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Happy 'Dump on Spencer Hawes' Day!

I can't believe I almost forgot the holiday. As is tradition, let us read from the book of Amick:

"Um, Spencer's got to find himself right now," Kings coach Reggie Theus said, measuring his words when asked about Hawes' performance. "He's got to figure out where he's going to be most effective. … We're expecting him to play. He's got to show us that he's ready for that type of pressure." ...

"He doesn't know if he wants to be a shooter or if he wants to be a post player," an exasperated [Beno] Udrih said after Wednesday's practice. "He's saying, 'Hit me in the post,' but then he took like eight shots from outside. He has to decide what he likes to do so we get comfortable hitting him for the shot or hitting him in the low post." ...

"The problem is, he's letting the defense dictate what his game is," [Mikki] Moore said. "He needs to be more determined in what he wants to do. I think he needs to stop thinking so hard and just play, stop trying to impress people and just play." ...

It's good that this stuff is getting discussed early in the preseason of his second year. Better now than in Game 77 two years from now, right? But is anyone else starting to feel bad for the kid?

The most interesting point not quoted above: Udrih is one of Hawes' best friends on the team. That's almost a perfect situation, and Beno -- God love him -- needs to take control if Hawes won't. Beno is the point guard. Beno should be directing Hawes down to the post in these preseason games. I mean, it's clear that the question is rhetorical: everyone wants Hawes to be a post player. And the coach needs to reaffirm Udrih on this.

But again: one preseason game, folks. One game that didn't count, when no one had played with these guys against a real opposing offense or defense in six months. One game should not be causing existential crises. I mean, if we keep up this pace, we're going to hang ourselves before Christmas. And my wife makes delicious snickerdoodles at Christmastime, so let's calm the ---- down.

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If it were only one game ok

but it’s one game plus how many ever summer league games they played. He had the same problems in the summer league games too. Now, if you’d said calm the **** down he’s only 20, I would totally agree with that.

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by Kfan in Korea on Oct 9, 2008 7:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

what i dont understand

i was reading some write-ups of spencer when he was playing in college…they all tout him as an amazing low post player, with the ability to step out into the high post. the picture painted (to me) was that he basically makes a living in the post.

could it be that spencer just needs more reps, more playing time, to get his feel for operating in the post? maybe he needs to get into, similar to shooters, his “post rhythm”?

by sactoreg on Oct 9, 2008 7:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Eh, it's pre-season

The real concern is how Hawes’ game may look against Memphis on November 5. We just don’t know if the kid can play through depression, whether mental or Great.

Still, they need to fine his ass for any shot he takes outside of 9 feet in the preseason. Same with Greene.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen.

by andy sims on Oct 9, 2008 7:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Greene is a small forward

So he’s justified in shooting from the outside, though I don’t want to see an over reliance on the three ball.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Oct 9, 2008 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

draft express says his perimeter shooting is a strength

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Donte-Greene-1066/ his college shooting % was so low because of shot selection and high usage but his shot is actually fairly pretty.

by passionforPERPS on Oct 9, 2008 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope he figures it out

I got to keep my Spencer Hawes jersey from the luckiest fan competition. I’d like to wear it to a game some day.

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by section214 on Oct 9, 2008 8:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ha! Rec'd

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Oct 9, 2008 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, socialist windbags can throw off a guy's game

Spencer, concentrate on Sarah and on Mrs. John McCain: Those are much better pictures to have in your head than some Mao-lovin’, Chicago thug.

Alright, Otis, you and I just spammed this thread with political chicanery. We are both going to thread hi-jacking hell! ;)

by Kusian on Oct 9, 2008 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd!!

Because I miss the banter. :)

My post was joking, but part of my brain wonders if Spencer is depressed about what’s going on right now (aka McPalin getting slapped around). When I was his age, I was attached to my politicians like a baseball/basketball/football team. Being a young Dem voter in the Reagan era was pretty traumatizing…and humbling. LOL

This could be an interesting psychological experiment. Let’s compare Spencer’s numbers for the month of November and then for the month of December (I figure a month and he should be done mourning) and check the difference. ;)

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Oct 9, 2008 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Banter and the use of chicanery!!!

