Machiavelian Schemes
Friday night you and your boys went out to eat Then they hung out,but you came home around three Now if six of yall went out Then four of you were really cheap Cause only two of you had dinner I found your credit card receipt
Its not right ,but its okay Im gonna make it anyway Pack your bags up and leave And dont you dare come Running back to me
After Friday's "Media Tour De-Force" as Scott Howard-Cooper called it, there is quite a bit of interesting stuff flying around Kings land these days. Most of it revolves around what type of thing's Reggie Theus has planned for this team, I suspect, long term, and unfortunately, my only question is why after 10 games is it such a big deal? Especially when in those first 10 games you've missed key players such as Brad Miller, Kevin Martin, and Francisco Garcia for 3 games or more. Some stuff doesn't quite meet the eye, and it's not because of the team's poor defending 3 point percentage, or the team's porous road trip. Other things pop up, like this particular quote:There's little chance Maloof came to these conclusions -- Theus needs to get a system, and, while we're at it, "he better try to get one quickly" -- without hearing it from someone with a great deal of credibility in basketball ops. Even if Joe and Gavin are the ones ultimately responsible for what goes on there.So either, it's Petrie, which I'm wondering if he would do Reggie in the back like this, or it's someone else. Who?
Rick Adelman has got screwed before he went off with the Kings in 2006. It happened in Portland in 1994, and it happened at the same time Geoff Petrie left Portland. Geoff and Rick had tied their fates together, and they did well. In fact so well, it makes one wonder, why would you break it up? Well, Paul Allen had heard many of the criticism's of Rick from his now long gone GM, "Trader Bob" Whitsitt. You remember him right? The guy who said, "I'm not a chemistry major. That's the coaches job." Fast forward to 2008, and Reggie Theus is in hot water again. Not for vigorously explaining "what get the ball to" means, in his words, but because the team doesn't have a good 3 point defending stat. Neither does Portland! Does that mean they are terrible at defending the 3? Well, one could say that, or one could say they haven't been the best at it so far. That's okay. 82 games is a long season. There is time to improve at it.
I'll be honest when I say at first I was wondering if this was a backwards play at getting Rick Adelman at the end of the season if things don't work out for Rick in Houston. But now, I'm thinking something far worse is at stake. John Whisenant is looming as the next GM of the Kings. When that happens, I'm walking out the door, and I'm not coming back. Because if this team fires Geoff Petrie, for John Whisenant of all people, it's time to start packing up your stakes. I'm not interested in hearing about Whiz's success at New Mexico or with the Monarch's. (He did play College ball at New Mexico though.) He doesn't have any prior NBA affiliation, and truth be told, shouldn't start today. Only a stupid moron, like Joe Maloof, would believe John Whisenant is capable of leading the Kings to a championship. Maybe the Maloof family believes Petrie has become snakebitten in the NBA game, and has problems with various levels of infa-structure like the ref's and such. Or who knows? Maybe they don't like Petrie's offensive first philosophy (have no problems with it myself), or maybe they just can't take not being in the spotlight (that seems more reasonable in Joe's case).
If the Maloof's goal is to bring Whiz in as the next GM of the Kings because they've become (complacent, detached, dis-illusioned--pick an adjective) with Petrie, then well that's their right. However, there is no proof that Whisenant will be successful as the Kings GM because he's been successful with the Monarchs. Whisenant took over a team that was built by Jerry Reynolds. He's done little to build upon that since. (In the issue of fairness he didn't have to build upon a championship team. You leave good alone.) He didn't take over a team that was revamped by him on the court. Sonny Allen did that. Whisenant took a successful product, and kept it going strong, and maybe improved it a "little" at some point. But that's what he did, and that isn't what the Kings need. Jerry Reynolds would prove, by the time Whiz's tenure as GM would show, I think, to be more successful, and most people around here probably aren't fond of Jerry's GM career. (Can't say I blame them, but there are lesson's to be learned, and Jerry did a good job overall given what he had to work with.) If Whiz is the next GM, lord help us. I left once, and really didn't miss the team. I didn't really care about the team for much of the hiatus I took, that started when Adelman left the franchise for good. But I can only take so much, and so often, before I say enough. There are more important things in life, especially when I have no financial stake in this, than a basketball team with stupid and dysfunctional ownership that overthrows a successful management executive who hasn't had the luxury and resources several big name colleagues have had (Jerry West and Pat Riley to name a few) since coming to Sacramento. If there is anything that generally binds Kings fans together, it's Geoff Petrie. If you take him out of the equation, you're taking me out as a fan. Because unlike the Maloof's, Geoff was with the Kings when they weren't a nationally sought out brand. And his presence made the team better even if the team's ownership (Jim Thomas) was not of the same caliber.
