Game Thread: Preseason #8 vs Houston, The Thrilling Finale
by Tom Ziller on Oct 23, 2008 6:02 PM PDT
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PrintA couple weeks ago, you could look at preseason two ways:
"We'll be able to see what these young bucks have got without the mortal tethers of needing to win every game. Donté Green for 30 minutes? Yes please! Bobby Brown running the offense? Yes please!"
... or ...
"No one woulda thunk the Kings could win 38 games last year. No one thinks the Kings will win 38 games this year. Kevin Martin, John Salmons, Beno Udrih: show me somethin' good."
I neglected to account for this third, bitter possibility:
"Our defense will look historically bad. Everyone but Kevin Martin will have terrible stretches. Quincy Douby will miss the whole shebang, Shelden Williams will fall behind Kenny Thomas on the depth chart. Spencer Hawes will look alright in total but will get completely and totally destroyed by Greg Oden ... twice. The kids will show more weakness than electricity. Beno Udrih won't play the last week. Francisco Garcia will strain his calf and miss at least the first week of the regular season. Reggie Theus will not grow a mustache."
That's the reality, folks. Cheers.
Merciful end, thou art upon us. Free us from this exhibition prison without further injury or embarrassment.
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Thank goodness
Exhibition is almost over.
Let’s hope the young un’s can have a break out game and the Kings can win big this season. That’d be good
BOOK IT!
Nice preview
Let’s go into the season on a high note. Go Kings!
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
here
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
2 early fouls on
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Kevin
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Hawes 3pt.
no, no, no ok.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Like the hustle down the floor
for a dunk though Hawes!
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
I would
much rather see Hawes making a putback in the paint then a three.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Against Yao
is not such a bad idea. Yao is not coming out to guard him at the 3 point line so he has to make him pay. As long as he’s hitting his shots from the perimeter, it should be ok.
Wish Salmons wouldn't
force it into traffic so often.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
I didn't want to ask
for the impossible.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
True
I mean, I guess everytime teams needs someone who could do that from time to time. Not 50% of your posessions though.
no doubt
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
it's hard to shoot an airball in the paint
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Sheldon
1st big off the bench. Reggie really plays head games with his rotations.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
I stand corrected
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Gonna be
a tough one to win if we let them shoot 69%.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
I also don't like
Brown and Hawes being the two top shooters and being 2-11 combined. Kevin might have to go Kobe on them and demand the ball.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
That's a nice looking move by JT
didn’t make it but got the foul.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Nice move
in the paint Spence
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
nice move in the paint spence
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Wow Shock and Hawes
very nice move.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
11 pts. 6 boards
2 Asts. for Hawes
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
nice huste spencer!!!
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
9 boards now
5 offensive
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
4 offensive
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Kings on a 17-4 run
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
nice follow by JT
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Can we end it?
Seriously, I’d feel great for six days if the team just forfeited the second half. Buy the 27 fans in the building a new car as an apology.
15 assists
7 TOs. much better than previous games. HOU 9 ast 12 TOs, also very good for us.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Yeah
The ball movement for the Kings was spectacular, except for a stretch near the end of the first quarter. Brown and Salmons are pounding a bit too much, but overall the flow has been great. Martin’s moving, Hawes is passing, Thompson and Williams have been super active.
Shawes deserves some
props for the 2nd quarter, very nice.
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+/-
Single-game plus-minus can be used to draw the wrong conclusions, but … Thompson’s +13 definitely jives with the activity level on defense he showed. Only two rebounds, but he was a big factor.
Great stuff from Hawes, of course. Nine rebounds in 20 minutes … double-double animal style coming right up.
Couple
that with the Mikki team low -8 add in his age and I really wouldn’t mind seeing a starting front court of Miller and Hawes with Shelden and JT getting big PT off the bench.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
To be Fair
Mikki started the game with rookie Bobby Brown on the floor. When Mikki was off the floor and the big run happened Bobby Brown was also off the floor. In other words, I don’t think it was all Mikki’s fault for the -8. Also Mikki was on the floor against the Houston starters in the first half
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Not to degrade Moore
Because his offense is up this year over last. But…. a team looking for fast break pts needs more than 6 rebounds out of their starting PF. Also, IMHO, the starting line of Miller & Moore contributes to the teams poor interior defense. If our guards can’t stay in front of the opposing guards, we need a front court that can provide help in the paint.
I’m not saying that it’s all Mikki’s fault, but he’s not the answer to stopping the barrage of easy layups that we’re giving up.
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Shawes made 2 nice
passes to Kevin down low, neither went in but they were both good plsys by spencer.
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just in from my soccer game
JT plus 13 looks and Kings up 7 at half is nice. How has JT played and has he been playing the 4?
some time at the 3
but he’s looked good so far.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
That justin link
has moved here now.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Spencer Hawes
dominating Yao Ming in the latter stages of the 2nd qtr.
Very impressive
BOOK IT!
They putting
Artest on Kevin now?
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
It's changed a few times
Some McGrady on him, some Artest.
Same on the other end: Salmons, Martin and Thompson (!) have all guarded Ron.
Uh
that’s a bad shot Bobby
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Bibby
Mike took those constantly. Brown (right now) isn’t a good enough shooter to take those.
Meanwhile, Spencer Hawes!
Hated them when Bibby
took them too. And Yes Spencer! being an animal in the paint.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice pass to
Mikki by Hawes.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Brown
That said about Brown — once he starts hitting them: he can get his shot off against anyone at any time. If he can find his range, he could become an absolute firestarter.