Felt like I was watching GoodWill Hunting.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Oct 9, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My favorite part of that movie is

When Matt Damon punches another guy out. I was hoping he’d do the same to Robin Williams when he was doing the ’foul pole" dance.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 9, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Young

Like I said in the game results thread, the talent is still there. Spencer is never going to be a defensive force, but he’ll figure out how to play on offense. I absolutely agree with TZ that Beno should be directing Hawes if Spencer doesn’t know where he should be on the floor.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Oct 9, 2008 9:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's Reggie's job

Coach Theus should nip this in the bud now. It was painfully evident that the Kings are lacking in the inside defense and rebounding aspect. Any team the Kings play who has a physical big man in the middle (most of them) will be real trouble. Miller coming back won’t be able to help that much. Hawes needs to hit the weights, bulk up and man up. The Kings don’t need another outside shooter. They have plenty. They need somebody who will bang and work the boards. Theus needs to put it to Hawes bluntly. You either play down low and in the post or start lobbying for a trade.

by KingsFan on Oct 9, 2008 9:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's mental not physical

Moore is smaller that Hawes, and probably just as strong. Watch Moore putting everything he had into keeping Oden from getting position. Even K9 put up a better fight than Hawes. Hawes never got physical. He didn’t use his lower body to kept anyone out of the paint. He didn’t move to block out anyone. On his first foul he stuck out his arms and Oden push his arm out of the way, slid in , got the rebound and the foul on Hawes. He just doesn’t try to be physical.

Offensively, he needs to take his time, but decide to go strong. Make someone block him or foul him trying.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Oct 9, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Learning
He didn’t use his lower body to kept anyone out of the paint. He didn’t move to block out anyone.

This stuff, like footwork, seems simple but isn’t. This is why there are multiple “Big Man” camps for pro basketball players every year. The reason that K9 and Moore were more effective is because they’re vets. They’ve learned how to play against guys that are bigger/stronger/faster. Hawes just hasn’t learned those skills yet. Again, he’ll never be an NBA stopper, but I’m sure he’ll learn to be more effective than he was last night.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Oct 9, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not just skill set

it’s also the will to battle. Hawes plays with no fire. I didn’t expect him to keep Oden from getting to where he wanted to go, but I’d of like to see more fight in the effort to stop him. Holding your arms out like a crossing guard, didn’t stop Oden on that first position and was the beginning of Hawes getting into foul trouble.

Williams couldn’t stop Oden from backing him down to the point that Williams lost his footing and started to go down. Rather than let Oden have his way, Shelden grabbed Oden’s hip and pulled him down with him. No vet skill just the will to not lose.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Oct 9, 2008 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moore' comments

Oddly enough, I find Mikki Moore’s comments to be the most insighful. If anyone in this league has found a way to succeed through his own strengths, it’s Mikki. I’ve bagged on him around the site in the past, but he really has come a long way (I remember him being rated around a 55 in NBA 2k2). And he certainly didn’t get this far by changing his game to try to impress a thousand different people. He plays hard, hustled, and played his game. I think his assessment of Hawes is correct, he’s trying to be everything to everyone. Hawes has the physical game, I think he’s working on mastering the mental game.

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by Exhibit G on Oct 9, 2008 9:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweet, is he up to a 58?

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Oct 9, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

Even though it’s not a joke. ;-)

by smgmatt on Oct 9, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not leaving Em City anytime soon either

And what wizard are you talking about?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Oct 9, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless it's a Wizard of Oz joke

And I’m too tired to get yellow brick road jokes today.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Oct 9, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was an Oz joke

Just click together the heels of those ruby slippers and chant “There’s no place like ARCO”.

Or perhaps the Wizard will grant our gifts if you throw a bucket of water on Nate Mc Millen.

Can’t you see the scene? “And for you, Scarecrow, uh, I mean Mikki…”

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by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 9, 2008 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll get you my pretty,

and your little dog, too!

Woof!

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by section214 on Oct 9, 2008 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of dogs...

If it were in my power, I’d give K9 a new home.

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Oct 10, 2008 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Enough blame to go around

NO One looked good offensively except Cisco and maybe Greene’. Defensively the man to man coverage was horrible. So, let’s not just concentrate on Hawes.

Yea , he got 3 quick fouls on Oden’s big opening night. IMHO, 2 of them were bad calls. With Miller out Reggie had to sit Hawes for the rest of the half. Coming back in he gets blocked by Oden, but that was only one of the six blocks they got on us. Hawes never got totally back into the offense, but neither did anyone else.