Right now, and the more I think about it, and the more I write about this, I believe that Reggie Theus is a key ingredient to Geoff Petrie's future. I believe Reggie can make this team work (the 2008-09 incarnation--but it's fixin to be primed for a playoff run next season), but not at a playoff level. That's a hoax, a bullshit statement that only a stupid asshole would promote. Which is probably the essence of Joe Maloof in public. If Reggie can figure out a way to slow the 3's, and all that, this team will improve. But it's not likely to jump much higher than 18-20th barring an absolute change on how things are done. (Which would be an incredible leap). But I get the feeling that's not what Joe wants. He wants a top 5 defense that signify's less than one would believe, but looks good. Reggie has to go so far above & beyond I'm not sure he can meet Joe's expectations. Joe said this team has a "real" shot at making the playoffs, and I'm wondering what team he is watching. Because I don't see a team with that type of capability. Unless he knows something I don't, which is always possible. At some point, this has to stop. The flirtation with Whiz, the undermining of Petrie's basketball decisions, and the stupid hatchet job's like Friday's media tour Joe Maloof made. If you want to run a successful basketball franchise, guess how you do that? Being successful. Running your mouth is not the hallmark of successful franchises. Dysfunction, and bad comparison's to Shakespeare play's are not wise routes to go to winning a NBA title.
I personally hope this is my paranoia showing. I don't particularly care for conspiracy theories. I don't buy that JFK was shot by the CIA, but I believe it had to do with their loose affiliation with the Cuban underground. That sorta thing. (I also don't think JFK's death pushed LBJ to pass the civil rights bill either.) LBJ was no saint. He was a prick, and a hellaciously smart fellow. He said the Civil Rights bill was something that had to be done, and that the Democrats would lose the South 20 years after the signing. Right on both counts. (As sad as that is.) Getting back on track, in the NBA, historically, championships are built around players who change the flow and tempo of the game with their singular talents. Regardless of the type of system your team runs offensively, invariable that offense is broken down by championship levels defensively, and it takes extraordinary talent to overcome that. As the saying goes, "Great Offense beats Great Defense." IN my lifetime there have been very few game changing players who take their teams to another level. Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and Tim Duncan to name 3. Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Shaquille O'Neal, Steve Nash all have come close, and the trio of Wallace, Wallace and Billups did some "game" changing on their own. By & Large though, most teams with a "core" of players have not been successful as those teams with a "dominant" player.
The Kings in the earlier part of this decade were the exception. While many can believe that Webber was the key ingredient, I disagree. Always have and will. Divac was the "keyest" ingredient, but Webber and Stojakovic were needed. Bibby's talents were perfectly meshed, and Christie was the greatest role player the Kings ever could have had. He augmented the Kings greatest needs with such precision I'm not sure fans really realize how perfect he was for the team. The Kings won 44 games the season prior to Doug arriving. In the 3 season's after, they won 55, 61 and 59 games. Part of that was due to maturation on Stojakovic and Webber's part, but part of that was due to the versatility that Doug offered. I'm fairly sure that the Maloof's and Whiz can't appreciate that. (Or I'm not sure the Maloof's can. I'm not sure Whiz knows how to integrate parts together.) I'm quite sure they don't realize that the type of luck it took for the Kings to even get to that level in the first place. For a small market team to be successful, it's very difficult. The odds are stacked against it financially, and that makes doing everything else more difficult along the line. Petrie gave the Kings a huge boost in bridging this gap. He brought an advantage they would have never had without his presence, and without it today. This team hasn't had a top 5 pick since 1991, yet for the most part, has steadily/gainfully improved since. A lot of that is because the people running basketball operations since that time, Jerry Reynolds and Geoff Petrie, are quality basketball people who don't deceive themselves about what they see. If you don't think that's true, check out where the Kings were with Dick Motta sometime.
