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It goes without saying, but: you need shots to fall to beat a better team.

As much as we hyped up the absences of Nash, Barbosa and Barnes, we were arguably at the same disadvantage or worse missing our No. 1 player and our sixth man. And even though Amare Stoudemire didn't play well until the final 20 seconds of overtime, so much attention was focused on him while he was on the court that Grant Hill and Shaq ruled the game. Taking the Suns to overtime ... it's a strong performance even accounting for the suspensions.

Still, all that said: the Kings gave the game away. The offense was awful. The game ended up at 100 possessions apiece, and the Kings only put up 95 points. Phoenix has some good defensive players (Shaq makes you miss around the rim, Raja Bell and Hill are solid, Boris Diaw's really long), but there was no reason for Sacramento to be held to 42.5% shooting or to give up 19 turnovers. Many of the turnovers were absolutely atrocious, including half of Brad Miller's six and at least two of Bobby Brown's three. Miller has looked active and feisty this season ... but his ball-handling is just as bad as it was last year, when it was awful. I know those marvelous assists come with the burden of an occasional turnover, but too many of those were inexcusable.

I'm surprised neither of the critical plays (Quincy Douby's regulation-ending miss, Salmons' overtime-ending drive) looked for Spencer Hawes. He wasn't on fire by any means, but he's a crafty scorer, the Suns haven't seen much of him, and he'd shot as well this season and in this game as anyone. It almost worked out in overtime, with Amare blocking the snot out of Spencer's put-back attempt from five feet ... but I'd think Hawes would have had a better look at the basket than Salmons did coming down the baseline. (That said, Salmons had a really good look if he'd shot before crossing under the basket. A common Salmons move is to sort-of "box out" his way into the lane off the baseline, though Bell's tight defense might have prevented that from creating a clean look.)

I wondered where Jason Thompson for the entire fourth quarter and overtime. He had a rough rebounding and defensive night, but he has proved over the course of this month he can rebound well and he can defend power forwards proficiently. Hill was abusing him at the three, and Hawes/Miller were vital. But with the team's defensive rebounding problems and no two-guard but Salmons doing much, I think you could have left him out there. Too many stops were wasted by poor defensive rebounding by the forwards and center.

I also secretly wonder if Donté Greene might have deserved a look in overtime, once Douby was yanked. You needed someone to hit a shot, right? That's something Greene can do right now. I understand why you wouldn't put him in -- defense, turnovers, might not set a good screen or make the correct read off an inbounds play -- but I was really hoping he'd sneak in there for some crunch time work.

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No JT

I agree, it would have been nice to see him get a few minutes down the stretch.

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by otis29 on Nov 15, 2008 7:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Surely our offense/defense had many flows yesterday and all players showed weaknesses but I can’t get off my mind that this game was lost by Brad Miller. Yes he had 20 points, 11 rebs and 7 assists… His 6 turnovers though were more than a lot. They were all critical just like his 10 missed shots (6/16). Most of them taken and missed in crucial moments when the game was on the line.

I don’t mind Quincy’s open look and missed buzzer beater nor Salmons’ drive under the basket. When you have Amare 3 feet in front of you it’s normal to try something to outsmart him instead of confronting him face to face.

Anyway.. as long as we have only 2 centers, there isn’t much we can do about it. If we could only have the luxury to bring Miller off the bench in times where physical play and defense were not the priority.

by ZenBaller on Nov 15, 2008 9:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Coaching was OK

I don’t have a problem with the way the game was coached, just with the way it was played. Thompson looked every bit like a rookie tonight, rushing a few gimme-layups in the beginning of the game, and really being torched by Grant Hill on defense. The offense was a mess, with the fourth quarter the only time in the game where the Kings put forward any sort of run at all. Theus went with the guys who played best, including Douby, who was effective in his first few minutes but tailed off from there. The game was there for the taking and the Kings just couldn’t do it. It’s what happens with young teams.

The next two games are absolute must-wins. Unlike the Suns, the Spurs don’t have much behind injured Parker and Ginobili, and Memphis is very beatable. After that, the Kings have @New Orleans, Portland, @Lakers and @Portland, which could very easily turn into a four game losing streak.

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by Carl on Nov 15, 2008 10:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

The problem was with the player’s executing. Of course, that goes on Reggie too, but whatever. At this point, last night proved how many skeleton’s this team has in it’s closet. And it’s starting at the top all the way to the court.

