Sactown Royalty Poll of the Indeterminate Time Period
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My thoughts
I don’t see particular harm in picking up QD’s option. He’s cheap and has had flashes (including summer league and his last regular season game).
I understand the decision with Williams. $4 million … that’s whole lotta bagels for a guy who is currently playing behind Kenny Thomas.
by Ziller on Oct 21, 2008 2:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Both
I don’t think the team believes in either player. There is a good chance that one or both are stashed on the inactive list once Miller and Cisco get back. I don’t think either player is a threat to get more than an NBA minimum contract next season, so I don’t see picking up either contract.
That being said, I don’t understand what the hell is going on with Shelden Williams’s playing time. He’s looked solid (defensively) throughout the preseason and all of a sudden he’s behind Kenny Thomas. This makes no sense. Shelden should be begging for a trade to Utah, where Jerry Sloan can teach him to hurt people – which is what will keep him in the league.
It’s a shame that Douby missed the entire preseason. This was a real opportunity for Quincy to prove that he could play. There is a narrow window of opportunity with Cisco out, but those minutes may end up going to Bobby Brown, with Bobby Jackson playing the off-guard spot instead of Douby. Regardless, Douby will get no time once Cisco comes back.
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by Carl on Oct 21, 2008 3:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
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Cisco has shown that he isn’t any quicker or hasn’t improved his defense over last year. He still relies on coming from behind to block the shot after the guards blow past him. With our poor interior help we need guards that can stay in front of their man.
Cisco, right now is on par with Salmons, although Salmons is better at going to the basket and Cisco is better shooting from 3 pt. But, neither of them is quick enought to stay with most guards.
Brown is better than Jackson in every offensive and defensive catagory except turnovers. And, as Reynolds has said many times, he’s trying to do too much. Give him playing time and he’ll be pushing Beno for the starting spot.
Douby has the speed and quickness to defend the 2. And, he comes up against a 2 guard that’s too big for him then Cisco would be a better match. But, we need scoring from the 2 when Martin is out. Our big just aren’t producing enough points that we can afford a lose of production when Martin is out. So, Douby is realiy going to have to score big.
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by HighTops on Oct 21, 2008 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand it
Quincy is cheap but it’s clear he’s got no chance to even prove himself and probably no place on this team. The injury was a real stroke of bad luck to him.
Williams was standing to get a lot of money. He came in with a lot of confidence and was doing a really good job playing in the preseason. With time he could’ve really came together. Now, he’s fallen behind K9 and barely plays (although I don’t agree with that). $4 million is too much for him.
If one or both of them are on the team next season, then it will be at the minimum.
by Genesis336 on Oct 21, 2008 3:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Made sense
I feel bad for the players but still, it saves the team about 7 million dollars.
I don’t quite understand the Garcia extension unless the cap hold was the first year of the extension, then yes.
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by kingme18 on Oct 21, 2008 4:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My Thoughts
I voted it doesn’t make sense. For several reasons actually. If you aren’t going to have cap room in 2009, keeping Williams makes sense through that season on his rookie contract. Keeping Douby as a trade chip, especially for a team trying to dump Kenny Thomas, on the assumption that his suckage has no usefulness to this team, makes a bit of sense. As TZ says Douby is pretty cheap. Williams I wouldn’t be surprised because 4 million for a player like him is a lot, but the Dubs just payed for a player of similar caliber in Ronny Turiaf the same amount of money. Maybe the Kings get Williams for cheaper, but it’s doubtful.
In short, and I try to keep this stuff short, is that it makes sense that the Kings would deny them options, but from a team standpoint it doesn’t make sense they would willingly just let 2 chips fall off the table so easily.
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by pookeyguru on Oct 21, 2008 5:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tweet!
My understanding is the team maintains Bird rights on both players, and can go over the cap for one or both if there is some sort of breakout, which allows the Kings to hedge their bets.
Either way, these two should be hyper-motivated.
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by andy sims on Oct 21, 2008 6:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm giving up the search
But as far as I can tell your comment seems correct. (Although something tells me it’s not.)
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by pookeyguru on Oct 21, 2008 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible I'm incorrect
I don’t think aloud, I just…say things. To pro-America Americans, mostly.
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by andy sims on Oct 21, 2008 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah no doubt
To the people who say where else do you get this type of freedom? France is my answer. I’m sticking with it.
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by pookeyguru on Oct 21, 2008 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's safe to say...
We won’t need any bird rights to resign Shelden or Quincy.
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by kingme18 on Oct 21, 2008 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good decisions
I understand that the options would be short term, and may not be considered a ton of money. I also know (from previous situations) that declining these options may end up being decisions we rue someday. That being said, picking up their options feels like it would be trying to maintain the status quo. And the status quo around here ain’t the ticket. This is a time when we’re on the rise, even if it is a slow rise. It’s a new direction, and I think Douby and Williams feel too much like the old.
