Options at the Two-Guard With Kevin Martin Sidelined
With Kevin Martin out for at least a week, and Francisco Garcia out just as long, what options does Reggie Theus have? Some of this has been discussed in the injury thread, but here are my thoughts.
1) Start Bobby Jackson at the two. This would certainly force the remaining starters to take on a greater offensive load. John Salmons is capable of scoring in bunches, as we saw during the Martin and Ron Artest injuries last season. Brad Miller is an infrequent 20-point scorer, but he's also limited his own shot frequency, perhaps artificially. Mikki Moore is a low-end option. Beno Udrih's shot creation becomes vital.
2) Start Bobby Brown at the two, and split ball-handling duties between he and Beno Udrih. The problems with starting Brown and Udrih together: neither moves off the ball enough to exploit Miller's passing talents, and neither has a shot at guarding someone like Rip Hamilton. It could work against the Clippers, but not against Detroit. Also, you're going to end up with an Udrih/Jackson combination at some point regardless.
3) Slide John Salmons to the two, and start Jason Thompson at the three. This is my preferred option. I know Jerry Reynolds hates the idea of JT playing any small forward, and I'm not in love with the thought of Thompson trying to chase Tayshaun Prince around the court. But the starting unit's rebounding would get a huge boost (Thompson rebounds like a center), and Salmons/Thompson is a better scoring match than Jackson/Salmons or Brown/Salmons. The Kings have a ton more depth at power forward and center than two-guard and small forward ... so if one of your power forward can legitimately play some small forward and your best small forward is your new best shooting guard, you have to consider it.
4) Slide John Salmons to the two, and start Donté Greene at the three. Pipe dream, I know. But hey, why not? It's not like the starting five's defense can get much worse anyway.
5) Pray Quincy Douby has a miraculous recovery. Yes, Quincy Douby might be our only hope.
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I have no question Coach Theus will give Jackson the start, and it may very well be the smartest move as it affects the rest of the rotation the least. Regardless of which way Theus goes (save the miraculous Douby recovery), all the guards and maybe Thompson will see an uptick in minutes. Improved performance from Udrih is the most vital need with Martin gone. All the other scorers are already playing well -- Salmons isn't going to leap to 30 points/game, and Miller can only do so much. Udrih has to step up.
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I'd go with . . . . .
option 3 and hope for option 5.
JT at the 3 mixed in with some Beno 1, BobbyJ 2 and Salmons 3.
Donte’ should get 10-15 minutes – but I’m convinced he can’t stay on the floor (though he should get some minutes here to prove I’m wrong)
Go big at them, strangly enough, its what we’ve got / are best at right now (last year I’d never thought I’d say that this year!)
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
(BobbyB fills in at both 1 & 2)
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on Nov 10, 2008 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
RIGHT!!
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on Nov 10, 2008 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
What do we know
About Douby’s injury? Isn’t he mostly just in a suit for roster space reasons?
Let's go home.-Kevin Martin
by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 10, 2008 8:43 PM PST reply actions
It didn't look broken the last time I saw him
Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.
Kudos
I just want to give a pat on the back to you and Section214 for the quantity and quality of posts here. Really nice job.
I assume Bobby Jackson will start, but probably won’t play more than 25 minutes. Donte Greene is going to get some burn.
Shut up and Coach
by Carl on Nov 10, 2008 9:16 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Which one of us is the quantity
and which one of us is the quality (as if I didn’t know)?
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Both, all or none
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Bjax will have a hard time going 24min
Unless AI has gotten very slow in his old age, the guards are going to have their hands full. I look for JT to play the 3 early so John can rest BJax. Then the Kings will switch to the zone so that Thompson doesn’t have to chase Tayshaun Prince around the court.
Of course everything depends on whether QD can toughen up and give them some minutes.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Personally
Long Comment Alter
The biggest thing I think Reggie can do is remain rigid with his rotations to make players earn spots on the floor. Greene is talented. It makes sense that he gets minutes (mins). It would make sense that he do it against reserves to get confidence. That would seemingly make sense, right? Not to me.