I want the Kings to win a championship someday. Believe me I would feel far better about Joe's tour de force if he hadn't done so without such a hidden agenda. Joe is a "gee whatchamacallit aww shucks" type of guy. If you asked him where he could access that type of information to find out where the Kings rank as far as defending the 3, I'm willing to bet he couldn't figure out how to do it off the top of his head (told ya I was a prick). It would take him awhile. It takes me awhile to figure out some stats, and I've been doing it for some years. Part of comfort is having access, and it's like Joe read from a script on the Rise Guys. That doesn't convince me Joe has the best interests in a franchise, that has been built on the backs of the knowledge like Petrie, Reynolds, Wayne Cooper and Scotty Stirling. Other than Reynolds, the other 3 have ties to each other that come from their Portland days. If you eliminate Petrie out of the equation, what is the motivation for any of them to stick around? If you destroy the inner workings of a basketball organization by taking out the head honcho, you have to rebuild a new team with a new boss. That will take Whisenant far longer than it will take Petrie to accomplish, and he won't have the NBA pedigree that Petrie does when it comes to hiring coaches. He'll have to pick out some desperate college coach off the scrap pile, or some "retread" to take the team over. I believe that if this team is stupid enough to fire Petrie with what he's accomplished, then it's stupid, not to mention arrogant enough, enough to come up with a reason as why Reggie isn't being successful. And those reasons aren't realistic criticism's such as defending the 3 after 10 games, or expecting the playoffs with a young/rebuilding team in the beginning stages.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Whoa Superman
That’s one giant leap your taking there.
Maloof critisizes Reggie & Person so he can replace GP with Whisenant? I think you might be overthinking this a little bit.
First let’s look at the we’re a playoff team statement. No owner is going on the radio an announce at game 9 that his team has no chance of making the playoffs. If he does, it’s the same as saying “Don’t buy tickets to the game because we’re no good and won’t win”. So, instead he insists that they’re winners, so come out to the games and watch us win our way into the playoffs. Even if he doesn’t believe it himself, he’s going to be positive.
As to the 3pt shooting, he didn’t have to look it up anywhere. All he had to do is watch the games. Detroit pulled ahead on 3pt shooting. We could be 6 & 4 if we had defended the 3 pt shot better.
I think you need to take him for his words, and not read alot into them. He’s a frustrated fan who isn’t seeing an improvement in turnovers and defense ( 3pt in particular ), and he wants Theus to do something about it. I also think he’s not happy with Theus’s choice of Chuck Person to run the defense and he’s going to hold Theus responsible.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Nov 16, 2008 12:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
New thought
Here’s a conspiracy for your consideration.
Will GP try to make a move to bolster the team before the trade deadline, or will he leave Theus to fail with the cards he’s already dealt. Or, could GP make a move of say Miller or Salmon for expiring and draft choices, and leave Theus with less than he has now.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Nov 16, 2008 12:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A coupl things about your comment
No owner is going on the radio an announce at game 9 that his team has no chance of making the playoffs
Well how about not saying anything about it. If he is asked about playoffs then just say that’s the goal and this team is gonna work hard to get there. Say something about you trusting your players and coach to get there. The thing you shouldn’t do is lie when you know our chance is very small. Fans see that, don’t make us look stupid because at the end the one looking bad, not to say stupid, is you.
