The Youth Movement is looking good so far...
by FaStRmAn on Nov 12, 2008 12:48 PM PST
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So it looks like Jason Thompson is a steal at #12. He is playing like he has been in the league 2 or 3 years. Hawes is already better than Miller and Moore. Even the TV commentators commented that when Hawes comes out of the game and is replaced by Moore or Miller, there is a significant dropoff in talent and athleticism. Jason Thompson is improving quickly and will also be in the starting lineup soon. Hawes should have already replaced Miller. Miller is the biggest defensive liability in the NBA. He is invisible on defense. Moore has a lot of hussle and drive, but not a lot of talent or abilities. I will be glad to see Moore and Miller elsewhere. Moore is a decent bench player, but Miller is a washed up pot head. Bobby Brown looks like a very capable reserve PG. Beno has been playing poorly, but he seems poised to pull out of his slump. Salmons is a very questionable SG because he isnt a very good shooter for a shooting guard. He is really a bench player, but we have to start him for now because of all the injuries. I see Garcia replacing Salmons in the starting lineup, and eventually Greene being the starter as his defense improves, with Garcia and Salmons backing up the 2 and 3. I see Jason Thompson replacing Moore very VERY soon. Hawes has all but replaced Miller already, and I see the official Hawes in the starting lineup before the all star break. So a starting lineup of Beno, Martin, Garcia, Thompson, and Hawes is right around the corner. That group is athletic, fast, can shoot, can rebound, and can compete. The addition of a big FA in 09-10 will only further improve this group. I am very impressed with the job Petrie has done. He has, in 2 short years, turned this club from an aging and lumbering group of overpaid, no defense playing veterans, to a group of athletic, high energy players.
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Lots of Brad Miller hate recently
I guess it’s coincidental that the team was 1-4 (and awful) without him, but 2-1 since he returned (and the offense is running much smoother).
Hawes is no defensive wizard either, and can’t run the offense the way Brad does. Maybe you are enamored with blocked shots, but that’s not always an indicator of true defensive ability.
P.S. Spencer played great for the most part in those road games. But look at the points against for those first four – 98, 103, 121, 125. Not exactly the return of the Detroit Pistons Bad Boys.
This team still needs Brad Miller, if anything to teach Spencer a few things about passing and running the offense.
Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.
Or another part of this
To help Spencer ease into playing more mins. His knee’s aren’t exactly made of titanium and unbreakable.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Yes scary
But always worth keeping in mind. But you know this as well as I do Eduardo.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
yes
ive been preachin since i saw that gs/sac game. brad miller gives kmart about 5 easy buckets each game. best passing big man i have seen play ina while. gotta keep him around!
Your 2002 Western Conference Champions the Sacramentoooooooo KINGS!!!
by Raiders19494 on Nov 12, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
right
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2008 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
all of the above
and more I and others have said.
Keep him unless its an offer we can’t refuse at next yrs deadline and try to re-sign him for a couple of years cheap to run our 2nd team.
Those that don’t understand need to watch more closely (no offense – really!)
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2008 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
It's nice to see you
posting more again lately. Your wisdom is always appreciated.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 13, 2008 6:37 AM PST up reply actions
Brad will be traded
before the deadline, or at least he will be if the Kings want to continue unloading salary and moving forward with the rebuilding process.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
wrong
unless there’s something really good coming back. MM though already has one foot out.
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2008 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Miller
Miller at this point is a much better passer than Hawes, and he’s a proven veteran leader. To underestimate the importance of veteran leadership on such a young team is foolish, as is dismissing Miller as a “washed up pothead.”
He’s not a defensive mastermind, but neither is Hawes (yet), as Otis pointed out. Miller knows how to use his body to go toe to toe with the dominant bigs in the league. Those first 5 games showed us that Hawes is not yet ready for this. The blocks are nice and look good on a stat line, but stats are not the full story.
All that being said, the youth movement is looking good. Both Hawes and Thompson have shown a ton of potential the last couple of weeks.
Never forget: I am a complete idiot
Agreed
The young guys are damn promising. Not sure just throwing them in the deep end of the pool is the best thing though. And someone noted Spencer’s knees – it remains to be seen how they will handle 30+ minutes over the long haul of an NBA season.
Ultimately, I like the idea of letting Brad’s contract expire and seeing if he will resign for a reasonable amount for a season or two.
Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.
