Magic General Manager Otis Smith said the Kings have been interested in reacquiring Turkoglu "ever since he left" Sacramento after it dealt him to San Antonio in 2003. The Kings drafted Turkoglu in the first round in 2000, making him the first Turkish-born player to reach the NBA.
Smith said the Kings have been in touch with Orlando since the Magic signed him as a free agent in 2004. He said it has been a while since the Kings made some offers for Turkoglu, and added, laughing, "They wanted to give us their trash."
Some extremely dirty pool from Orlando GM Otis Smith, revealing Geoff Petrie's plans for domination
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You got scooped!
Zenballer already opened this up, but Ill paste my comment here:
Hedo definately has a playstyle suited for the Kings… however, we have alot of money already tied up at the wing positions it seems. Without trading one of those assets, I don’t know if it’ll happen.
It was neat though to hear another GM talk about Petrie and his backroom dealings, even if it was negative. I don’t doubt Petrie was trying to make K-9 look good as expiring contract or something, but Otis obviously wasnt bedazzled. I think it could happen as Hedo comes closer to FA, as Otis will want to get something for a player leaving, and we could do a trade and sign.
by Citadel 29 on Nov 11, 2008 7:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If ZenBaller had opened a fanshot I'm pretty sure TZ would have moved it to the front page
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by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2008 7:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought about it...
I even opened up the FanShots vs FanPosts article, but the latter seemed more appropriate to me.
Anyway, given (?) that we’ll have enough cap to sign a star, I’d be happy to have Hedo for the MLE but I think I’m asking too much.
by ZenBaller on Nov 11, 2008 8:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No Worries
My general rule of thumb is that a short statement is better served with the fanshots, but a longer more drawn out idea is better served with the fanposts.
As far as Hedo for the MLE, the Kings will be on Hedo’s long list to sign for that. I think it’s more likely Orlando re-signs him at some kind of price.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2008 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No Thanks on Hedo
He’s too old, and he doesn’t play a real position of need like Vlade did when he signed at age 30.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2008 7:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind having Hedo back
However, it seems to me that he fills a pretty good niche in Orlando. Like Vlade (who Pookey mentioned above), Hedo seems to be a great fit where he is at. I’m not certain that he’d fill the same niche here.
Regardless, Hedo has turned into a very nice player, and I am always happy to see our alumni do well.
by Kusian on Nov 11, 2008 8:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hedo only just 28
So he has a good three years at least.
Orlando’s problem is that they have no lesser assets that anyone wants and are weak at PG, SG and don’t have a true PF – despite RLewis’ skills.
They have no chance as they’re made up right now, why not build around your prise piece starting now?
Really, who would you want besides Howard and Hedo?
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely not Rashard Lewis at the price they're paying him
(Don’t want him anyway. I’m just saying.)
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by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2008 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
talk about raped for life with that contract
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by Raiders19494 on Nov 11, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Disney jail time
I still don’t know what they were thinking. They needed a ‘compliment’ to Howard & Hedo, they signed a less tough, slightly better shooting version of Hedo . . . . .
Lewis had proved he wsa nothing but a complimentary piece worth 7-8 mil – but complimentary pieces have to be matched carefully with your star.
Whatever, it was a big, big mistake they can’t get out of so they might as well trade Hedo to get something that makes sense alongside Howard and Lewis.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gerald Wallace
Do you think he would make sense for the Magic?
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by hokiehess on Nov 11, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh sure
He’s a slasher/scorer they definately need.
Once again, what would Charlotte want there though?
Orlando has nothing
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was think three-way
We get Turkoglu and Charlotte gets B. Miller
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by hokiehess on Nov 11, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
naw
If we’re getting rid of Bmill we should at least get the better player in Wallace not Hedo.
by Doubl3Dos3 on Nov 11, 2008 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Hedo turns 30 during this season.
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by section214 on Nov 11, 2008 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Screw Otis Smith
Talking smack about Petrie. ONLY THE FAMILY TALKS BAD ABOUT THE FAMILY.
Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.
by otis29 on Nov 11, 2008 9:55 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
No doubt
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by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2008 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Orlando-Charlotte-Sacramento Deal
Word is that Charlotte is shopping Garold Wallace for a big man. Wouldn’t a deal with main components B. Miller, G. Wallace, and Turgulu in a three-way make some sense.
Even though Brad would be greatly missed.
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by hokiehess on Nov 11, 2008 12:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think
Wallace is due nearly $50 million through 2012-13. No thanks.
