Game #3: Kings at Magic
by Tom Ziller on Nov 1, 2008 3:30 PM PDT
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PrintSacramento Kings at Orlando Magic, Nov 1, 2008 4:00 PM PDT
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Protect the ball please
and get Kevin going early. Go Kings!
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Dwight Howard
Has eyes the size of dinner plates right about now.
Questions:
Can we limit Howard to less than 20 rebounds tonight?
Can Kevin Martin still shoot a basketball?
Is Beno Udrih even awake?
Is Spencer Hawes going to continue as the best player on the team?
Is success in this game defined as losing by less than 15 points?
I would very much like this game to be less of a debacle than the last one. GO KINGS!
Shut up and Coach
Quick 2 for Kevin
that’s a good thing
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
speedracer looks like he needs a pitstop
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
i'm geting that feeling again
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Nice pass Beno
and strong finish for Mikki
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
2 quick fouls on Hawes
Didn’t see that comin
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
I'm a little surprised
Reggie didn’t put Mikki on Howard. Protect Spencer a little.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
May need his fouls
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Spencer realizes it
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
That was very ugly
Kevin.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
kevs looking like his rookie year
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
7 on the Kings
1 on Orlando.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Weird but I agree with Peaches
They are taking the fake too much and leaving their feet. All the second line can do is foul after that
He and Shelden are
the only bigs without 2 fouls
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
mikki has one I think?
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on Nov 1, 2008 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
nope you are right
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on Nov 1, 2008 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
He was also that went to help on TOny Battie and left Hedo for the 3 by himself
Funny ho he just finds ways of upsetting us fans
Didn't he play with Hedo?
Shouldn’t he freakin know!!!!?
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on Nov 1, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Hedo was involved in
the Miller trade, which was before the Webber trade.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
k9 and douby.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Much better
Down 4 after one, which is ok. Only 3 TOs is nice.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
where do you guys get game time +/-
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
I use
Yahoo but I think NBA.com has it too.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
right - yahoo game channel
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on Nov 1, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/gamechannel?gid=2008110119
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on Nov 1, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Well that was ugly in so many ways
Shelden.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
audio
Is there an audio feed i can use to listen to the game? I tried the nba audio links for the game on two different computers and it just wont work :/
Did you try
the NBA international league pass broadband free trial. I think it should work in Australia. Oz is Australia right?
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
All Right K9
Put up a 5000000000000000. That’s 5 mins and zeros across the board.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Wow
if Howard can hit a jump hook from that far out, he’s going to have a monster season.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Where was the foul
on that Martin drive. dude was hanging on his arm
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Martin
looks a lot more like his usual self tonight. 13pts 4-8 shooting 3 ast.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
hands of stone
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
I think
the Magic announcer reads SacTown Royalty. He mentioned Kings fans complaining about Salmons “thump thump thumping” with the ball.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Yay
Kevin’s jumper looks sweet again.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Well I jinxed
that.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
He is back!!!! (Fire Stern Now!, that is)
Sorry guys, I didn’t mean to miss being around when Kevin finally had a good game, but I was in Reno….betting $1,000 on the Magic. Jk….I didn’t make it into town before tip-off, damn weather.
by Fire Stern Now! on Nov 2, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
It's crazy man
Kobe has bad games, Bron has bad games, D-Wade hs bad games. Can’t K-Mart have a couple bad games? Not saying he’s in their level but it happens to everyone
Yes
we have a bit of “chickens with their heads cut off” syndrome going on here. Hawes is a bust! Hawes is great! Kevin is a bust! Kill Beno!
It’s kind of funny really.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
out rebounded 24-14 is the reason we’re down 10. Only 5 TOs is a very good sign though.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
these guys are going to out rebound us but . . . . .
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on Nov 1, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Kevin's on fire
Now if only Beno was doing something on defense besides waving their PG’s by and it didn’t look like they were more athletic than us at every position. I’m not looking forward to 5 years of watching opposing point guards destroy us, hopefully Beno is still getting acclimated from his injury.
I never thought I'd say this
but I’m looking forward to shawes getting back in
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Hedo is a nice guy
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on Nov 1, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
kayte is a bright spot
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
In Charlotte
on the 2nd day of a back to back for Miami and Charlotte was off yesterday. Charlotte is supposed to win that game.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
great great great pass by Hawes
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
6-0 run to open the
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
right now shawes
is the energy guy team leader making the other guys better
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Gotta
hit that jumper Spence.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Is it me
Or is the broadband breaking up alot
BOOK IT!