He’s a frustrated fan who isn’t seeing an improvement in turnovers and defense ( 3pt in particular ), and he wants Theus to do something about it
I agree that he’s frustrated and passionate but he’s not a fan, he’s the freaking owner. The success of the team, I believe, is built starting at the top and our owners need to show better judgment. When I think of outspoken owners or owners in the spotlight I usually think of bad organizations with not very succesful teams (except maybe Cuban when the Mavs made it to the finals)
by eduardo_m7 on Nov 16, 2008 1:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
This dovetails well with the Voisin note today that Whisenant would be the interim coach if Theus is fired.
But …
Are you saying Whisenant has Maloof’s ear regarding Theus? That would make a lot of sense — I don’t think it’s fully right, but it makes sense. Petrie isn’t a “fire a guy midseason” manager — he had the OK from management to kill off Musselman after 50 games and let Scott Brooks have an audition, but rode it out. And this was after Musselman had lost all credibility with everyone involved.
There’s no way the Maloofs will fire Petrie. BUT … he’s 60 now. He’s had a looooong, stressful career. I wouldn’t be surprised if he retired at some point soon. And the Maloofs will certainly have Whiz near the top of their list … which is frightening.
by Ziller on Nov 16, 2008 8:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yup Yup
As far as Petrie retiring, I’ll believe that when he really says it, or says he’ll do it. Until then, can you say I’m really wrong? This whole episode smacked very much of John Whisenant becoming an ass’t coach in order to replace Reggie @ mid-season.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2008 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind I wrote this very quickly too
I didn’t get exactly the type of things that I think back up the statements as well I would have hoped. It made a little sense as I was writing it, and on my way to work on the bus thinking about it, probably less so. Oh well.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2008 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think both Pookey and Voisin are on to something...
This whole Maloof going public thing seems ridiculous after just 9 games. I can see Whisenant being the sneaky Wizard of Oz puppet master behind the media rants, pushing the Maloofs to make a rash decision for his own betterment. This is the wrong time, the wrong time, the wrong time! Petrie has positioned this team to be players in the next two years and losing him now would cause the Kings to lose a lot of creditability around the league with both other GMs and potential free agents and their agents. There are moments in every franchises history where things can turn for the good or the bad on one decision and the Kings next decade of success is hinging on that moment which is almost here. There is only one person I want making the decisions when the all important trade/free agent period of 09-10 happens and that is Geoff Petrie.
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by jjham15 on Nov 16, 2008 9:11 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with that wholeheartedly
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2008 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a simpler idea
That Petrie and the Maloofs are on the same page. Petrie doesn’t like to be the guy in the media talking about this stuff, and the Maloofs are willing to do so.
Funny how there is so much theory over the years that the Maloofs walk all over Petrie and stick their nose in where they don’t belong, yet Petrie has never walked away. I just don’t see Petrie being either money hungry enough to do this, or tolerating being walked on in this manner.
Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.
by otis29 on Nov 16, 2008 9:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Get Clipper Steve on the line
Ask him if he would trade Sterling for the Maloof’s. Call any Warriors fan and offer the same trade for Chris Cohan. That’s two franchises that would take the Maloof’s and I haven’t left California yet.
The Knicks? The debacle that has been Hawks ownership? The unrest in Charlotte? George Shinn’s shenanigans in New Orleans? Glen Taylor’s fright show in Minnesota? The impending train wreck that is Clay Bennett and the Thunder?
The Maloof’s are by no means perfect. But they spend money and they put a great deal of focus on customer service and their product (it is in their best interests to do so, of course). If the current Kings team frustrates them, hallelujah! It should be frustrating to them, as it sure as hell is frustrating to their fan base. As a long time Kings fan and season ticket holder, I am happy that they are the owners of the Sacramento Kings.
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by section214 on Nov 16, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind them
I mind Whisenant having so much power.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Maloof's aren't bad owners
we could have James Dolan, the ultimate spoiled rich kid. Maybe Pook can do a little research and see which owners are self made, ie, Mark Cuban/Paul Allen or who have inherited their money/team, ie, the Maloofs/James Dolan. Are the self made men better owners? I wonder?
