on defense. Lot of potential with him.

Donte’- Was ineffective and fell back to earth with a thud. He also rushed way to many things and tried to do too much, which was evident when he ran into Shelden while Shelden was trying to get position.. He’s scary athletic, so he needs to stop relying on the outside shot so much. I think he’ll figure it out eventually, but he might be hot-cold for a lot of the games he plays.

Mikki- 2 rbs?!? Really?!? And he played how many minutes?!?

Cisco – Not his game. Clearly. He looked out of it the whole game.

by Genesis336 on Oct 11, 2008 8:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Forgot about Shelden...

Shelden – Shelden’s really trying to work for minutes, and I think he’s really doing a good job so far. 0-1 FG, 7-10 FT, 11rbs, 2 blks, 23 min. That’s how a good backup plays. He’s been the best rebounder on the team and has played the best interior defense. He’s hitting a majority of his FTs. He can play on this team and is deserving of some minutes IF he keeps it up. I hope he does. His offense does need work, but I thought we had a big man’s coach (SAR)?!? Work with the guy and let him progress. Especially since he has skills that the team clearly lacks.

by Genesis336 on Oct 11, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FG

Apparently can do no wrong, even when he’s 2-9.

Fact is, he got the ball.

Fact is, he played 3rd most, @ 28 minutes.

His minutes might go to Salmons, then Greene. He’s not close to a Manu or a Barbosa, a B. Gordon or a B. Jackson. He can make the eight man rotation, sure. Can he make himself better w/o the off=nights and boneheaded game-changing plays though?

(There’s no reason the Kings should go on a long scoreless streak when Francisco Garcia is in the game. He needs to get the ball when the system breaks down — he can create for himself and others. Instead, Donté Greene and Jason Thompson and Williams passed it amongst themselves. It didn’t work.)

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Oct 11, 2008 9:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My Observations,

its pre-season folks and the Kings still suck.

by mattman on Oct 11, 2008 10:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow you're extremely astute

When I grow up can I be you?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Oct 11, 2008 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

damnit

does that mean you get dibs? This sucks, I so totally wanted to be that guy when I grow up.

Donte? Donte'! Donté?!?!
'spect da 'xtra E'

by iashwash on Oct 12, 2008 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can be the complete loser douchebag if you wish

I won’t fight you for those dibs. Maybe dibs for smacking an anorexic stupido like Anne Coulter around, but not for this douchebag. (I’d pick on Rush Limbaugh first, but he’s a punk and would go down on the first punch. At least Anne would try to fight back.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Oct 12, 2008 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stunning display of in-depth analysis.

You come up with that one all by yourself?

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 12, 2008 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

question for whoever watched the game

Why did Kevin Martin impress so much? From the stats it looks like he only played a few minutes, curious to hear why he seems so much better.
  also, I agree with mattman, you guys are all dorks, and I hate dorks, plus the kings do suck, and everyone knows it isn’t cool to be a fan of a team that sucks, mattman and I only cheer for winners, that way we are always winners.

by Travis Mays Hayes on Oct 12, 2008 7:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he only played a few minutes

but he dished, he took it strong to the rim and he shot well. Just looked like he did last season, but more aggressive and willing to set up his team mates more.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 12, 2008 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

KM impresses

*because you can see it’s good before the ball leaves his hand.
*because the foot-speed is still ridiculous.
*Because the man does NOT take bad shots.

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Oct 12, 2008 8:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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