I watched the video’s of Hawes and JT going against each other in the low post. Neither seemed to have a problem scoreing on each other, and neither did a great job defending. Maybe, if they had a good low post defender they could work with they’d have a chance to get better. I never found it helpful to practice against someone I could easily beat.

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by HighTops on Oct 9, 2008 12:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I talked about this yesterday TZ

Where I think Spencer has to make a decision. He has to start somewhere, and for him, with this team, and his abilities, that has to be down low. He might be better suited to match up against Greg Oden outside, but if he can’t take anybody else down low, he isn’t much more useful anyway.

I really would like to see the Kid focus on doing 3 or 4 things really well, then expanding his game as he goes. If Reggie kept it simple with him I’d be happy. I’m not really sure this is a good or bad tact by Reggie but time will tell. If Udrih criticizing him, and telling him, hey kid get your ass down there works, then it’s a rather shrewd move. It’s, unfortunately, a very hit or miss move though in my opinion.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Oct 9, 2008 12:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I also think the point of not being able to enjoy the wife's snickerdoodle's is important too

It’s not life or death after one basketball game. I just don’t think yesterday’s game was a cause of Oden or rust either. I think it’s a directional issue with Spencer. The rest of the team that is a valid argument for (Beno, Salmons especially).

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Oct 9, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is preseason

That is true, but it’s unwise to ignore clear aspects of Spencer’s game that need work. That article in the Bee was excellent, IMO, in pointing out some things that Spencer has to improve on in order to be effective. He needs to commit to being primarily a post player first of all, and not Brad Miller’s backup clone. He needs to have that mentality every game, and if he focuses on it then he will gain confidence there.

Oden is a monster. But Spencer’s going to have to get over that mental block that prevents him from going at Oden in the post regardless. Because there will always be an “Oden” who will physically be over him. It’s time to stop playing scared.

And yet, it is Game 1 of the Preseason, and we’re talking about the holes in a 20 year old kid’s game. That kind of expectations should speak volumes about the kind of talent that Spencer has.

by Scirocco on Oct 9, 2008 1:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Appologies to Lucky Day
Oden is a monster. But Spencer’s going to have to get over that mental block that prevents him from going at Oden in the post regardless. Because there will always be an "Oden" who will physically be over him. It’s time to stop playing scared.

In a way, each of us has an Oden to face. For some, shyness might be their Oden. For others, a lack of education might be their Oden. For us, Oden is a big, dangerous man who wants to beat us. But as sure as his name is Spencer Hawes, the people of Sacramento can conquer their own personal Oden, who also happens to be the actual Oden!

by smgmatt on Oct 9, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Right On Target

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by HighTops on Oct 9, 2008 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, I'm gonna go out on a limb

and predict that Shelden gets his option picked up even if it is a bit overpriced. I think the Kings are concerned enough that Hawes development will be a longer rather than shorter term project that they will want to put a stop gap in place to shore up the center position. It’s only 1 year and they can then re-assess the situation at the end of the season. They could look to sign or trade for another center but Shelden is a bird in hand and played well enough in recent history (i.e. end of last season to the present) to be the least risky option. I think the biggest effect of this Hawes situation is to create a huge opportunity for Shelden to get some minutes at center.

by hozr on Oct 9, 2008 1:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good call

… though watching Williams through another few games (and the associated practices) would be prudent.

by Ziller on Oct 9, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

They have until the 31st to decide right?

by hozr on Oct 9, 2008 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too concerned with $

Yes Shelden’s salary is high for a rookie that isn’t a big time scorer. But, just as Greene’ defense is expected to get better over time , so can Williams offense. His defense is exactly what was perdicted when he was drafted. Neither Oden or Przsbilla scored while he was guarding them in the 1st half.

As, far as the salary, what are you going to have to pay a vet if you release Shelden and have to replace him. MLE at least, unless you can trade for a star. Then your talking 14M or more. So, what he makes , a $1M or $2M over a 28th pick isn’t what’s important. Worry about his salary at the end of his rookie contract. Then if he isn’t worth at least the MLE, don’t extend him.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Oct 9, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Point

However, extending/not extending Williams could be the difference between being $9 million vs.$13 million under the cap. That could potentially make a difference on the FA market next year.

If Williams earns the extension, great. But $4.3 million is a lot of money to this team in relation to next year’s flexibility.

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by section214 on Oct 9, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Next year?