Spencer is feeling it tonight
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
21 and 13 now
Wow!
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I have to say
it’s really nice to see you posting in a game thread. We need more of your excellent insight in the discussion portion of this site. I hope it continues into the season.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Hope so
Usually have work/family stuff in the evenings, which leads to watching the games at 5 am. Game threads aren’t that fun when the game’s been over for 8 hours.
Hah
that sucks.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Hawes
is looking a lot bettter tonight then he did in the first game against Portland
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Brilliant insight by the Houston
color guy. “You’d much rather have him shoot that than turn it over there.”
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Yeah, I think in
most cases, you’d rather have him make that shot than miss it there.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's me grab my intro to logic
text book. If A > B and B > C then A > C. Yes! you are correct.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I am so glad the Kings drafted JT
look at how much I am learning here, If the Lakers took him I would have been dumb as ever, I love you all!
There's a new compliment one isn't likely to hear for awhile
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Crafty
Hawes hasn’t only been monstrous, but crafty as all hell. Over the shoulder rolls, flips, all sorts of silky nonsense. Hakeem like what!
can anyone tell me
how much bigger Yao is than GO?
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
ESPN says
Yao: 7-6 310
Oden: 7-0 285
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
K-9 in instead of Shelden
Grumble.
Jerry is bleating about how Thompson can’t play the three opposite Artest, neglecting the good work Thompson did at the three opposite Artest in the second quarter.
Yeah
I guess he just wants to give K9 a chance. I just hope we’re not seeing these screwing sub patterns in the regular season.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
trade-bait
trade-bait, trade-bait, trade-bait.
Seven million dollars of contract space, you don’t want the Kings to at least try to make it moveable?
I hate Kenny in there as much as the next guy, but doesn’t stop me from rooting for him when he goes in to the game. So we can trade him, yes. The downside to this is that I end up screaming at my tv:
“Grab that rebound, Kenny, Grab. THAT. RE-ohhhh. Set that pick, Kenny. Set. THAT. PI-aghhhhh! Get off the court, Kenny. Get. OFF. THE. COURT! Yessssss.”
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Bad foul K9
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
And the Landlord
puts the dog out.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Shelden hit a jumper!
Shelden hit a jumper!
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Brown
has 5 Ast and only 1 TO. That’s much more like what we want to see.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Make that 6 and 1
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
Jerry is wrong. I think JT can guard Ron with mixed results. And Brown is still shooting too much
yeah
I remember Ron having more trouble with Tall athletic guys than with smaller 3s.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Spence on the fast break
he’s doing it all tonight. I haven’t seen this from him ever.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Maybe
I’d put my cash on the Landlord though.
by VenomySnicket on Oct 23, 2008 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
That sucked
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Damn
could’ve used that transition 3 Kev.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Remember
that vision of K-Mart scoring at the buzzer with Artest on him, winning it for the Kings and then mouthing ‘my team.’ One can dream, right?
What do John Salmons and I have in common?
We both put our head down when he drives.
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by section214 on Oct 23, 2008 9:17 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Bummer
TZ called it. should have gone home at the half.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
There were some very
encouraging moments in this one. Bring on the regular season!
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Minnesota Here We Come!
The highlight of the preseason. It’s nice to see Spencer have a nice preseason after a tough summer league.
Beno is going to be very important this year.
Let’s Go Kings!
BOOK IT!
Good call
regarding Beno.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I was encouraged
By a few performances tonight, which is all you can ask for when you’re shorthanded the way we were against a team of the Rockets’ caliber. Hawes was the obvious one, but Jason had a nice game too. He just needs more experience, then he’ll stop getting burned by the likes of Landry, will rotate better on help defense, and his offense will come.
Is it me or does Kenny suck the life out of the team whenever he comes in? His five minute stint tonight was disastrous; he isn’t helping his trade value at all and is killing the rhythm we have on the floor. I say from now onwards go with a strict big man rotation of Miller/Hawes/Moore/Thompson (in that order).
Thomas' minutes
are dog minutes, so five seems like thirty five.
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Great game
Definitely the best one of the preseason for the Kings AND we played without our starting point guard, starting center, and first guy off the bench. Very encouraging indeed. If we would have actually use a regular season rotation we could have taken this game. The preseason had been full of dissapoinments for me personally, and this game by itself got me excited for this season. Go Kings!
First half of the Portland game
and 2nd & 3rd of this one were the best for me. I think Bjax is going to be more valuable for us then I first thought. It wasn’t Kevin’s team tonight it was Spencer’s. I liked the way he and Mikki and he and JT were playing together.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
That's a good thing
I’d like to see Spencer get more experience running the offense.
Did anybody see Shawes make a Brad face tonight?
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
If Spencer...
can give half of what he gave tonight on a daily basis, this could be a sleeper team. Add in Brad, Beno, and Garcia into the mix too. And hopefully no more experimenting with our big man rotation, giving whoever comes in a realistic expectation of minutes.
Hopefully K9 goes back to the doghouse. No dog treats for him tonight.
Another note about Hawes
He really needs to get stronger to get better position in the post. There is no way that a guy like Chuck Hayes should be able to keep him from getting whatever he wants down there.
I'm counting
on that coming with time as he naturally fills out over the next 2-3 years.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Oct 23, 2008 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
yup
Muscle takes time. When your spending so much time working on skills, it’s hard to hit the weights. When his practices become less intense as a result of him not having to repeat stuff over and over, he’ll hit the weight room with mroe energy and bulk-up. Example: Bynum. Got the skills down. Then got the size. Both together make an NBA player.
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