Been good here
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
4th on Mikki
that sucks. He was doing a decent job on Howard.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
They changed it
good.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice passing
Hawes to Beno to Mikki for the dunk
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
That was a stupid
foul Mikki
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
He didn't block that off the glass?
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
jt nice rebound and pass
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
ya it was.
we just need a lot more consistency. there are flashes of good basketball here and there.
it just needs to happen on almost every play, not sporadically like right now.
JT takin it
strong
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Shelden WTF was that
but it went in!
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
We're hangin around
which is pretty much all you can ask for.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Keep it in the 8-12
range on the road, and then anything can happen in the 4th. That’s doing well against a good team on the road.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
JT showing the shooting range
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
dwight howard is good..
how about this trade:
martin + salmons + hawes + thompson + miller for D.howard haha
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
I like
jackson + salmons + hawes + K9 + miller for Howard better. ;p
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
did shelden williams dress
as an offensive player for halloween?
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
by lodisacfan on Nov 1, 2008 6:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I credit
coach Reef.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
he was only 17!
And more than likely you saw him playing against the US team? (aka 12 of the best players in the world). I thought he was still very quick and played pretty good defense.
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
I haven't seen
Jrue go against the best international teams in the world yet. so hard to compare.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I only watched the U.S. games.
I haven’t seen Jrue play at all. I think whats his name from Oklahoma is good.. but probably not nearly enough potential for a top 3 pick
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
but with a name like Jrue...
he must be an amazing ball player
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
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I'm not going to channel fire stern(?)
but Kevin is reminding me about what bill walsh said about steve deberg. He’ll have a decent line tonight and did almost nothing to help the kings win tonight.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
What?
Scoring points actually does help you win games. We have no answer for Dwight Howard, Orlando is legitimately good; our guys look like this is only the 3rd time they’ve played together. If we won tonight, it probably would have been one of the best wins of the entire season, relax, at least we look like a professional (though very young) basketball team tonight, unlike last night.
This has been a good game
regardless of how it ends. At least we played better. Fun one to watch.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Definitely
I don’t knowwhat’s up ith all the pessimism. We knew we had a chance for only one game, the Minny one, and almost got it. It’ a tough road trip. Just chill people, w are not that good of a eam. Enjoy our young players and let’s have fun at Arco
He played some
yesterday. Has been on the IR list for the other 2 games.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm really not expecting a lot
of wins this season and I’m down with that but I want to see players out who look like they want to win the game and are going to be pissed til the next one after the loss tonight. I wangt to see some passion.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
The team..
So far I am not too pessimistic. The only player I am really discouraged about is Beno. I also can’t STAND Salmons’ dribbling, but he is not playing terriblwe.
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
Beno has played well tonight
He defense sucks, but it is what it is.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
He has still had some bad turnovers.
And he defense is worse than sucks
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
2 TOs
that’s a good night.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m sorry but if this is playing well, he wasn’t worth $30, let alone $30mil. He’ll play better, he has to play better defense..
11 pts. 4 ast
2 to 1 TO-Ast ratio. 50% shooting. That’s about what he gave us last season. I think that’s about what we’re gonna get. Hopefully there will be some improvement on those numbers, but maybe not.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Shawes didn't
have a good game tonight but JT has. We might as well see the kids play
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
come'on! Hawes
Had to go up against Howard, who got him in foul trouble early
He’s just not ready – none of the kings,(SWilliams was the best) can match up with him when he he’s off – and tonight he was on!
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on Nov 1, 2008 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Offensively we played pretty well
we just don’t have an answer for Howard. Double him and they kill us with open jumpers, play him straight up and he could go for 100.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Hawes padding the stats late
now has a decent line:
14pts on 6-11 shooting 4 boards 2 ast 1bs. 4TOs are bad.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Yeah
didn’t mean for it to come across as a criticism. Just pointing out that his line turned out pretty decent.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed 100%
It really wasn’t a good game for him. But I was pleased that he worked hard at the end. Last year he had a tendency to let a bad evening swallow him up.
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I'm thinking JT is playing much better than I expected.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Jason and Kevin's resurgence and the turnover are the bright spot
But the defense overall is the rough spot.
