Unbridled Explosion
Golden State is not a very good team, especially once you take Corey Maggette off the court.
Is Sacramento any good? It'd be hard to watch these three home games and insist otherwise. Maggs or not, the Warriors brought Stephen Jackson, Andris Biedrins and Rob Kurz to ARCO. Rob Kurz! And at no point past the opening minutes of the third was it even close. Even with Kevin Martin -- absolutely ablaze with energy and execution -- missing the last 15 minutes, Sacramento pulled away. For every dynamic option the Warriors offered, the Kings one-upped them. Brandan Wright? Here's Spencer Hawes off the bench, with 14/11/3 in 26 minutes. Kelenna Azubuike? Here's Bobby Brown with 13/3 and no turnovers. Jason Thompson outblasted Anthony Randolph (who also happens to be the most hilarious basketball player I have ever seen). For every Warrior who gave his team a chance, the Kings had a preferred option.
This Sacramento team has talent, that is unquestioned. The youngsters off the bench -- Hawes, Thompson, Brown -- would excite any roster in the NBA. If they can play consistently (as they certainly have so far) and the starters can hang with the opposing units (as they have in the three home games and in two of the road games), this team might win a ton more games than we would have guessed a week ago.
Of course, that's dependent on Kevin Martin's health. With less than five minutes to go, Reggie Theus subbed in something like a starting lineup, despite a 13-point lead. Don Nelson had given up, so it didn't feel like a "we're in danger" move by Theus. Martin's fall was nasty, and I think we all feared he might be out a while when he limped off the court. No doubt, Theus feared the same. I wonder if putting the starters (plus Bobby Jackson at the two and Hawes in for Mikki Moore) served to take a look at a Martinless starting five in anticipation of an injury of length? Theus has to be concerned about where the offense would come from. You aren't going to get Detroit to play up-tempo (though perhaps Allen Iverson changes that some). Slowing the game down hurts the Kings -- Brad Miller is better in the half-court, and perhaps Beno Udrih is as well. But Salmons, Jackson, Moore ... those guys are much better in a game like Sunday's. Without Martin, you'd be depending on the surest of hands to compete with Detroit, because you won't have someone to bail you out with a procession of ridiculous buckets.
I didn't see anything out of the reconstituted starting five in those final minutes
(the Warrior five was awful, and the game was out of reach). But just seeing them on the court together made me worry a bit. I love you, BoJax, but I really hope you don't have to start on Tuesday.
(If the season ended today, the Kings would be the eighth seed. Too early?
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Unbridled Bipolarism
Why is it that we’re either going to lose “a ton” of games or, now, get into the playoffs? Citing a recent article by … you… Reggie Theus has no discernible strategy, and last night didn’t change much, aside from having Brad as our point guard, essentially. Without a core offensive and defensive identity, we will definitely have streaks where we gut it out with superior pick-up type ball against lesser opponents. (and I’d say last night without Monta and Maggette, GSW was by far a “lesser” opponent)
However, against a team with an ounce of defensive prowess, I give us little chance. I am optimistic that we can definately bump our final record up maybe 5 games, but a .500 record, or PLAYOFFS? Ehh… not so much.
by Citadel 29 on
Nov 10, 2008 8:02 AM PST
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We’re beating up on bad teams, and the Warriors as currently constituted, are really, really bad. Beating up on bad teams is great when you’ve got a bunch of young guys, but it’s fool’s gold. Hawes, Thompson and Brown all have futures in the NBA, and they’ve all performed admirably in the regular season. But let’s not fool ourselves. Memphis, Minnesota and the current Warriors team are among the three worst in the NBA. All beating them at home proves is that the Kings aren’t the worst team in the NBA. I’m not complaining, because after last week’s road trip, I wasn’t so sure about that.
Shut up and Coach
by Carl on
Nov 10, 2008 9:14 AM PST
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In the Kings defense...