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by section214 on Nov 11, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he means we get Hedo?
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And he turns 30 this year
So it’s a salary dump?
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by section214 on Nov 11, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hedo a Free agent next year
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
And he stays here why? We don’t want to invest too much in a guy that will turn 31 in his first season under new contract, and he probably wants to go play for a championship anyway. The things that he liked about Sacramento (Vlade, C-Webb, Peja) are long gone.
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by section214 on Nov 11, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you may be right
????
Why would anyone stay on a team that isn’t ‘there’ yet?
Yet still they do sometimes
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd still be for Wallace though
I’s still do (I think) Salmons and MM for Wallace.
We’d be a playoff team this year
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No we wouldn't
I’m going to throw many things at many people if G-Dub makes a return to the EC. Many many many things. It’s time to let this fantasy go, and yall keep indulging it. What’s wrong with you people? This isn’t Hedo Turkoglu an all-star or anything. This guy gets hurt every year, and yet, because of some indulgent fantasy he can fly, you want him?
I’m going to go away now.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2008 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you hate the idea
But he’s played as many games as Brad, KM, Artest, Wade, Carmelo. . . . .
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the idea for a compendium of reasons
Why pay Wallace twice as much to do the same things Salmons does for nearly half the price? Seriously. You don’t have to trade Salmons. He’s still every bit as valuable to this team as Brad Miller or Kevin Martin is right now.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right
I still think there’s significant piece missing here though.
Take a look at my ’scorer’comment below though
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But he's not as good as
any of the players you mentioned.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 11, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We do need a 2nd guy who can just SCORE
For times when KM is out (like now), both for this year and the future.
I’m not saying he’s it, he’s just available right now. But we need that second scorer looking forward. As much as I like the young pieces, is there a true scorer there?
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scorer for the future
Spencer, Donté, Bobby Brown, Cisco, maybe JT, one or both of our ‘09 draft picks, our ’10 draft pick and/or a FA signing. If we were in a position to compete this season, maybe. But we won’t be competing for a championship in the near future so why screw up our flexibility for a few more wins this year. If when we’re closer the picture will be clearer. Make a move then.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 11, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So what then, 5 or 6 yrs 'til we try to contend?
How long is this rebuilding plan and how old will KM be by then?
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully only another
2-3 years. We’re putting together a nice core of young players. My guess is we make a trade near next year’s deadline. We trade a bit of youth, expiring contracts and maybe a pick or two for a solid vet to a team looking to rebuild(think Garnett/Gasol type deals). This vet along with Kevin, the rest of our youth and a mid-level FA signing would set us up nicely to make a run building from the 10-11 season.
I don’t see any way we contend sooner than that. The only trade I’d look to make this season is a deal that would give us youth, draft picks and/or expiring deals for K9, Moore and if the deal were sweet enough Miller or Salmons.
Your concern about our depth on the wing, while valid is not really a concern for me right now. 2s and 3s are the easiest position to find in the NBA. If it doesn’t look like Donté will fit the bill we can always pick one up down the road.
It’s a bit tight right today because of injury, but we’ve got Kevin, Salmons, Cisco, Greene, Douby and BJax on the wings. Sure if 3 of them are injured it hurts, but that’s a strange situation. If Brad, JT and Spencer were all hurt we’d be screwed in the front court too. What team wouldn’t.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 11, 2008 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, but thats not what you said
You don’t win championships with a bunch of 2nd and 3rd yr players.
Bjax and Q will be gone NEXT year (probably). So look down at my last comment. What should we look for if/WHEN we move MM at the trade deadline? Thats something to look at this year.
I’d be for a 2nd or 3rd year guy, a swing player, who hasn’t really gotten his chance yet but has a high upside. That player, if he works out would at least be grown up in 2010.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
OK, but thats not what you said
What are you talking about? If you mean when I said:
But we won’t be competing for a championship in the near future
The 10-11 season is not the near future in my mind.
A team of Kevin, Vet via trade, mid-level FA vet, Cisco, Beno and a bunch of 2nd and 3rd year players could compete. And I didn’t say anything about winning a championship in 10-11. I said building from that season. Like making the playoffs in 10-11 and building from there. So in 10-11 we’d be positioned to be competitive for the next 4-5+ years.
