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Yes, I lived a life BC (before Chris). And now I am apparently experiencing an existence AD (after Divac). Yes, the apocalypse is truly upon us, as we argue whether or not it is fair to mock one Kenneth Cornelius Thomas. 

It seems that there are those that want us to give Kenny Thomas a break, and on the surface the argument seems valid enough. Who wouldn’t take a contract like that? And how can a guy really hurt you if he’s not playing? And how can you shred a man if you don’t even know him? Compelling, but not convincing. Not to me, anyway.

Kenny Thomas may be the nicest guy on the planet. He may be a good and decent family man, always pays his taxes on time, never line jumps at the buffet. Alas, this has little to do with his existence as a member of the Sacramento Kings, and since this is a Kings website, I am going to focus on his contributions to the Kings (I will also focus on those things that are not contributions, or this is going to be a very short post).

Kenny Thomas arrived here on February 23, 2005, along with Corliss Williamson and Brian Skinner, in trade for Chris Webber, Matt Barnes and Michael Bradley.  He was handed the job vacated by Chris Webber, and he responded with almost 15 points and 9 boards a game. He was 28 at the end of that year, entering what should be the prime of a power forward.

Only that didn’t happen. Kenny Thomas’ game regressed (or at least it did not grow). His production fell off, then his minutes fell off, and he eventually morphed into what he is today: $17.3 million (over two years) of untradeable basketball player, the single worst investment on the Kings roster today by a wide, wide margin.

Remember, this has all happened while the Kings have been arguably the worst team at power forward in the NBA. So bad that Mikki Moore is the starting power forward (not to knock Mikki, he is a terrific contributor, but really – how many teams would he start for in this league?). So bad that we pine for Shelden Williams to get more minutes. So bad that some of us would consider starting Brad Miller and Spencer Hawes together up front (the Ivory Towers).

All of this happened while guys like P.J. Brown, Kurt Thomas, Joe Smith, Corliss Williamson, Eduardo Najera, Reggie Evans and others figured out a way to make a contribution to their teams.

Now don’t get me wrong. I love rooting for a long shot. Joe Kleine is my avatar, for crying out loud! But Kenny Thomas is no long shot. He is a guy who is making a lot of money and had every opportunity to earn it. But that didn’t happen. Instead he has played his way to the end of the bench, while earning collecting practically the same amount of money as Bobby Brown, Donte’ Greene, Quincy Douby, Jason Thompson, Francisco Garcia and Spencer Hawes…combined.

This does not mean that we should say that Kenny Thomas molests collies or rolls little old ladies (OK, maybe the collie thing is OK – he’s K9, after all). But I think that I am well within my rights to call him the sucking chest wound as it pertains to the Kings payroll. As a Kings fan, I think that I have earned the right to rail and wail whenever I see him peel off his warm up and prepare to enter the game…and contribute nothing. I think that it is acceptable to have disdain for a player that is suddenly ancient at the tender age of 31, in spite of the fact that he has had no telling injuries. Give his knees to Shareef Abdur-Rahim, or give ‘Reef’s heart to Thomas.

Because here is the thing - No franchise benches a player that is owed $17.3 million over the next two years when he plays a position where the team basically sucks (upside notwithstanding). If Thomas showed anything, ANYTHING, the Kings would have been trotting him out there in the hopes to generate enough value that they could package him with someone for expiring contract, expiring anti-perspirant, a moped ride with Monta Ellis, ANYTHING.

So that is why I shall continue to mock Kenny Thomas the “player.” Not Kenny Thomas the man. Kenny Thomas the “player.” I will continue to mock him as long as he continues to mock me, the Kings fan living AD.

Woof!

 

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by lietothegirls on Oct 16, 2008 8:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Woof!

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 16, 2008 8:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Hole

at PF is dark and deep….

Yes, we have a servicable back-up – or even two

but imagine the roster – as it is now – with the addition of a serious player at PF.

Its a whole new team.

Today – right now.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 16, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too bad

serious PFs don’t grow on trees. Of course if we had a PF tree K9’d probably piss on it.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 16, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And how

would we get him? Sign and trade for Martin?

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 16, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

free agent

one of the few next year.

(though he’ll probably re-sign with Utah – just wishing for some luck)

We’d have to not pick up the Williams and Douby options to free up the 12 mil or so though. (+SAR is off the books ect)

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by lietothegirls on Oct 17, 2008 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should

check your numbers again. No Williams, Douby and Reef will only bring us down near the salary cap, not 12 million under it.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 17, 2008 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose you're right

I was thinking of the luxury tax (sigh)

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by lietothegirls on Oct 17, 2008 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Magical. Here is my Ode to K-9- drunker Pookey style (even with cool lyrical references).