BOOK IT!
They play like that
against a team w/o a guy like Howard and they might win.
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on Nov 1, 2008 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
forget it
Houston will win in the end
waaay too deep for OKL
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on Nov 1, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
That's it for me
but I’ll keep watching as long as shock/hawes keep showing improvement. Only 2 more games until brad comes back and that will make a difference.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Nice positives
Beno looked way better running the show, and did a good job creating some plays for others as well as moving well without the ball a couple of times for some easy buckets courtesy of Hawes, who looked like Miller at the high post a few times. Now if Beno can focus in on playing defense and Hawes starts setting better screens for his teammates, the team will better off. I feel Theus made a good move by letting Martin dribble the ball up the court a few times during the game since he was able pick his spots and get more comfortable with his offense; probably got the idea from seeing Wade dribble up the court yesterday and just doing his damage from there. Martin does so much work off the ball, but his teammates weren’t giving him the ball in certain spots where I thought he had good opportunities to score (miller does this well) , so it was the right decision to get him to dribble up the ball during that stretch since that was the time he started going off.
No complaints
It’s a loss, but I can take a loss like this. The team played decent on the offensive side of the ball. Hawes played hard as usual, and JT isn’t showing any of the shakiness that we saw in the preseason. If Thompson keeps playing like this, Mikki Moore is going to be coming off the bench by midseason.
Kevin Martin looked like Kevin Martin again and Beno was not horrible (on offense anyway). The Magic were too talented and Dwight Howard is too much of a mismatch to actually expect a win.
The team looked better, and that’s enough for now.
Shut up and Coach
by Carl on Nov 1, 2008 10:55 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
and Rec’d
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 1, 2008 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes Carl you hit it right on the head
The Magic looked like a championship team, and the Kings looked like, essentially, they’re rebuilding. Dwight Howard isn’t fair though.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Now my drunken stuper is over, I can go back to repeating myself deliriously without conscience
The biggest difference you saw between the Kings last night, without Garcia, and Miller to a greater degree, is why the Magic are probably a championship contender, and why the Kings are nowhere near that.
Watching the Magic telecast, drunk, in a loud overly expensive sports bar with a charm of a hotel lobby, with obnoxious college FB fans (is there any other kind?), they did mention that not many teams start off the season on the road. I agree with the premise, that A, starting off the season on long road trips is hard, and B, doing it without players like Garcia or Miller who can energize the team, or certain players, makes a huge difference. Should it down the road? No, but that’s the way things are today.
I still stand by the whole idea of that Kings fans need to stop be neurotic pessimist’s. Just because we’re from a boring Cowtown doesn’t mean we need to resort to cow tipping to alleviate boredom.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
I mean not many teams start off the season with a road trip
30 teams, and half of those, by the way the games are played, are done on the road. But most teams don’t start extended East Coast road trips to start the season very often.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
We always get stuck with the opening road trips
The last season we didn’t start on the road was 2003-04. Every season since we’ve had at least 3 games on the road to open the season
2004-05: The Texas Triangle – Mavs, Spurs, Rox – all losses
2005-06: Hornets, Rox, Suns – we beat the Suns
2006-07: Wolves, Bulls, Bucks – we beat the Bulls
2007-08: Hornets, Spurs, Mavs- all losses
2008-09: Wolves, Heat, Magic, Sixers – we know how that’s going
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Yup
It’s the luck of the draw I suppose. Or the joy’s of being a cowtown.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
None
The reason for the 4 game road trip is that the Kings booked Disney on Ice for that week. Per one of the Arco management.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Doesn't matter
Chicago goes on the road every year for the first month of the season because of the Carnival coming to the United Center in November. San Antonio goes on the road in February when the rodeo comes to SBC. It happens. It’s part of the game, and there’s no reason to complain. It isn’t ideal, but with young teams, nothing is.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
.641
That’s the winning percentage for the home team so far. The Kings are the only team in the NBA to have not yet played a home game. I’m not whining here – these are simply the facts.
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Yes but these facts make a sound difference
Everybody plays 82 games. Everybody plays on the road 41 times. Everybody has to go East for a game. Everybody has to go West for a game. Yes, the Kings haven’t won yet, but winning the first 3 games means nothing for the overall year to come.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, there is too much neurotic belief that these 5 games have any long term meaning.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
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