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by Exhibit G on Oct 21, 2008 6:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That is a good point
So I think I can see both sides of the coin. I just thought that my original reaction should be said somewhere which is why I voted the bad deal.
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by pookeyguru on Oct 21, 2008 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think declining these options will ever come back to bite us
because I don’t see either player getting an offer for more than their current salary on their next contract. 4 million is A LOT to pay for Sheldon Williams. Yes, the Warriors got Ronnie Turaif over the summer but that doesn’t make it a smart move, in fact, I think its a pretty stupid move.
Also, if either one of these guys does have a good season and leaves for more money, we have 2 first round picks and a second next year, plus there are always guys playing in europe (bobby brown) who are ready to play for a lower salary. I just don’t see these end of the bench positions as something we need to pay 7 million dollars for.
by Travis Mays Hayes on Oct 21, 2008 6:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It's the right decision
based on the current roster. Neither of these guys are going to bank any real time. In short, neither player had earned an extension. The reasons why may vary (injuries, Theus’ head in proximity to his arse), but neither Douby or Williams merited next year’s money. I like both players and hope that they land in an environment where their talents will be better displayed. Perhaps that may even be here (especially for Williams) if the roster turns over a bit.
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by section214 on Oct 21, 2008 7:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's the only decision
There is only one way to look at this. FINANCIAL
$6.5Million in salary makes up for a lot of empty seats. The Maloof’s and GP took one look at next years potential roster and realized that even with the 1st pick in next years draft they weren’t going to fill Arco. So, just like every other business or government they decided to start cutting back on expenses.
Also, to unload Miller’s, Thomas’, & Moore’s expiring contracts they may have to take on more than 3 players in return. With 8 others under contract and 2 First rounders they’ll have 10 contracts plus however many they have to acquire to trade off our 3 expiring.
What’s really frightening about it is, Douby is another draft pick without starter capabilities. So, with the exception of Martin, none of the players GP has drafted are starters. And, Hawes potential to be the starting center next year is questionable. Plus we get to add 2 more to the fold next year.
One other point, if the Kings were to buy out Moores’ contract, their total salary minus Miller & Thomas would be around $35M . With the 09/10 Salary Cap at approx $61M and Miller & Thomas making $21M, the Kings would be able to pick up an additional $5M in contracts. This may help in trade talks. Of course, I’m basing this on the fact that they don’t have to include the draft choices in the base salary because of the rookie exemption.
Even if GP can trade our 3 expiring, his record of trades has not been all that successful lately. And, he’ll need to replace the 4&5 positions with someone who can play right away. He’s not going to get a star for an expiring. At best he’ll get a role player with a bad contract from a team that wants the salary cap space to acquire a Star for themselves.
As they said in “War Games”, the best choice may be not to play at all. What they could do is use the $5M in cap space to trade for a starting PF with a team looking the avoid the Luxury Tax. Using Thomas’ contract and approx $5M we would be able to pay a Free Agent approx $13.5M in a sign and trade. Then we’d have Miller’s $12.5M to offer in 10/11.
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by HighTops on Oct 21, 2008 11:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to mention
Since Salmons has an ETO in 10/11, the last day he could be traded would be the trade deadline in 09/10 if he were to choose to opt out of his contract. Since he’ll be making less than MLE money in 10/11, I expect him to opt out especially if he continues to play has he has been. So, we could trade him plus our cap money instead of Thomas.
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by HighTops on Oct 21, 2008 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Recapping draft picks
Absolutely correct that the Kings have drafted only one starter recently (Martin), but let’s be realistic. Martin, Garcia and Douby were all late 1st round picks, so any starter that you score down there is a plus. The fact that Petrie landed a potential all-star and a capable sixth man that some think sohould be starting is pretty damn good.
As it pertains to Hawes, kid just turned 20 awhile ago, so while there are still questions about how his NBA career will develop, it’s way too early to determine whether or not his will be a productive pick. The same would obviously be said of Thompson and Greene.
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by section214 on Oct 22, 2008 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only that
Greene was the 28th pick himself. And since SPAM has come up so often in recent days (SPAM stands for Spending Paul Allen’s Money), the Kings can’t buy picks like the Blazers will either. They have to make do with what they have.
And I totally agree with the point that Having an All-Star caliber, a quality 6th man/glue guy, and a player who doesn’t quite fit (in part because Garcia didn’t turn out to be the ball handler the organization thought he was) led to the twisting of Douby in the wind. I would like to point that out since many (including Jerry Reynolds) talked about Garcia being a bit like DC13, and yet that never quite played out that way. He’s more like an active cross between Jason Kapono and Ronny Turiaf.
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by pookeyguru on Oct 22, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is simple
The Kings projected Garcia a bit wrong, which led them to believe their needs were not quite what they were when they drafted Douby. That led to a duplication of talents in some ways with Garcia’s flaws easier to work around than Douby’s. That’s really why Douby’s option won’t be picked up if for no other reason.