You may want to block Kenny Thomas phone number because he may call you to discuss this post. Kenny is the epitome of punk ass bitch. Coming into the trade, he was a serviceable 4 with his best years ahead of him. Once traded to a floundering franchise, Kenny puckered up tighter than a man at a proctologist appointment. He is the Ralph Sampson of the 2000’s, the salary albatross of NBA and most of all….and you can tell him I said this, the absolute worst player I have ever seen, including church league, city league, ages 5-6 league. I can give a guy a pass on poor shooting and defensive ineptness but what I don’t understand is why a guy who is easily the 15th man on the roster refuses to set a GOD DAMN pick to free up his fellow teammates. Does this ass munch really believe that he is going to get a roll when he refuses to set the pick? Man up chicken fucker and use what little ability is left in your worthless body to clear court space for the relevant players orbiting around you at light speed compared to you. When I see Kenny Thomas on the court, Kenny is not the South Park character I am reminded of. Kenny Thomas is Chef- a fat, worthless lunch lady telling me to suck on his “Chocolate Salty Balls”. Put this in your mouth and suck-em Kenny.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Oct 16, 2008 9:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Easy man

eeeeasy!

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by lietothegirls on Oct 16, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No - I get it man

I even feel it.

I’m just afraid he’ll show up on a slab – and they’ll knock on your door first.

and yes

I could spare a kidney

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by lietothegirls on Oct 16, 2008 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i could spare two

with that kind of money, buy another. And if all else fails, bitch I got dialysis!

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by iashwash on Oct 16, 2008 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can just see it now

K9 is lying on the slab and one detective says to the other detective “Who should go on our list of suspects?” to which the the second detective replies without a single moment’s hesitation “Ummm… every Kings fan on the planet”.

by hozr on Oct 17, 2008 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im not familiar with arcane rules of the Salary Cap

But I’m pretty sure he’d still count against it.

by Deleran on Oct 17, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I realize it's a joke

But the salary cap isn’t arcane. It’s a bit complicated in some ways, and not in some others. But arcane it’s really not.

This is the actual answer to the question:

How do players who die count against the cap?

Sadly, a number of players have died while they were active, including Jason Collier, Reggie Lewis, Drazen Petrovic, Bobby Phills, Malik Sealy and Nick Vanos.

A player who dies is treated the same as one who has suffered a career-ending injury or illness. See question number 53.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 17, 2008 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing arcane

 about a system that requires a 60 page FAQ to explain.

by Deleran on Oct 17, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's right

Creating Earth in 7 days was a wham bam & thank you maam process.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Oct 19, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My biggest question about Kenny Thomas

Is what the hell happened? Hes had one of the most precipitous production drop-offs Ive ever seen without an injury. He went from being an above average player at his position the end of the bench in 3 years and hes only 31 years old.

by Deleran on Oct 16, 2008 9:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

something happened ...but what?

Yes that’s what I’m thinking too.. K9 wasn’t a nobody before coming here. He was a decent player, he even had some great months with 15-10. How could he forget his bball skill completely? Something happened. Was it psychological? He couldn’t fit in? He got a divorce? His dog died?

by ZenBaller on Oct 17, 2008 3:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

214

You know I love ya, but…

Kenny Thomas did not sign with the Kings as a free agent. The Sixers apparently thought he warranted the contract they gave him, and I’m sure Petrie read it before he pulled the trigger on Webber.

The regression of his game, specifically in regard to his shooting, is apparent. It seemed to me that he had a productive 15 minutes in Stockton, and since we like to write off Hawes after one bad game and pronounce him God three days later, I won’t overemphasize this. He played, he was productive. That’s what we have.

Will he get more opportunities, and will he produce? I hope so. He has a huge contract, and it’s tough to convince hardcore fans that he’ll ever be able to earn it. I don’t feel like the guy is washed up, but while I want him to produce, I also want Thompson out there learning. Thomas is not going to be able to win over anyone in here, especially if all his coach permits him to do is watch while keeping his (according to those close to the team) good attitude.

Geoff Petrie doesn’t get a lot of criticism in here, and I am grateful every day that he runs the show instead of the Maloofs, or any of the other assclown GMs in the league. But your beef regarding Kenny Thomas is with Geoff Petrie, and I’m unimpressed with the bandwagon mentality on the issue.

Thomas isn’t my favorite player, and I don’t know why I’m defending him. The fans and mods here are hyper-knowledgable, and I just feel like this meme is weak, small, and largely worthless.

The Bobby Hurley jokes can begin…NOW.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Oct 16, 2008 9:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

All salient points

And while Thomas did not sign here as a free agent, he did come here with it and then proceeded to devalue himself in a fashion so rapid that you would think that he was a Yuba City condominium.

And I would never make fun of Bobby Hurley. Jason Hart, absoutely. But not Bobby.

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by section214 on Oct 16, 2008 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When Petrie

made the trade Thomas was fine. His drop off came after the trade, so how is this GP’s fault?