It appears that there might be more “bad teams” this season than at first thought. As long as the Kings are showing an ability to win which they did not do in week one then I am a lot happier as a fan. The Kings don’t make the schedule and if they didn’t start with four games on the road they would probably be over .500 already.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
by jjham15 on
Nov 10, 2008 9:31 AM PST
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Remember last season
We did better against the GOOD teams and lost a bunch of games to bad teams. Just reversing that could Possibly get us to .500. Assuming KM is playing (it looked more like a head/body fall to me than any more real damage to the ankle, but what the hell do I know?) the next four or 8 games look like there are some very winnable games.
Can SA beat us right now? I think not.
Phx? Could be a good game at ARCO (I’ll be there)
The next two games are very important, we definately need the kids to keep stepping up and getting better. This next week could get them ready for the tougher schedule later – but we need some wins baby.
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on
Nov 10, 2008 10:50 AM PST
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If the Kings bump up their record 5 games a year ago
They’ll be at 43-37. THAT is a 500 record.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Nov 10, 2008 3:07 PM PST
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Did you see the BDL pwr rankings?
They rank us below the Griz who have beat the warriors twice for thier only 2 wins – and we beat them W/O B52… (and Cisco of course)
whatever
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on
Nov 10, 2008 3:30 PM PST
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5 games over the average preseason opinion
cmon.
by Citadel 29 on
Nov 10, 2008 4:09 PM PST
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What of the other 2 games?
Am I missing somethin’?
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on
Nov 10, 2008 6:54 PM PST
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Cautiously Optimistic.
I think that’s how we all started the season and how we all view the season today.
One bit of good news, ESPN is reporting that x-rays on K-Mart’s ankle came back negative, meaning no structural damage. My guess is that he’ll probably miss a week resting it.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
by moproblemz on
Nov 10, 2008 8:18 AM PST
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A week?
I think your probobly right with Martin missing a week of action. However, the thing that really troubled me about that fall for Martin was that………
It looked like the man was crying when he came out of the huddle to shoot the free-throw. Anybody else see this?….I sure hope he wasnt
by Hoops916 on
Nov 10, 2008 1:09 PM PST
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Waaaa! to you!
Pain hurts dude. I’d like to check your eyes after a body slam.
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by lietothegirls on
Nov 10, 2008 1:35 PM PST
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Its OK now for men to show pain and emotion
you’re just not PC dude.
(just messing with you – but it was a nasty fall – I was there, it sounded like his head bounced off the floor pretty hard, a real meaty coconut CLUNK sound)
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by lietothegirls on
Nov 10, 2008 3:48 PM PST
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I couldn't figure that thing out
Watching the replay, I was trying to see what contact led to such a gnarly fall. Plus, I still couldn’t see where he hurt his ankle.
The contact with the floor was pretty severe though, I figured he had some whiplash.
Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.
by otis29 on
Nov 10, 2008 4:29 PM PST
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There was a lot to like
last night…..offensively. However, our defense was terrible. TERRIBLE. Even at home, we are not going to beat a good team playing that badly. How many layups did GS have last night?
But, yes, this team can score and in a lot of different ways. And, it is a beautiful to see our future playing so well on a consistent basis.
This team has to nut up on D and then prove something on the road before I start believing it can win more than 35 games. For now, I am prepared to be happy with great effort and consistent growth from our youth.
by Kusian on
Nov 10, 2008 8:54 AM PST
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hang aroung .500 for now
and there is hope for the second half. Can we hang around .500? Hell, I don’t know. But our kids have some real NBA level talent.
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on
Nov 10, 2008 11:29 AM PST
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The layup drill
We saw a lot of that last year. Our guardline has go to start defending the dribble penetration, or this team might just have to play zone all year.
Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.
by otis29 on
Nov 10, 2008 4:30 PM PST
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Enthusiasm one too far
Way too early to speculate, and I would advise against prognosticating following a string of successes. Reminds me of those who thought the housing market could only go up, because in their very recent memory it had not gone down. Our offense has looked good – but against teams w/o any defense. And our defense has been consistently bad. Our kids look good now, but they look good against bad teams, and their freshness will wear off as the season drags on.
by sactown on
Nov 10, 2008 9:08 AM PST
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This is true
But it’s hard NOT to be enthusiastic right now. Sure, we played some pretty horrible teams, but we blew all three of them out. Even the Memphis game was a blowout until Hawes fouled out. We didn’t just look good against those teams, we looked like we were on a whole different tier.