I’m not saying Reggie can, should, or will do this (obviously not the latter 2), but mostly with comments in how he’s doing things, I would be tempted to say “fuck you” and walk out the door and never considering coaching in the NBA any longer.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 15, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rough game...

…to watch.

And there will be more like this one. A game like this where everyone has butterfingers, I’m not sure even Martin playing would have made a difference. The man can’t hit those lovely floaters when everyone is kicking the ball out of bounds every 30 seconds.

And if Nash and/or Barbosa had played? Guh, I don’t even want to think about it.

Still, some fine points, Z. Theus probably left Douby in a little too long, but I doubt anyone would have pulled him, he really seems to have been the player that made the difference in the Kings getting back into this one. Leaving Salmons at the 2 and running JT or Donte’ in and out might have worked better, but we’ll never know, and besides, I’m late to my 20/20 Hindsight For Dummies book reading at Barnes & Noble.

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by andy sims on Nov 15, 2008 10:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Close one
I also secretly wonder if Donté Greene might have deserved a look in overtime, once Douby was yanked.

Huh? Donte was already given an opportunity and was yanked due to non production.

by KingsFan on Nov 15, 2008 10:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Two minutes

He got two minutes of play, and drew an offensive foul on Hill and fouled someone on the other end. He had, like, three possession total.

by Ziller on Nov 15, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Young guns with no bullets

It was Friday night live, but the young’uns can be referred to as “The not ready for prime time players”. We lost to a veteran team, we had the chance to beat. Our young guys had unspectacular, or worse, games. We are ten games in, live and hopefully learn. Next up, Spurs.

by betweentheeyes on Nov 15, 2008 10:27 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nice analysis TZ

I agree with you about getting Hawes the ball at the end – and, in fact, throughout the game. I am starting wonder why Theus runs almost no plays for Spencer. He’s probably been the most consistent offensive player this year outside of Martin. The guy finds a way to get good looks and can score with either hand.

The Kings still have no offensive identity.

As has been the case outside a couple of the early road games, there was good effort. Just a lot of poor execution.

by Kusian on Nov 15, 2008 10:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Play hard, not smart

This seems to be the mantra of a Reggie Theus team. To be fair, that judgment is made 92 games into his pro career, and last year it was a litany of injuries, while this year youth is being served. Nevertheless, Theus’ teams have been high turnover, low assist squads. Maybe that’s due to the personnel not matching whatever his system is. Regardless of the reason(s), this is not the type of execution that earns you a contract extension.

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by section214 on Nov 15, 2008 10:37 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Bad mantra

You can easily get a lot out of these youngsters just by letting them play, so playing HARD is not really going to be a problem, ever… at least not until their morale drops due to losing close games all the time.

If he is to stay as our coach he needs to train these guys, plain and simple. His system, whatever it is, does involve passing. They just aren’t doing it enough. Every game I sit in awe as this team plays near perfect basketball where everyone is involved, players pass, the open man is found, screen are set, players cut, and guys drive and dish. It’s fantastic basketball. But it only lasts for a few minutes. Then the stupidity sets in. Players get a little selfish or overconfident. They don’t do what they are supposed to do. Now, I’m not there on the sidelines, so I don’t know what the cause is, but I don’t think it’s all the players’ fault. It seems that Theus isn’t reinforcing the idea of ball movement and how to play. Maybe he just doesn’t know what his system is, kind of like Ziller said. Either way, it’s frustrating.

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by vfettke on Nov 15, 2008 10:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Systems Plural

The Kings are 11th in pts scored and 28th in points allowed. They have the 3rd worst percentage of 3pt shots allowed at 41%.

If I got anything out of Joe Maloof’s comments, it’s that he isn’t happy with the defense and especially with the 3pt defense. And, don’t bury Greene at the end of the bench. If I had to point to one mistake Theus has made, it would be not playing Greene enough. Greene’s weakness is that he had only played ZONE in college. Well, the Kings have been playing a lot of zone, especially with JT at the 3. So, why can’t Greene play some 3 when they play zone?

As to the 3pt defense, the Kings decision to have the wings calapse into the paint and leave the 3pt shooters open has hurt them. Yes, they are getting killed by dribble penetration, but gambling on the 3pt shooters missing isn’t the answer. The problem is the combo of Moore & Miller in the paint. Neither is a shot blocker and both are too slow when it comes to help defense. If Chuck Person is the archetect of this defensive scheme, he needs to rethink it. Theus’s and the rest of the coaching staff’s jobs depend upon them fixing it.

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by HighTops on Nov 15, 2008 2:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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