As far as getting any player that will help us in a trade for Mikki, I think that’s very unlikely.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 11, 2008 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing
You mentioned trading for a 2nd or 3rd year guy. I would consider that youth. I’d consider anyone 25 or under youth. So:
The only trade I’d look to make this season is a deal that would give us youth, draft picks and/or expiring deals for K9, Moore and if the deal were sweet enough Miller or Salmons.
would fit what you’re saying. I don’t think we’re in disagreement. I think we’re having semantic issues.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 11, 2008 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking about scorers
and you said maybe our ’09 or ’10 draft pick.
To be fair you did add ‘free agent’.
My point was KM is 25 going on 26, Salmons is 27-28, you can’t rebuild forever or you’re starting over again. You have to make a move at some point, probably a trade or FA signing that gets you there. I just don’t believe 2nd or 3rd year players ‘get you there’, you need some veterans, real veterans. Its incredibly hard to impossible to put together a contender on Draft picks alone.
What do we do THIS year to take a shot at that future? I just don’t think we can trade our expiring contracts for someone else’s expiring contracts. What would be the point for either team?
MM might have some value to a contender, enough maybe for them to trade for the now and give up a promising (probably no more than ’promising’) 2nd or 3rd year guy.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about the timing
One reason I wish we had started rebuilding about the time we traded Peja(Peja for picks and expirings > Artest trade) instead of last season. I think Salmons will likely be too old(and will be moved) and Kevin will be the sage veteran(along with our Vet via trade and our FA James Posey type guy) on our championship team.
Regarding the scorers, my point was that we have some offensive players already(Spencer, Brown, Greene) and time to get one if the guys we’ve got don’t pan out. But you are right the ‘10 pick probably would be too young to help out that season. The ’09 pick? Depends on where it is. Chris Paul was a pretty good scorer in his 2nd season. If we get a top 3 pick it’s not out of the question to expect him to help us sooner rather than later.
Mikki? Maybe you’re right, and I hope you are. I just know I wouldn’t trade Douby for Mikki, and I don’t think Douby has a future with the team.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 11, 2008 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scratch my last/next post
and lets say that we agree that we started at least a year too late and may have to scramble now.
Lets hope a contender needs that extra big with enthusiasm off the bench come trading time.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fingers crossed
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 11, 2008 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
KM could be our Paul Pierce type of guy
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by Bluejohn on Nov 11, 2008 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its either that
Or you do indeed roll the dice on a Wallace or someone like him this year or next.
MM you have to move this year though, I don’t think he has much value in the summer. He probably can get you something, something this year. He adds very little to this team’s future. (but I LIKE theguy)
BMiller on the other hand I would be fine having past next year at a good price. He could still be very useful off the bench in a few years. He could run your 2nd team.
NO one is going to take K9 this year (but we can wish for a fool), maybe next year – maybe maybe maybe.
Look, I’m not saying lose our flexabilty but if, IF we get that chance to add a reasonably young veteran piece (that fits!)this year or next, I think we should not close our minds to the prospect. Its unlikely we get a superstar to sign here as a FA (unless they see the possibility of a ring).
Small markets like ours probably have to take a gamble or two.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
IF we get that chance to add a reasonably young veteran piece (that fits!)this year or next, I think we should not close our minds to the prospect.
I just don’t think GW is that guy.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 11, 2008 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, thats fine, no GW for you
we’re here to trade ideas, that is one as he is being shopped (I guess). I’m not sure he’s the answer either or that we have anything Charlotte would want.
Although Mikki does play hard (just not that well), shows support for the whole team – a good example to younger players.
I just think because we started a year too late we’ll have to take a chance somewhere pretty soon.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
fun conversation too. In GP we trust.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 11, 2008 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm eyeing
a few of those Portland players everyone is wild about. That can’t resign them all and they may still have a real problem at PF or Center, depending on whether Oden ever shows he can stay healthy.
My recollection of young big guys is that if they show a lot of propensity for injuries early they often never will be completely right.
They have a lot of nice ‘swing’ players (and no, I’m not talking about thier social habits, Hawes would never approve)
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good call
They have many good young PGs too.
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by Kfan in Korea on Nov 11, 2008 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Update says
JT will start and Douby will play tonight.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/016924.html
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the scoring "issue" is a red herring
This team plays better when Brad Miller AND Kevin Martin are creating offense. Yet, Martin, even by our standards of him, which are higher anywhere that is not Zanesville, OH or himself/David Thorpe, has done well in the passing area of the game when the team has gotten Brad Miller back. That’s something I think is the worst thing about this aggravation of the ankle injury. Kevin was really finding a rhythm in creating shots for everybody out there.