We’re obviously not a title contender right now. Nobody is predicting us to be a top seed in the West. But the eighth seed is up for grabs, and why can’t the Kings be in the mix? Right now we are AT the eight seed, and look at the teams below us:
8. Sacramento 3.0
9. Memphis 3.0
10. Dallas 3.5
11. Golden State 4.0
12. San Antonio 4.0
13. Oklahoma City 4.5
14. Minnesota 4.5
15. LA Clippers 5.0
I’m looking at that list and only Dallas and San Antonio jump out as teams that could potentially leapfrog us, and Dallas has looked awful thus far and the Spurs are going to be running a squad of Duncan and a bunch of D-Leaguers.
I’m going to remain cautiously optimistic, but this next game against Detroit should be very telling.
by Scirocco on
Nov 10, 2008 10:45 AM PST
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Good post
I’d also say that of the two teams above us, we beat Portland 3 of 4 last yr and I think Denver is a real question mark (they’re probably about right there though). Portland obviously has some very talented players but you wonder about thier total lack of veterans/experience should they start struggling. They were a sub .500 team last year if you equal out that win streak at mid-season.
I’ve been saying all Summer that I thought one or more of SA, PHX, Dallas would fail to make the playoffs. We’ll see, its early, but the West though still very strong at the top, looks like a normal year again at spots 6-8. 44 wins or so probably does it fo rthe 7&8 seeds.
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on
Nov 10, 2008 11:21 AM PST
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Game Notes
As for our team, I harassed a GS fan the whole game. He pointed out several times that some of thier players were 1st and 2nd yr guys, I pointed out (loudly) that OUR 1st and 2nd year guys totally schooled thiers and actually increased the lead when they were out there.
I asked Bavetta numerous times to give us back our 2002 Championship and quiried whether he had ever watched the tape or as saving it for his deathbed memoirs and confessions.
I had very good seats just a few rows behind the GS bench and repeatedly asked Donnie if he really wanted to put himself through this, he’s an old guy after all, repeatedly reminded sJackson that it would be a Looong season and he should think about his ‘opt out’ clause next summer, told Turiaf not to ’Don’t take it so hard, you’re just not a very good player, but everyone thinks you’re a great guy!’ and suggested Belinelli start feeding pasta to his teammates.
(Seriously, we looked buff compared to thoe guys and THATS saying something)
NOTE:
Hawes keeps on looking Very, Very good. He’s clearly a Player in this league and will if nothing else be a consistant scorer. It looks like he’ll be more than that though.
Biedrins is better than I thought, though about 1/3 of his rebounds came from retipping his own shots, sometimes several times.
BMiller has a very high BBall IQ (as KM says), its amazing at all the little and big things he can do to make it easier for his teammates.
BoobyB looked very good, very comfortable. It sure looked like he’ll be sharing a lot of Beno’s minutes if beno doesn’t improve soon.
JT looked a little frustrated, but his numbers really wern’t that bad – though he missed some easy rebounds, easy shots, mishandles a pass or two.
Mikki looked like Mikki, an energy guy with very bad hands – and less energy than in the past (age?).
Salmons was solid again, just what we need, didn’t stop the ball, very good on Jackson.
KM was unstoppable.
Donte’ looks very raw.
Bobbyj provides energy and spark, his actual effectiveness? Not so good.
The team looked like they were having a lot of fun out there, exceptions Beno and JT, who as I said, looked frustrated. Take it easy kid.
I did see an offensive scheme out there, push it whenever possible, try to get easy chances, pull back and let Brad or BobbyB (really) run the half court.
ASSIST Numbers.
i said this yesterday but I think its worth repeating, our assist aren’t that high because with Cisco out we just don’t have a lot of players who ‘catch and shoot’, even KM tends to take a dribble or two and then spot up fairly often. Chris Paul, as great as he is, has three guys who make thier LIVING on the ‘catch and shoot’.