Do you mean off season ‘09? I don’t think we’ll be in position to make a FA run in 09 unless we trade Miller(not looking like a good idea) and/or K9(not likely) for expiring contracts.

So 4.3 for Shelden next season shouldn’t be an issue. We’ll be over the cap and under the tax, unless we resign BJax for close to what he’s making now.

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by Kfan in Korea on Oct 9, 2008 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct and corrected

I was looking at the tax threshold, not the cap. However, the fact remains that $4.3 million is more than chump change. I’m not saying don’t extend Williams. I’m just saying don’t extend him if he is only slightly less expensive meat bi-product. I would love to see him earn playing time and an extension.

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by section214 on Oct 9, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if the Kings don't pick-up the option on Williams...

he is still a RFA and they can match any offer extended to him. It’s not like this guy has done anything to warrant a lot of interest so the Kings might as well take the gamble and make him play for his paycheck. At this point I wouldn’t pay a million a year for the Landlord let alone 4.3.

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by jjham15 on Oct 9, 2008 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that's true

If you don’t pick up the option, he becomes an unrestricted FA.

Per LMCoon Salary Cap FAQ Question #41:

If the team invokes both options (keeping the player for all four seasons) then the player becomes a restricted free agents following his fourth season … If the team declines either option, then the player enters free agency as an unrestricted free agent.

[emphasis mine]

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by Kfan in Korea on Oct 9, 2008 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They lose Bird Rights too

Which won’t be a problem if they want to re-sign Shelden next off-season anyway.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 9, 2008 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting point...

But couldn’t they do pretty much the same thing with Mikki, and wait until after the season to make that choice?

It’s basically a zero-sum gamble. Mikki’s $6.2M may be $2M more than Shelden’s $4.3M next year . . . until you remember that Mikki’s buyout is about $2M. There’s no fiscal difference next year between keeping Mikki or Shelden, and you get the added bonus of not having to make that decision now (it could end up saving $4M if they decide Hawes is ready).

Plus, Miller’s on the books next year as well, so if they decline Shelden’s option and think that Hawes isn’t ready, then they just have to not trade Miller!

by smgmatt on Oct 9, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking

that Mikki’s primary role is a 4 and the Kings won’t want to put him at 5 for many minutes. Same goes for JT. Plus, Shelden is showing himself to be a better defender than Mikki and he’s potentially part of the youth movement. OTOH, Shelden is a kind of a K9 clone in that he’s short for a 5. If that image doesn’t send shivers up your spine I don’t know what does. Shelden hits his free throws though so that’s a plus in that comparison.

by hozr on Oct 9, 2008 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shelden isn't a 5

Williams is a 4 that can play the 5 just like JT. I don’t believe anybody on the Kings is looking at him as a back up center, unless Hawes or Miller go down.

I can’t believe this obsession on $. We’ve payed Millions for PF that can’t rebound or defend in the low post. Now, we’re quiviling over $1M or $2M over a rookie contract. To get a replacement rebounder or scorer your going to pay twice as much.

Whether or not Moore is on the team next year is uncertain, but I believe everyone hopes that he isn’t the starter at the 4. So, why would it be ok , to pay the backup $6M , but not pay Shelden $4M.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Oct 9, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's say

You don’t extend Williams and you buy out Moore. Now let’s say that Carlos Boozer exercises hit ETO and the KIngs have $15+ million in cap space. This is why you have to be careful in extending Williams. $4.3 million is not a lot of NBA money. It’s just potentially a lot of money in this situation.

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by section214 on Oct 9, 2008 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will be no cap room in 09/10

I think it’s already be pointed out. That with the $3.5M in raises and the $6M for Cisco and the approx $3M for the two 1st round draft choices, there will be no cap space next year. If the Kings don’t pick up QD & Shelden and buy out Mikki, they basicly still only have the MLE dollars.

The only way to get someone like Boozer this year or next is a trade.

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by HighTops on Oct 9, 2008 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about getting his option picked up...

…but Shelden can steal from minutes from Hawes at center if Hawes keeps playing the same. It all depends on how Shelden improves and if he keeps the same energy he had through most of Portland game and towards the end of last season.

