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Whither Brad Miller

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Should I stay or should I go now?

If I go there will be trouble,

And if I stay it will be double.

So come on and let me know –

Should I stay or should I go?

-          The Clash, 1981

Brad Miller, welcome to the rest of your life as a Sacramento King. You are the new Ron Artest, the player that will eventually polarize a fan base that will be divided over your continued existence in Northern California (grab a bat, John Salmons, because you’re on deck). Many fans will find it incredible that we would entertain notions of trading our most selfless player, especially one that would leave at least a temporary gaping hole at his position. Others will rail that he is overpaid and not part of the future of this franchise. Brad Miller will become a riddle wrapped in a conundrum wrapped in a zig-zag.

If you are in the Brad Miller camp, you are quick to note that after Kevin Martin, Miller is probably the highest ranked King at his respective position.  Miller ranks in the upper half of NBA centers, and you can’t make that case for Mikki Moore at PF, John Salmons at SF, or Beno Udrih at PG. Brad Miller is better than the average. And after last year’s comeback year, which included a pair of 20+/20+ point/rebound nights, he has proven that he still has gas in the tank.

Also, when you look at last year’s projected starting lineup, only Brad Miller regularly provided Kevin Martin with easy basket attempts. Hell, sometimes Miller was the only guy to provide Martin the ball! Think back to when Doug Christie was worth 3 points a night to Peja via those nifty passes from the top of the key to a cutting Stojakovic. Or how C-Webb used to spring Bibby for some easy jumpers off the pick and roll. That is Brad Miller’s value to Kevin Martin. We have seen Beno Udrih actually find Martin at the rim during the preseason, an encouraging sign. But if Spencer Hawes is getting Brad Miller’s minutes today, Kevin Martin will pay at least a small price.

Finally, there is the veteran leadership factor. Miller deferred to Ron Artest (Attila the Hun would have deferred to Ron Artest), but my guess is that Miller is going to become a more vocal leader this year. Mikki Moore is a bit of a leader in a self made man sort of way, but Brad Miller is the guy. He has what the youngsters want – he is the sole proprietor of major minutes at his position and he gets paid a bundle. Hawes and Thompson would have to pay attention to the guy, yes?

In conclusion, the pro-Miller camp says keep the man around unless you can get something of true value in return for him (youth and/or draft picks). His contract expires in time for the magical year of 2010, so what’s the hurry?

The naysayers would quickly respond that Brad Miller is overpaid, and that an overpaid player should always be dealt ASAP, especially when that team is not really a viable playoff contender.  Miller has almost $24 million left on his contract over the next two years, and he’ll likely earn about $16 million of it. The sooner that you can unload that contract, the better.

And while it’s true that Martin benefits from Miller’s selfless play, Kevin’s going to be here long after Brad is gone. The rest of this team needs to learn to work through Kevin Martin, and that will have to happen at an accelerated pace if Miller is not here.

And one more thing - Veteran, schmeteran. Brad Miller is taking valuable time from the youth that would be the future of this franchise. Who cares what he can teach these guys? They can learn more by playing, and playing time is exactly what they’ll get once Brad is gone. You have Shareef on the coaching staff, don’t you? Mikki Moore and Bobby Jackson can teach the kids about proper shower shoe care, for crying out loud.

And so it shall be for Brad Miller, the next great divider. My personal opinion (which has an error factor of 0-100%) is that we should keep him for the entire 2008-09 season, unless someone comes along and offers the Kings future enhancing products in exchange for Miller’s services. At this time next year, if Hawes has progressed, you could accept a little less in return for #52. Miller does not strike me as a guy that will piss and moan about a reduced role as Hawes develops, so that buys you some time and flexibility. By the time he becomes expiring trade deadline contract in early 2010, he could fetch a youngster or a draft pick from a contending team in need of selfless size.

Commence Brad Miller discussion. Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em.


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Good take as usual

I’m in the trade him when ever an acceptable deal comes along camp. This year’s trade deadline, next year’s deadline, tomorrow, all fine with me.

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by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 2:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup I'm there with ya too

If you consider Spencer Hawes your future, and all that, you can’t just play him behind Brad Miller forever. There comes a time when the position’s has, and he has to work to keep it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Oct 23, 2008 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

when the position is his^

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Oct 23, 2008 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I desperately want the Bulls to acquire Brad Miller

I talked about this with TZ during one of our our secret SBNation conclaves….

Miller is a pretty ideal complement to a Thomas/Noah frontcourt. He just has to be big, and play some pick/pop.

So I re-submit to you: Gooden/Hughes for Miller/K9.