On the flip side, if this gets Beno off the mat, and more aggressive consistently, this Martin ankle injury is a good thing overall. If Beno continues to be sluggish consistently, this could be a much longer season than anyone of us believed.
Last but not least, this team has a strong offense. The only guy who is a pure scorer on this squad is Kevin Martin. I think that points to the fact this team can score points without Speed around. I say let’s not believe that this team can’t score without Kevin until that consistently happens.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 11, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right
but I’m not sure that the last thing Beno needs right now is more pressure to perform.
We just suddenly seem very thin at the wings. I know Cisco and Douby are out, but if we don’t think Q stays…then what?
Other teams guards were already running around us, tagging us with 3s at the end of games, looking thier most successful when they went small.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You yourself said
Donte’ (and other wings) should be able to show they can play at this level in thier first year, I’m not sure i agree (by 2nd year) but I agree that they need to show signs early. Signs i haven’t seen yet – though we need to give him at least a month or two.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
3 garbage time mins
Is showing how much you can do? I don’t think so LTtG.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2008 4:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
who else thinks Kev looks like our new pres?
at least, more like him than anybody else in the NBA
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by Holmdel on Nov 11, 2008 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My reasons
The #1 reason that a Wallace for Salmons/MM deal makes sense to me is that it opens up minutes for JT and Sheldon at the 4 as well as more flexibility at the 3 for Cisco and Donte. Wouldn’t you like to see the following rotation?
Beno/KM/GWall/JT/Bmill with BB/Cisco/Donte/Gwall/Hawes or BB/BJ/Cisco/Gwall/SW or Cisco/KM/Gwall/JT/Hawes. The possibilities for exciting flexible rotoations are endless. Everyone in the lineup would be able to shift to 2 or 3 positions while still playing up-tempo.
- would have another explosive scorer to complement Kevin and Cisco that could create runs. GWall would work best in a running up-tempo team were he doesn’t have to force shots. He would work very similar to Salmons in the current system but with more exciting dunks. Can take guys 1-on-1 off the dribble or drive the lane.
- Lock down defender. While his team D needs improvement his 1-on-1 D is some of the best in the league. Between Gerald and Cisco we would have two players that can play up on the other teams top scorer like Artest. Can play D in the post against most 3s and 4s with a great shot blocking ability that the Kings lack and hands that often get in passing lanes.
- Perfect for Gerald. What would help his game more than working with Bigs that pass. If you enjoy Kmart rolling off screens from Bmill or lane passes from Hawes just wait until Gwall takes the give and go and jams it down. Wallace is capable of dishing as well, last year he averaged 3.5 assists but had games where he had Lebron like numbers around 10 dimes. In the Kings system I would see him likely averaging around 5.
Anyways, there is my rant. I know I am biased because I’m such a fan of Gerald but I think he would be the perfect complement to the current Kings team. I don’ want anyone who wants to wrestle control of the team from Kmart but still want someone that can go off with superstar numbers. And injury is a risk for every NBA player and Gerald would be healthier in a system that didn’t play him out of position every night.
by Doubl3Dos3 on Nov 11, 2008 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One reason why that trade scenerio would not work
Charlotte would never make that trade.
Charlotte is going to want Brad, Jason, or Spencer in any trade for Gerald.
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by hokiehess on Nov 11, 2008 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we are planning on doing a trade this year
Moving MM, Douby, SWilliams (forget k9 – OK, dream if you want) or maybe Salmons
We’d have to accept that we’ll be taking a longer term salary back.
Thats why teams might do it.
Who would we want? What position?
(if salmons was moved we’d definately need a SF)
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by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 1:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Harrington?
MM & BJacks For Al & M.Williams.Works in trade machine,keeps both teams under LUX TAX and addresses both teams needs except Williams but they`re going to want to get rid of Nelson`s problems!
by hudson101 on Nov 11, 2008 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no
no no no
Your 2002 Western Conference Champions the Sacramentoooooooo KINGS!!!
by Raiders19494 on Nov 11, 2008 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
further
no.
Your 2002 Western Conference Champions the Sacramentoooooooo KINGS!!!
by Raiders19494 on Nov 11, 2008 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OH?