However, I’d watch BOTH of them and see which direction they go in…

by Genesis336 on Oct 9, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be honest I was going to refrain from any negative comments after just one pre season game. I really wanted to let my fingers fly, but… The truth is, before the Kings drafted him ( I wanted Thornton) I told friends if the Kings drafted him I was done watching the team. I thought not another plodder, un athletic big man ( he actually runs the floor well, what surprise) who can’t jump over a ?. you get the picture. I realize it’s still way to premature to pass judgment on whether or not he’s a bust, but it’s not looking very good.

by deepnu666 on Oct 9, 2008 3:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Spencer

is not the answer. I know I keep harping on this, but it’s true.

And it’s not because he doesn’t have enough talent to become a good player. His offensive abilities are considerable, his shooting is gonna improve, and he might eventually become a good NBA center.

But his skill set just doesn’t in any way deliver what the Kings need from his position, namely, rebounding, at least a modicum of athleticism, and providing some hard-nose interior defense.

As far as The Landlord getting a lot of minutes at center, oh, man… if you see that happening this team is going to be hard pressed to win 20 games. I like Shelden’s hustle, but he’s a journeyman type player.

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by Mucho Moss on Oct 10, 2008 1:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Spencer + Shelden

We’re not going to be able to pick up a Center & PF. And, Mikki isn’t the anwer either.

There is this mind set here that the Center has to rebound and block, and the PF has to score and rebound. Statisticly that’s the way it usually is. But, why not the other way around?

Spenser can score and rebound from the center position. And, Shelden can rebound and block from the PF position. Plus Williams has shown the best weak side help in the post in years.( I know 1 game) I like the combo and maybe, they can work on their weakness and both improve as the year goes.

I also think that JT would work better with Brad. JT really played the pick and roll badly, Once he even ended up standing at the wing while the guard and the center drove down the paint with Bobby smashed between them. Miller could use JT’s energy and strength in rebounding, and Miller’s outside shooting would open up the lane for JT to go more to the rim.

I think it’s time for the Moore experiment to end. As much as I admire his spirit, he adds little of anything else that can’t be replaced by the rookies. Let the Children play.

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by HighTops on Oct 10, 2008 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

that the younger players need to be highlighted, so Petrie and Co. can intelligently assess the situation in what is clearly a rebuilding process.

But I also think we saw last night (as we’ve seen in the past) the problems that arise with Spencer in the middle. The guy just isn’t quick enough or athletic enough to defend very well, and the Kings get dominated inside.

Meanwhile, like I said, I like Shelden and I’m not opposed to seeing if he can give the team some quality minutes coming off the bench, getting physical, hustling, grabbing some boards and picking up fouls. But to my mind that’s the upper limit of his potential.

Jason Thompson has nice upside, but overall the Kings still need an infusion of athletic ability in the front court.

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by Mucho Moss on Oct 10, 2008 3:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Infusion of Muscle in the front court

Hawes is quick enough. He was certainly quicker and faster the Oden and Przsbilla. He just isn’t physical enough.

On defense, after he gets position to rebound he spreads out his arms and legs like a grade school crossing guard. It’s as if he expects everyone to step back. Twice Oden ducked under his arm and stepped in front of him, and Przsbilla did it also. Once Hawse had Przxbilla blocked out on the weak side under the basket, but Przs just put his shoulder into the small of Hawes back and pushed him under the rim and Przs stole the rebound.

On offense when Hawes was blocked out instead of fighting to get position he actually went off the court under the basket and came up on the other side. Completely taking himself out. Another time, when JT was fighting for the Offensive rebound, Hawes was being guarded by a guy using the arms extended position, and Hawes ended up backing away from the basket 2or 3 steps.

That’s why I think if Hawes could play defense like Shelden we’d be ok. I’d like to see Spenser practicing his low post offense against Williams instead of JT.

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by HighTops on Oct 10, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like we need a big man's coach

Oh wait a minute, we do have a big man’s coach! Let’s hope that Spencer is getting some serious one on one time with SAR right about now.

by hozr on Oct 10, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought that was what Reef was "coaching" for

Or maybe I mis-understood why he was coming into coaching.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 10, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully

coaching is the answer. I hope it doesn’t take an infusion of spine.

Since you bought up SAR, I hope he can help Shelden work on his offense. If he could help Williams get 5 or 6 more pts a game, we’re looking at a double double PF. Sweet It looks to me that JT could use a little help with his low post scoring also.

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by HighTops on Oct 11, 2008 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like he did just fine last night. Man some people are quick to judge.

by avishai on Oct 11, 2008 12:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Or your dna casts you as a homer

It’s all about the angle you choose.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Oct 11, 2008 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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