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by pookeyguru on Oct 22, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Late rounders
I kind of got of subject on the dratf pick thing, but while we are on the subject of late round draft picks let’s look at it.
You seem to understand that late round picks are a crap shoot. I certainly believe that and if GP were a good general manager( which he is) he knows it also. So, why hasn’t he traded up or traded picks for talented vets that could help us now.
I know hind sight is 20/20, and it’s easy to sit back and criticize past moves but you have to admit that there are a LOT of move to criticize. Draft choices, contracts, and coaching choices all fall on GP’s plate. So, you’ll have to forgive me for not jumping on the we drafted a star bandwagon. And, jumped of the we have a bunch of project players mule train instead.
I appreciate that eveyone is willing to give Hawes a pass because of his YOUNG AGE. But, sometimes people just are what they are and don’t change. And, what I see in Hawes is soft finesse player that has the skills to play the low post but not the temperment. The fact that he has the fewest trips to the free throw line is just another indication that he’s not willing to challenge people to stop him from going strong to the rim. His comfort level is shooting jumpers out high because the defenders don’t come out and pressure him there.
So, until I see Hawes trying to consistently score in the paint and do it successfully, I’ll stand by my first impressions.
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by HighTops on Oct 22, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you considered
that Hawes’ ability on the perimeter might come in handy in getting guys like Oden, Bynum and Yao away from the basket, opening up the lane for Kevin Martin?
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by section214 on Oct 22, 2008 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't alway work that way
First Hawes has to consistantly make the outside shot, or else they’ll just back off let him take it and get the easy rebound when he misses. Right now he’s only shooting 42% so I’d have to assume he’s shooting worst that that from deep, and only 16% from 3.
The other option that teams are using is to switch and send the PF out to cover him. That takes away his driving ability and leaves their big shot blocker around the rim. Either way there seemed to be a lot of people around the basket everytime Salmons’ drove to the rim in the last Portland game. Of, course, Hawes was sitting on the bench with 3 fouls again.
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by HighTops on Oct 22, 2008 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Erm...
Perimeter is not just 3 point shooting. Brad Miller forces his man outside. So the question is, can Hawes develop that? And the answer is, no one knows, because he is only 20 years old.
Not everyone has the stomach to watch young players develop. Kevin Durant shot 43% from the field last year, and 29% from 3 point range. I’m sure that some would already dismiss the lad as a bum based on those numbers, as opposed to someone who is not even old enough to drink (legally), someone who is still growing into his body.
I’m just amazed whenever people want to rush to judgment on young players. Jermaine O’Neal averaged less than 4 points a game his first four years in the league. Last year was Tyson Chandler’s 7th year in the league, and the first year that he averaged a double double. Big guys historically take a little longer to develop than wings, as speed is more developed than strength at age 20.
Hawes may work out and he may not. But how can anyone make that call after his extremely brief NBA career?
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by section214 on Oct 22, 2008 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never said he couldn't
become a good NBA center. I said it didn’t seem to me that he has the stomach for getting into the paint and mixing it up. I said he could prove me wrong, but until he does that’s my opinion.
I think you said once that you lived in Chicago. Does the name Wil Perdue ring a bell. Maybe it’s because Hawes reminds me of one of the worst centers ever to play for Chicago, I’m worried that Hawes will turn out just like him.
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by HighTops on Oct 22, 2008 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will Perdue
This guy? I just don’t see the connection, as Perdue was a plodder with no outside game, while Hawes can run and shoot.
Another difference? Pedue’s 13 year career and 4 championship rings. If Hawes can replicate that while here in Sacramento, I will be one very happy camper.
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by section214 on Oct 23, 2008 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pick on the high point why don't you
He got three rings because he was on the same team as Jordon, and not because he earned them.
He was the 11th pick in the 88 draft. Played 7 yrs in Chicago and averaged only one year where he played over 14mpg, 4.5rpg, & 5ppg. Yea he had a long career, so he ran up some numbers. But, for the first 6yrs of his career, he was a total flop.
And, when I said Hawes reminded me of him, I didn’t say anything about style of play. I said I thought Hawes was playing soft. Doesn’t go strong to the rim even when he’s in close. Perdue was a whiner and a plodder in close as you said. But, he too was soft inside, and that is where I see the similarity.
I never said Hawes won’t change as his confidence grows, but I choose to hold back my enthusiasm until I see it happen.
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by HighTops on Oct 23, 2008 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey -
I’m not the guy that picked out Perdue as an example.
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by section214 on Oct 23, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No "fantastic decision" option?
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by Muff209 on Oct 21, 2008 11:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The K9 option
is a feature of Section 214’s polls, not TZ’s. Although at times I thing Section is really just TZ when he’s off his meds.
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by Kfan in Korea on Oct 22, 2008 4:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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