Two old players not in our future for two younger player whom could help us,but NO! I understand,let`s do nothing!Besides doubt GS would do it,although one guy on Golden State Of Mind suggested MM & Garcia for Al!
by hudson101 on Nov 11, 2008 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
harrington
is useless for us. why take on his 20 million remaining on his deal if we have better options on our own team. id rather give that playing time to JT and Hawes. bjax comes off the books after this year and mikki moore is prolly gnna be bought out or traded.
i suggested a few days ago we go after hinrich. after thinking about it whats the point? we are clearly rebuilding and might aswell let our young players get expierience in. al harrington is a tweener. he has the skill set of a SF but is too big. hes not what we need.
i say lets just wait it out. by the trade deadline the kings will be sellers once again. not buyers. the maloofs and pietrie have finally embraced the idea of rebuilding, somthing us kings fans have been asking for since our team just fell apart. now that we are here we cant wait to trade for players that help get us a few extra wins but hurt us in the long run. thats exactly the mistake we made with ron artest.
just be patient kings fans. our young nucleus is looking very good and it looks like we might be ready to contend alot sooner than we had hoped.
so as for al harrington… no no and NO!!!
Your 2002 Western Conference Champions the Sacramentoooooooo KINGS!!!
by Raiders19494 on Nov 11, 2008 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
...and Hell no!
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by section214 on Nov 11, 2008 7:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
one more time
no.
Your 2002 Western Conference Champions the Sacramentoooooooo KINGS!!!
by Raiders19494 on Nov 11, 2008 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOUD & CLEAR!
Moore is undoubtably better than Harrington.We could never use Al in the same role MM is playing w/JT coming off the bench getting the bulk of the min.Then next yr he either opts. out or we have a nice expiring contract to deal along w/ Miller & K9.I`m an IDIOT for even bringing it up your right ,I`m wrong!
by hudson101 on Nov 11, 2008 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That`s Laughable
when people are suggesting give up brad or Salmons/MM for OLD HEDO or 50 mil Wallace! I`m suggesting giving up two old players for contracts that can be opt. out of or easily traded in the off season.
by hudson101 on Nov 11, 2008 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, since you asked
Marcus Williams has done nothing in his NBA career but drop himself about 15-20 draft slots and then play his way out of the rotation in both New Jersey and Golden State (and take a good hard look who has beaten him out at Golden State). Harrington is an under performer with an attitude. Why take the chance on him not opting out next year when B-Jax is expiring and Moore can be bought out for a couple of million? Where is the upside of this deal?
And I did weigh in and say that I didn’t like the Hedo or Wallace deals, either.
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by section214 on Nov 11, 2008 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But the thing is Section
You’re a smart guy. You know things like: Quick Fixes without franchise talent mean squat. I know this too, but still, letting fans dream is part of the appeal.
I will admit I don’t get it. It doesn’t work for me.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 12, 2008 4:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Got it wrong!
214 you`ve schooled me from time to time and I respect everything you`ve told me,I was really refuring to ole TAILGATE! I should of guessed Destiny`s Child w/ all the NO NO NO`s!
The thing is this is a forum and I`m just trying to put out a realistic trade that could happen.
As you stated Marcus hasn`t done anything I agree,I stated he`d be a throw in 3rd PG to complete the deal.As to Al,this would diff. be a experiment but one that could pay off or not & easily fixed.I think people underestimate Al`s talent & a HUGE upgrade over MM.I think he fit in perfect w/ Reggie`s O.He runs the floor & can hit the 3 like the rest of our bigs.
Do I think its a perfect deal NO,I do think it would improve us at very little cost or easily fixed if it doesn`t work out.
by hudson101 on Nov 12, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why
bringing al and his huge contract would just stunt jason thompsons growth.
we have enough bigs already.
hawes, miller, mikki, and JT. why bring al harrington and screw up a good thing? even if we trade mikki, al harrington would not be ok with playing 22-25 mins a nite. why do u think hes all pissed off in GS?
id rather let go of mikki moore next year and let hawes/miller or hawes/jt play full time. al harrington just screws it up if anything.
just my opinion u dont have to take it but i think harrington would be nothing but bad news for the kings.
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by Raiders19494 on Nov 12, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh
and i forgot to mention we also have shelden and the piece of garbage known as K9
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by Raiders19494 on Nov 12, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
forget hedo or wallace. lets wait until eitehr this trade deadline or next years to make our move. then we will finally have our roster set.
the three year plan baby!!
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by Raiders19494 on Nov 12, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, I mean NO
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on Nov 11, 2008 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love when GM's do this.
HAHA I totally made one decent free agent signing; let that overshadow the huge piles of money I threw to people who did not deserve it thus crippling our cap flexibility for the next decade, but seriously guys this one free agent signing totally the balls.
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by moproblemz on Nov 11, 2008 4:14 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
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