It was nice to see that Brad realize at one point that he doesn’t have to save his fouls so carefully, we’ve got some other guys who can come in (Finally!). I thought I saw it on his face when he fouled Biedrins hard. he looked around, smiled and relaxed. The last two years I think he was really concerned about that(hey, for good reason).
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on
Nov 10, 2008 11:11 AM PST
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Great Points
The point about Theus’ attack, and what he’s trying to do, I do think has been answered. How well the KIngs can do it tomorrow vs Detroit should be quite a bit telling.
Excellent post. Rec’d.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Nov 10, 2008 3:11 PM PST
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Yep
A pretty good team coming in next. Hopefully KM is Okay so we can make some judgements compared against them.
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on
Nov 10, 2008 3:27 PM PST
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Since it's not looking that way
I’m hoping for a competitive game. It’s a good thing the Kings won the last 3 games, or Reggie’s head would be demanded on a platter right now.
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by pookeyguru on
Nov 11, 2008 3:00 AM PST
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A couple of thoughts
1) It shouldn’t be surprising at all that we didn’t appear to have an offensive identity the first four games. Our PG was still coming back from injury and playing like crap. Our back-up PG was playing his first season with the team—and is old. Our 3rd string PG didn’t play almost at all, and was also playing his first season with the team. In addition, the center who usually runs a lot of our offense was out, and we were starting a center who had only started a handful of games with us last year.
2) What we are seeing now is not only playing more beatable teams, but the team starting to actually put together their game plan. I don’t expect to see things really gel until January at the earliest, but what I see gives me hope.
3) Those terrible teams we are playing against lately are at exactly the stage we are. They are teams with one or two veteran players and a couple of future potential stars. So the fact that we are beating them—despite them having players taken higher than us in the last two year’s drafts—shows that we are better than we might have expected. If we are actually beating “lesser” opponents—and beating them easily—it puts us somewhere higher than the young, upcoming team that even we as fans expected.
4) Lastly, what I think most Kings fans hoped for was a glimpse of what might be. That maybe our draft picks were better than the media would have us believe. What have we learned so far:
PG—Beno is still unknown, but at very least, B. Brown appears to be a solid back-up that most teams would love to bring off the bench. Can’t really give GP points here, because if Beno doesn’t work out, it kind of offsets the success of signing Brown on the cheap. If Beno plays to even average potential, it’s at least +1 pt.
SG—For those idiots writers and fans who thought Speed was overrated and would choke with Artest gone, “Sucks to be so very, very wrong huh?” +2 points for signing an All Star caliber 2 guard to a reasonable five year contract. Backup? Well, that’s another story. Hopefully Garcia fills in well, once he’s healthy.
SF—Again, all those people who said Salmons was a fluke when he started last year, prepare to eat your words. Not saying he is an All Star by any stretch, but the dif between him and Artest is not anywhere near all the dire negative predictions.
For the season, Artest is averaging 15.7 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 2.4 APG, and 2.1 SPG, in 40 minutes.
Salmons is averaging 17.3 PPG, 4.1 RPG, 3.6 APG, and 1.1 SPG, in 37 minutes.
And the kicker is that Salmons is doing this shooting 50% to Artest’s 33%. Is there a defensive drop off? Yes. Is it as huge as predicted? I don’t think so. Again, 1 pt for GP, but backup here is again a big question mark. Garcia? Yes. Double E? Not this season.
PF JT. Need we say more? At very least, this kid is the second best PF out of the draft and a solid player for the future. Upside? Could people be saying a year or two from now that he was the steal of the draft and our PF for years to come? Absolutely. Considering where we took this guy, this is 2 pts for Petrie. Yes, JT still shows his rookie mistakes every game, but the numbers don’t lie.
C This may be Petrie’s biggest coup. Remember the big, white, slow un-athletic center we drafted last year? Yeah, that’s right, the guy who can shoot a hook with either hand, is averaging two blocks a game, and would be averaging a double-double if he played 35+ minutes a game. It’s sad to see how he plods up and down the court, huh? Again, I don’t see how this isn’t worth at least a point and a half for GP. Not two, because some of his other options were gone when we got to SHawes (unlike JT this year), but a lot of people thought he screwed up.