All players expire in 2010 except Gooden, who expires this season.

You can’t have Noah, you may be able to have Thabo, or perhaps a future (protected) 1st.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 23, 2008 2:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd do that for the monetary savings alone

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Oct 23, 2008 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

honestly

Hughes is a filthy pile of stink I don’t want anywhere near young, impressionable Kings. K-9 wastes contract space, but Hughes can affect a team.

I really care nothing for Gooden.

That first, though, I could enjoy. Assuming we flip Gooden, I’ll do it just to see what Petrie can do with five first round picks. Yes. We’d need to get rid of players just to make room for them.

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by iashwash on Oct 24, 2008 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well done

I AM section214’s post. On some level I want to hold on to Miller because he’s productive and a good guy. (I couldn’t care less about the weed thing.) On the other hand, he makes ridiculous money and getting high (REALLY HIGH) draft picks is a good thing. The draft class this year seems a bit weak though, so sometimes I think we should hold on to him until next season. I’m confused.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Oct 23, 2008 2:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

section214, wordsmith to the stars

Can I pipe in to applaud section214? Mad genius of a writer, this one.

by Ziller on Oct 23, 2008 2:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

After watching a few

preseason games I’m of the opinion that we need Miller more then ever. I’m not a shawes hater but am not a huge admirer either. Maybe I’ll change my mind after the first five games. If we have the opportunity to make a trade that improves more then hurts the team do it. If not, Brad’s highest trade value is going to be a next years trade deadline.

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by Bluejohn on Oct 23, 2008 2:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you

While Brad is not perfect, he’s the best of our bigs right now. That much is obvious.

So Section, is this simply journalistic sensationalism?

by KingsFan on Oct 23, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well damn

I wasn’t torn at all until I read this piece. Thanks a lot, Section. I love the veteran leadership, and I think Miller has a lot in the tank. Given the basic question, I would have simply said that I was all for keeping him. But there is something to be said for ditching him as well, as Section has so eloquently pointed out.

I argued that exercising the options on Douby and Williams felt like we were trying to hold onto the past or the status quo, instead of moving forward. I believe I’m still going to be in the “keep Brad” camp, at least for a while longer. I think he’s a different aspect of our past, much as Bobby Jackson is still relevant and important to this team. There’s the previously mentioned leadership ability, but simply put the guy is still a playa. When Miller’s on, he’s on. He’s good. And when he’s off, he’s still a guy who finds a way to contribute. That’s something that seems to be harder and harder to find. This is a guy who knows how to win, and that’s some knowledge I like holding onto.

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by Exhibit G on Oct 23, 2008 3:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The pictures...

are the best part of your posts! (Quincy’s was the best yet i think)

My gut says we keep Brad this year and MAYBE move him next year, but he may wind up finishing his contract here because of his selfless play. He’ll be willing to play less minutes in favor of Hawes and he’s got to be one of the top 5 backup centers in the league.

by debrixtha1 on Oct 23, 2008 3:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I know he’s a contract we could move for picks and young players but don’t we already have two first rounders for next year and a decent amount of young players. We also have K-9, Mikki, and Salmons to trade. I’m definitely not saying we should stop accumulating assets, I just think that Brad could be one veteran worth keeping after his contract expires (at a fair $ amount of course) and not dealing . He could back up Hawes like debrix said and be a great reserve at the center position.

Look at this for the future (again, not saying is going to happen, let’s just dream):
PG – Beno, Rubio
SG – K-Mart, draft pick or free agent
SF – Cisco, Greene
PF – Bosh (’10 free agency), JT
C – Hawes, Miller

Does that sound like a good team? I may be moving away from the Miller topic a bit but I think he’s contract expiring would allow us to get Bosh and if we are lucky we get Rubio next year, this is a team e could have. OF course, there’s plenty of other things that need to happen, like moving Salmons and just making sure we have enough cap space to sign CB. Another positive could be getting continuity out of the C position. I don’t know, just a very optimistic thought. WE are not going anywhere until at least the ’10 season anyway, right?

by eduardo_m7 on Oct 23, 2008 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

.....or another option......

What if Brad plays out his contract and resigns at a reasonable price to back up young Mr. Hawes? Unless his skills deteriorate badly (in which case his trade value as goes down), you could do worse as a back up.

by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Oct 23, 2008 4:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Brad has said he wants to finish his career with the Pacers

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Oct 23, 2008 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Section

You remind me of a guy who always discards four cards playing five card draw. ;)

by KingsFan on Oct 23, 2008 4:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't get your meaning,

but then again, I’m not that deep.

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by section214 on Oct 23, 2008 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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