Donte Greene is the major asset you’re going to get from the Artest trade. The general assumption is that Greene will take time to develop, but in general, it doesn’t usually take much time for a young Swing to learn the game. Points it takes time, and big men are usually asked to take a steeper climb to reach the top than they have time for. And all but a few haven’t quite gotten to the top. But swingmen? Like Donte Greene is? They usually produce within the first year, on some reasonable level, or they don’t produce at all.
The bottom line is that if Reggie Theus insists on keeping Mikki Moore in the lineup without Kevin Martin around, it’s a bad mistake. The KIngs need all of their realistic firepower thrown against the Pistons, and they need to do so without Martin around. When Maritn is around, it makes “some” sense to keep Mikki in the starting lineup to balance the star/role player complement. That being said, the Kings aren’t going to likely to hang around against the Pistons, or anybody else, if the Kings are constantly in getting into deficits with Mikki in the game because he’s outmatched playing vs Sheed or whomever he’s checking defensively. And unless you think his offensive output will kick into the low teens (12-14 ppg), then why keep him in the starting lineup? I think with Martin’s absence, this is a time to move Mikki out of the lineup, and start Jason Thompson. He’s already outplaying Mikki, and it was only a matter of time. Now is the time, and it’s forcing Reggie’s hand, but he has to roll with the dice now. Because if he doesn’t, sayonara Reggie.
On the other hand, Donte Greene doesn’t deserve to start. But you’re going to need get minutes out of Donte. If for the most part, your best lineup without Kmart is going to be a Beno/Salmons/JT/Miller combination, with whomever is going to fill the SG/SF slot depending on where you slot Salmons, it makes more sense to put Greene out there with the best lineup, and ask him to do things that are within his control. Play hard. Be active offensively. Pay as much attention as possible. Do as best as you can on Tayshaun (tonight), and against “starting SF insert here” for the next few games. We don’t need you to win us games Donte. We need you to not be a gaping hole for the next 6 games. That’s within Donte’s capability. Because if it isn’t, Donte is a bust. And if Reggie doesn’t adjust his lineup, saying it for the 2nd time, then the greatest mistake he will be making will not be doing the best thing for this team at this moment in the time. Alot is on the line starting tonight.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2008 5:41 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Greene can
Salmons is our best chance at the 2, most would agree. That leaves JT as our best chance at the 3. But, JT probably won’t be able to chase Prince all game, so the Kings will need to play a lot of zone. Now, Greene’s main flaw is defense, because he only played zone in college. Well, maybe Theus will take a chance by playing Greene at the 3 when the Kings play zone. It would be our best chance to match up size wise with the Piston at the 2 & 3.
Our bigs match up well, so if our guards (Beno & BB) can keep up with AI, we migh have a chance.
Let’s hope that the Pistons aren’t able to break down our zone.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Yeah that's something else I didn't think about
Part of the reason is because i don’t particularly care for zones being used in the NBA, but I have no problem with teams being able to employ them (particularly in situational basis).
I think it would be a bad mistake, as I said, to keep JT & Greene out of the lineup for Reggie to keep the “veteran” integrity intact of this team. Other than Brad Miller, John Salmons and Kevin Martin, there isn’t any real veteran integrity on the Kings anyway.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Let it all hang out
Beno
Salmons
Greene
JT
Miller
Brown, Jax, Hawes, and Moore off the bench.
Stuckey not playing for Pistons
Wouldn’t it be wise to force Detroit into a jump shooting team? I don’t think we have anyone who can stay in front of AI or Rip, so going big with JT at 3 to help protect the basket makes some sense at least for this game. Iverson has never been a great jump shooter.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Nov 11, 2008 11:23 AM PST reply actions
I think
Starting Bobby Brown at the two is the best solution. He has showed well recently, especially his shooting. Have BJax come off the bench and do a three way rotation, Beno, Bobby and Bobby.
also
Have Brown defend AI. Beno would be a better match up against Prince.
game link
not sure if someone else has posted…but here’s a link

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