Final analysis. We are a young team. We play defense like a team that doesn’t know and trust each other’s rotations yet. But we have either a solid player or likely future solid at every position. We will be able to keep said players with significant cap room in 2010. We have two first round draft picks next year. We have a couple of highly tradeable pieces. The pieces we want locked up long term are in long term or rookie contracts.
It does not appear that we will be cellar-dwellers this year. While it doesn’t appear that we will be contenders this year, we should definitely be in with-in two years, and we could sneak into the playoffs this year if several other teams continue to suck wind. We are much, MUCH, more fun to watch than we were all of last year. I’ll take that in a heartbeat.
"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke
by SavageBeast on
Nov 10, 2008 2:11 PM PST
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Look at you SB...
…going all “Pookeyguru” on us. :)
Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.
by otis29 on
Nov 10, 2008 2:18 PM PST
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What can I say?
Slow day at work.
"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke
by SavageBeast on
Nov 10, 2008 2:21 PM PST
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Otis is overstating it I think
Good post SB. Its early, but I concur. My biggest concerns are now at back-up SG/SF, both of which Cisco fills, seems a little thin, especially now. I’d love a pure ‘catch and shoot’ guy on the bench.
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by lietothegirls on
Nov 10, 2008 2:48 PM PST
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Yep
But how much more fun will this year’s draft be when we don’t have glaring holes to fill all across the board?
"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke
by SavageBeast on
Nov 10, 2008 2:50 PM PST
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True
I don’t know yet, but it looks like SG/SF and another Big if we give up on SWilliams. Pretty sure Mikki will be gone as well via trade by the deadline or that $2 mil buyout.
PG maybe pretty good, BobbyB looks very good so far (especially last night), which I’m sure hasn’t gone unnoticed by the staff.
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by lietothegirls on
Nov 10, 2008 3:00 PM PST
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That's a compliment right Otis?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Nov 10, 2008 3:15 PM PST
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Ya you betcha!
Certainly not a criticism, other than the fact I have to read most of your stuff on my lunch break.
Which is cool, it keeps me from having to clear out the porn on my work computer afterwards.
Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.
by otis29 on
Nov 10, 2008 4:27 PM PST
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Most of it is too long to read during 5 min stretches
Unfortunately, that’s the way the cookie crumbles. (I could work at condensing, but I’d lose stuff along the way.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Nov 11, 2008 3:05 AM PST
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Nice post
nothing to add except rec’d.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on
Nov 10, 2008 2:45 PM PST
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Ditto what Kfan said
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Nov 10, 2008 3:15 PM PST
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Great Post
….and the naysayers and Martin-haters are officially served.
I hope the Kings play out of their heads tonight without Speed.
To admit you're a Laker fan is to admit you don't know anything about basketball.
by WaymanChilcutt on
Nov 11, 2008 9:56 AM PST
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Your name is awesome
Speaks directly to the point of the early years of being a Kings fan.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Nov 11, 2008 10:09 AM PST
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I would have rec'd SB
But I’ve been sitting here at the Galleria Barnes & Noble for the better part of a month and he still hasn’t shown up…
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on
Nov 10, 2008 7:08 PM PST
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I know. Very sad.
But good news! I will be there in January. Hopefully LPA and I can catch a game.
Let's go home.-Kevin Martin
by LeaguePassAddict on
Nov 10, 2008 8:13 PM PST
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With the way tix are selling SB
I’m pretty sure you won’t have a problem with availability from the Kings end.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Nov 11, 2008 3:01 AM PST
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Hats off to you guys
I’m a Warrior fan, and I was at the game Sunday. Didn’t leave really happy, but good times nonetheless.
We played a couple quarters to keep it close, then it all fell apart. I won’t deny your team collectively heated up in the 2nd half, and we kinda fizzled out (if we were even getting hot at all….ha)
I am looking forward for the rest of the season and the series against you all. Especially when we get Monta back to contain Kmart.
by ryogahibiki on
Nov 11, 2008 11:42 PM PST
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Define "contain"
I’m guessing that when these two match up, defense will be an after thought. 65+ points combined between the two of them?
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