Game Thread: Preseason #3 -- Sacramento vs Mordor in Vegas
by Tom Ziller on Oct 12, 2008 6:15 PM PDT
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Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 12, 2008 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
he said he needed to change
programs. give it a couple of minutes.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 12, 2008 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
http://ziucchiradio.altervista.org/watch.php?id=351
this link works to watch live stream
G'd up from the feet up
That's not working for me
just get a white screen.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 12, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice early run for Beno
4 assists 2 stls. 3 rebs.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 12, 2008 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Salmons
looks pretty good although he missed Martin for a wide open 3 and that fadeaway was pretty ugly. besides that though he looks good
He's taking a lot of shots
and 2 TOs. but yeah, shooting ok.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 12, 2008 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Force by Kevin
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Would've liked
some defensive help there. Spencer? JT?
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
I so far havent seen Hawes play this year
Just read stuff on here and watched highlights from summer league. But he definitely looks like he is trying to play small forward instead of center
Looked like
Spencer was doing a pretty good job of denying post position to Bynum.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Nice dish
Beno to Hawes
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
And JT
running the floor. I like it.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
where are you guys watching it?
I couldn’t get the game to play on the justintv link
by Travis Mays Hayes on Oct 12, 2008 7:29 PM PDT reply actions
I'm watching on this
justinTV link.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 12, 2008 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Shock and Hawes
crashing the boards!
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
JT
I thought that was Salmons making that drive and spin to the basket. Serious skills for a big.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
Kings up 49-47 at the half
The Good:
- Beno 2-4 4pts. 6 asts. 2 stl. 4 Reb.
- Hawes 2-4 4 pts. 6 Reb 2 BS
- JT 6 pts. 5 Reb
The Bad:
- Salmons trying to take all of Artest’s old shots.
- 12 TOs.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Good game by Beno
4 -4 -6
Playing full minutes he would be on track for a triple double
JT
is aiming his jumper he needs a few to fall to boost his confidence, good job by him to take it to the hole if the jumper is not falling.
Surprised
we’re not seeing Donte Green. Not that Salmons is tearing up the floor.
Only played 10
players in the first half for some reason. No Greene, Shelden or BJax.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 12, 2008 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
That was ugly
Cisco.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Andrew Bynum looks like a Lizard
one biiiiiiiiiiiiig lizard.
ow Jt. ow.
Donte? Donte'! Donté?!?!
'spect da 'xtra E'
dude is big
wtf the NJ boy ate his wheaties. Spence, learn a thing or two.
Donte? Donte'! Donté?!?!
'spect da 'xtra E'
hahahaha
I’ve got Brad Millers haircut. Beard and all.
I need to go to the barber.
Donte? Donte'! Donté?!?!
'spect da 'xtra E'
good defense by Hawes
keeping Bynum out the paint, drawing the foul on Farmar.
Donte? Donte'! Donté?!?!
'spect da 'xtra E'
radmanovic needs a wig
dude look U-G-L-Y he ain’t got not alibi.
Donte? Donte'! Donté?!?!
'spect da 'xtra E'
everyone's been talking about shelden on here
and now he just gets in the game now for the first time?
Kevin
I missed the beginning of the game, and the box score says he only played 4 minutes. Anyone know why?
by The Ghost of Dick Bavetta on Oct 12, 2008 8:34 PM PDT reply actions
It was more like 14
All in the 1st half
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 12, 2008 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Stupid ESPN box score
I was wondering how he managed to score 7 points in only 4 minutes.
by The Ghost of Dick Bavetta on Oct 12, 2008 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
they got Donte playin the shooting guard and JT playin small forward...
interesting..
G'd up from the feet up
JT
JT looks nice in those post plays.
by The Ghost of Dick Bavetta on Oct 12, 2008 8:40 PM PDT reply actions
10 boards and 3 blocks for
Hawes. I’ll take that.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Donte'
I don’t give a damn if he’s Peja in disguise, if he keeps chucking up 3s, I’m going to smash my television.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.
The Rookies
look like rookies
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Oct 12, 2008 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll take
his 11 boards and 10 pts in 20 minutes. We need those rebounds.
eternal skeptical optimist
by lietothegirls on Oct 12, 2008 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Trading camp
filler.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 12, 2008 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
JT
with 17 and 9 now.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Maybe not
the Yahoo box score refreshed and now he has 15 and 8. So some where in there.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 12, 2008 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Fun game
Beno 8 assists, Spencer 10 boards, JT 15 and 8 all very nice.
Salmons 15 shots 11 pts. , Garcia forcing shots and 20 TOs not good.
Brown came back to earth 1-7 shooting 4 TOs only 2 Ast and he got schooled a few times by Farmar.
Willimas only got 11 mins or so, but was good again 6pt – 4Reb.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Where Zhang Kai??
Where’s my country boy??? He was gonna be next Yao Ming
BOOK IT!
Just a few notes about the game:
-I feel Shawes and Thompson both played very well. Every game they seem to be getting more comfortable
-Salmon’s play on the offensive end concerns me. His shot selection is poor. He is disrupting ball movement. He is dribbling without purpose.