I almost disagree with your whole post
Yes JT is coming along quickly and I also think Mikki is going to be coming off the bench fairly soon, other then that I don’t think you really understand what Brad ot John Salmonsb rings to this team. I might have agreed with you about Brad during the Musselman year but since then he has come into camp in great shape and ready to play.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
right - both otis and Bluejohn
well said. A young team NEEDS a few veterans to show them the way. Miller’s game IQ is huge, you just have to watch carefully and see all the little things he does.
Kids don’t win championships.
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2008 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
To quote Ed Barrow, the architect of the many championship Yankee teams, in the 20's/30's/40's
“This 1939 team is much better than the much talked about 1927 outfit. They have pitching, defense, great hitting, brilliant youth, everything.” It’s from Rob Neyer’s and Eddie Epstein’s book called the Greatest Teams of all time.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
More info on
The Curse of Ed Barrow if you want it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
"Kids don’t win championships". Yes, that's true but...
it doesn’t really matter since obviously the Kings are not anywhere near competing for the NBA championship.
By the time they are back into serious NBA title contention Brad Miller will be nearing the end of his career. The best he can do now is help keep the Kings mediocre.
Brad should have considerable trade value near this year’s deadline, as actual contenders make moves to boost their playoff chances, (and don’t mind taking on a fat salary to do so0. Trading him at that point would be the smartest thing Petrie could do, and would be best for the long term prospects of the franchise.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
I've had this conversation before but -
What do you want back for Brad? What position? Salaries have to match man. What overpaid stiff would a playoff team give up?
And what did you have in mind, a 6, 7, ten yr plan? KM is 25-26, Salmons is 27-28, Beno 26, etc
You want to have a playoff team together soooon to take advantage of KMs prime. I said a playoff team. That means we probably make a move this year or next for a Veteran (hopefully a young one) to get us over the top, then build from there. You can’t build a championship just through the draft, by the time you finish ya gotta start over.
Size, we have size now (wow) – and size that can play athletically.We have two #1s in the bank for next yr. What, you want a lottery pick the yr after that? And just when will that pick be ready to contribute to a championship run?
If Hawes and JT are as good as they look, with vets like KM, Salmons, Brad & Cisco,-
We could be close right there, close. Gotta see them all play together (please). You need another piece and a tweak or two.
Question: How good were the lakers at this time last year? I’ll tell you, they were struggling to stay above .500. One trade and the maturation of thier young guys and looky now. Seriously, we’ve got to start thinking beyond the draft. The real dead weight is K9 and we’ll just have to wait that out.
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on Nov 12, 2008 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
The Lakers
were struggling early last season, it’s true.
But they also had probably the most talented basketball player in the world on their team (and believe me, I throw up a little in my mouth having to admit that about Kobe, who I loath.) The Lakers were in a completely different situation, and truly were just a piece or two away from contending for the NBA title. (Albeit a very large pice in Pau Gasol). The Kings, alas, are not. Not even close. If we added Pau Gasol right now we’d still only be a mid level playoff team. The championship caliber talent just isn’t there.
I like Jason Thompson a lot, He may eventually become an NBA All Star, but he needs at least a season or two before he starts to reach that kind of potential. Salmons is a borderline NBA starter. He has enough talent to play very well in some situations but his limitations are considerable. Udrih is pretty much in the same boat. He’s a pretty good player but you’ll never confuse him with Mike Bibby in his prime, much less Chris Paul or Deron Williams. Garcia is a personal favorite of mine. I really like his game and his toughness, but he’s best when coming off the bench. Hawes, nice offensive skills but he’s a poor defender, and a dicey rebounder and I don’t see how that’s going to change much given his athletic limitations. And so on.
In short, I think this roster will have to continue to develop as well as be upgraded considerably before we’re even talking about a playoff contender, much less a team competing for the trophy. We don’t just need a piece or even two. We need a Big Piece, a game changer.
If the Kings make smart moves and continue to draft well, two years from now could be a realistic target, although usually teams need a season or two playing together before things really jell. Our one truly great player, Kevin Martin, will still be in his prime by then.
With that in mind, expiring contracts, draft picks, younger talent, a guy who can play defense, would all be worth considering in a deal for Brad. Minus his salary the Kings would have much more flexibility in trying to sign a star free agent next year. I agree that K9 is dead weight (he looks pretty much un-tradable at this point) but Miller’s trade value will never be higher than this coming deadline, and I expect he’ll probably be moved too.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Huh?
Miller is a … pot head.
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Probably believes it
Sad as it is, people do think pot is awful, but it’s okay to get lit off a pint of Johnny Walker Blue.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
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