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 16, 2008 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rubber/glue, etc

If GP gets credit for drafting nobodies out of Western Carolina that turn out well, then he gets to take crap when he approves ANY personnel move that goes south. He could have nixed the trade.

I just don’t think this is a heart/effort issue with Thomas. I don’t have a good answer, I just think it’s wrong to treat a good man’s name like dirt.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Oct 16, 2008 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

GP evaluated 'potential' in Martin etc.

projecting that a 27-28 yr old’s established game would collapse almost overnight may be asking too much.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 16, 2008 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Potential

So he should be the GM for draft talent, and someone else should evaluate the potential of potential free agents?

I’m not saying anything negative about SAR, but he got a 5-year deal with a history of a gimpy knee. It was offered, he signed it. That explains his decline, KT’s situation is more complex, obviously. Could be a minor injury that affects his shot, a mental block, lack of continuity with head coaches. Until anything is an explanation, it will merely be an excuse.

My main point is that this blog is better than the type of snide personal crap that sullies otherwise keen analysis of the team.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Oct 16, 2008 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A calculated risk

that didn’t pan out. Not SAR’s fault but yes, Petrie’s responsibility.

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by lietothegirls on Oct 16, 2008 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

but your argument just doesn’t hold water. Trade for a guy who plays well for one year and then for whatever reason starts to suck and you want to blame the GM and give no blame to the player? I just don’t see it.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 17, 2008 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was talking

about two very different situations, SAR and K-9.

K-9’s collapse of play at 28 is hard to understand and I think no fault of GPs, Kenny must bear the blame on that one – though still GP made the trade – and is responsible.

SAR was a calculated risk based on the person SAR is and the talent. GP lost that gamble through no fault of SAR. GP made that gamble, and he knew it was one, so he bears the full responsibility.

Sounds like you’re looking for a fight but read the rest of my posts before you mis-represent them.

Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !

by lietothegirls on Oct 17, 2008 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't responding to you

I was responding to andy sims’ rubber/glue comment. I know it’s hard to tell sometimes. A hint: if you click the little [up] button it will take you up to the comment replied to(this works in firefox, not sure about explorer). I agree with your take btw.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Oct 17, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Booooo!

Who cares who printed the contract- Kenny Thomas signed to play basketball, not play grab ass on the bench because he isn’t good enough to beat out undrafted free agents like Justin Williams. At least Bobby Hurley had an excuse, broken ribs, broken collarbone, destroyed knee and shoulder and internal damage. What is Kenny Thomas’ excuse?
I can live live with the poor shooting and his horrific passing skills but….make up for your deficiencies by hustling, playing team ball, setting picks, rebounding and for goodness sakes your 6-7, learn how to score from inside of 3 feet. Watch him play, watch him slip his screens and call for the ball after he’s left his teammate high and dry with a double team. 59 DNP-CD’s last season and when he did play he averaged 1.4 pts and 2.7 boards while attempting a total of 5 free throws, none of which he hit.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Oct 16, 2008 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kenny

He was productive with the starters in the first half against the second and third string Clippers players but in crunch time in the fourth quarter with the youngsters he was invisible instead of stepping it up.

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by dalt99 on Oct 17, 2008 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The better question

is why did this hack just waste 759 words on Kenny Thomas?

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by section214 on Oct 16, 2008 10:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We'll have to agree to disagree

Actually, I don’t agree to that.

I don’t know if I’m Nately or the old Italian man. Either way, I’m going to bed.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Oct 16, 2008 11:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ha ha ha.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Oct 16, 2008 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

There should be no further replies to this thread. It’s over.

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by iashwash on Oct 16, 2008 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Next time

wait until I have said how much I dislike Kenny Thomas before posting a genius picture. Now I can’t vent.

by Ball in Cup on Oct 17, 2008 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more for posterity...

A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...

by Jaycee on Oct 17, 2008 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

And yes...

…I am an unoriginal bastard. But Carl’s picture reminded me of this one so I had to share.

A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...

by Jaycee on Oct 17, 2008 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Equally as eloquent JC (That is with Carl's pic)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Oct 17, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eloquent as always Carl

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Oct 17, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Said Section

"Oh, boy! This website is very good. Hey, let's talk about the Raiders!" - "Peaches" Napier

by dalt99 on Oct 17, 2008 12:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Tip-off, ball goes up.
I glance at the bench – thank God.
Kenny’s in a suit.

by jeremy548 on Oct 17, 2008 1:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

a view from our former coach...

last year I ended up sitting next to E. Muss at a Niners game. He was more than willing to discuss his view of the Kings, much to my surprise. His comments re: K9 were memorable: “Worse pro he had ever met” is exactly what he said to me.

by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Oct 17, 2008 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I disagree with this

So I’m going to write a fanpost because it’s just too long to actually write in a comments section (no pun intended 214).

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Oct 17, 2008 11:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Needs more Ivory Towers

Molina's gonna test his arm...

by Victorious Secret on Oct 17, 2008 1:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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