-Beno had a nice passing game. I feel the Kings saw more easy, open looks because of his play. I would love it if he could average 7-8 assists this season.
-Was it just me, or did the Kings seem to be able to get an open shot from the left corner 3 whenever they wanted?
Here we go again
We lost the rebound lead in the 3rd quarter, when the team decided it was either a 3pt shooting contest or a game of horse. Hoisting up long shoots with everyone spread out along the 3pt line is never a good idea. Reggie needs to get on anyone who puts up a long ball with nobody ready to rebound.
The Kings don’t have a good enough shooting percentage to not have at least one person near the paint to try to rebound. Their only shooting 37% & 28% from the 3PT line.
Also, Cisco, Salmons, & Brown need to take a tip from Martin. If you insist on drive to the rim with 2 or 3 guys waiting for you, then pull up & shoot a little 10 footer. Every drive to the rim doesn’t have to end with a hard bounce off the backboard.
I question what’s going on with Shelden. His stats per minutes played are the best of the PF. BUT, except for the Portland game where he came in early after Hawes foul trouble, most of his minutes have come late in the game. So, not only is he mostly being used at the Center, he’s also playing with & against the backups & rookies.
I hope we get to see him play some extended minutes at the PF.
Donte Greene’ has been a shock. For a guy who was suppost to be all offense and no defense, his offense looks nonexistent except for the 1st game. 27% and 17% from the 3pt line is scarey bad even for a rookie in preseason. At least 2 of the 6 for 22 shoots that he made were actually tip ins off of offensive rebounds.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
All good points
A couple of things to keep in mind -
Williams is still 3rd on the PF depth chart behind Moore and Thompson, and 3rd on the C depth chart behind Miller and Hawes. Once Miller serves his suspension, Williams is a banger off the bench whose minutes come when others are injured, in foul trouble, or Theus becomes exasperated over the lack of rebounding.
Donte’ Greene = 19 years old with one year of college under his belt.
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Agreed on both points
This is why you can’t get too excited about a guy who looks really good in Summer League. Even someone like Bynum took three years to show anything. Greene and Williams are both 3 deep at their positions unless someone gets injured this year.
"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke
Depth charts can change
as the season progresses. I don’t believe that Mikki’s position as a starter is that secure. JT is already capable of matching Mikki’s stats from last year for 30mpg. As JT gets more familiar with the offense and the starters get use to him, look to see Mikki slide down the chart.
Shelden could see his position change based on the opponent. Especially if Hawes continues to have problems with big low post centers. I can imagine Hawes & Shelden teamed together where Shelden switches to center on defense to keep Hawes out of foul trouble. Even if Hawes doesn’t end up needing help, it’s hard not to see Shelden’s rebounding , blocking, & help defense not being used more regularly.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Here's the Mikki vs JT comparison over the three preseason games
Mikki
min fgm-a 3pm-a ftm-a off def tot ast pf st to bs pts
14:15 2-3 0-0 4-4 0 1 1 0 4 0 1 0 8
17:24 2-4 0-0 0-2 1 1 2 0 1 0 1 0 4
17:38 3-4 0-0 0-0 0 5 5 0 1 1 1 0 6
JT
min fgm-a 3pm-a ftm-a off def tot ast pf st to bs pts
19:10 2-8 0-1 2-2 2 2 4 1 6 0 0 1 6
19:57 1-7 0-0 3-6 2 4 6 1 2 0 1 0 5
27:25 4-10 0-1 7-10 3 5 8 1 2 0 0 0 15
wow
not sure what you can draw from that comparison, JT has played better in each game, he is improving but he is still short arming his jumper and does not look totally comfortable in the offense
And you were expecting 29 & 12 right away?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
nope
I just want him to play 3 games is not enough to judge anything on, good or bad.
I hope that JT gets some with the starters to see how he fits in
Good Point
And I agree with everything said there minus the punctuation error. LOL
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
LOL
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No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Data too small
Really the number are too small for a good statistical analysis. But, if you look at Mikki’s numbers for last year he scored 8.5 ppg and 6.0 rebounds is 29min. but his career averages are 6.1 ppg and 4.0 rebounds. I can’t imagine the JT could not out do those types of numbers. The question is how will JT effect the flow of the offense of the other starters.
The one item that I found interesting is where the rebound where. Mikki has 8 total and 1 offensive in 49 min of play. JT 18 rebound and 7 offensive in 67 minutes of play. Shelden has 21 rebounds and 10 offensive in 54 minutes. So, JT and Shelden account for 42% of the teams Offensive rebounds and Mikki accounts for 3%.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Lotta people round these parts
Have complained the team doesn’t get enough O Boards. Here you come JT & Shelden.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
I forgot Greene
in my previous post.
Your absolutely correct, because of his age and experience Greene’ needs to be treated with patience. In fact, Jt, Greene’ & Brown are all probably running on a full tank of adrenalin and testosterone.
I believe it was Brown who said that one of the vets gave him the advise that “Fast is slow and Slow is fast”. I hope they all settle down soon. But, concerning Greene’, and why I said I was shocked was the total number of air balls and clunkers he’s thrown up. For a guy with his rep and success in training camp, I was really SHOCKED.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
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