This thing is taking on a life of it’s own. The fact that Maloof would make Reggie’s issues public 9 games into the season make me wonder how really committed he is to winning this season? If the Maloofs had let Reggies contract end at the conclusion of the season with their thanks for his hard work but their going in a different direction etc. or had fired him mid season because of clearly apparent failure I would have had no problem.
Now because of Maloof’s inane statements I feel like Reggie is “my guy” and I feel like there is a different agenda in play. It is reminiscent of what’s happening with Robert Rowell and Chris Mullin of the Warriors.
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by Bluejohn on Nov 16, 2008 3:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
There are interesting parallel's to the Dubs BJ
But I don’t know that it is that bad, YET. Whiz is not the guy I particularly enjoy having part of this conversation.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 16, 2008 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
three's a crowd
maybe at work @ GS – Mullin, Rowell, and the omnipresent Nelson
some folks over at GSoM are figuring Nelson either manipulated the situation in his favor, or simply allowed Mullin to be sliced out of the picture – either way, had Nelson thrown his weight publicly to Mullin he would not likely be on his way out
this sounds more like what happens in Dallas with MC trying to pull levers behind the curtain …
by hardcore on Nov 24, 2008 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's my party and I'll cry if I want to
Pookey – no doubt you’ve got your grey cells in an uproar. You have many well thought out concerns. We can all agree that Joe Maloof, (and I am naive enough to believe with best intentions for a better team(product)) has diarrhea of the mouth. The Maloofs deal with situations of dissatisfaction with vocally and publicly..I think this is a wake up call. IMO, this all blows over unless they lose three, four games out of the next four, five. But, Reggie has target on his back, expect the media finger to remain on the trigger throughout the season. (see: Scott Howard-Cooper’s Opening tip: The coaching candidates. Just in case, you know, it comes up )
by betweentheeyes on Nov 16, 2008 8:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If Pookey owned the Kings
I wonder if he’d go on the radio with Peaches every time there was a three game losing streak and spew out whatever madcap stuff popped into his mind just for the hell of it? Damn, that would be fun!
(Also, I wonder if he’d hire Section as the GM and let us all hang out on the Owner’s box at Arco…)
Anyway, great post, pook… I especially enjoyed the paragraph where the JFK/Cuban Underground reference spins off into an interesting historical postulation on LBJ and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, then makes a wild 90 degree hairpin turn to unveil Paul Pierce!
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
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by Mucho Moss on Nov 17, 2008 11:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping people got the point
That many of those events really did revolve around the assassination of JFK. (Whether or not you thought he was a good prez is another matter. No debate on that here please.)
Also, Mucho (see I do learn), if I owned the team, I would let my management run the team that I hired to run it. That is the point of hiring them, Unless, as Scoop said, you no longer want them running the team. I find it hard to believe that with Petrie’s incredible run of success with the Kings alone (which doesn’t even include how successful Portland was while he was running things there), the Maloof’s should let Petrie do things his way. But, of course, they aren’t. And thanks.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 17, 2008 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
on pretty much everything you’re saying, btw.
I’ve always said the best thing the Maloofs can do is to to recognize that Geoff Petrie forgets more about NBA basketball before he finishes his coffee in the morning than all the M Brothers and Whisenant know put together. Just let GP do his freakin job, (and that includes hiring whoever he thinks should be the coach) and this franchise will usually be one of the best in the league, year in year out.
Based on certain remarks you’ve made here in the past, pookey, I guess I thought that you were not a big fan of Geoff Petrie, but I’m glad to see you’ve got a good perspective on how lucky we are to have him in Sacramento.
PS;
Just for the record, I’m a died-in-the-wool Northern California liberal who grew up in the 60’s and 70’s, and went to school at Berkeley, so my opinions on President Kennedy, LBJ, Civil Rights etc would be pretty predictable.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
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by Mucho Moss on Nov 17, 2008 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The single biggest thing I disagree with him ever having done
Was holding onto Ron Artest too long. Even then it’s hard to argue he wasn’t rewarded for it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 17, 2008 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Started rebuilding a year too late
I don’t know if that was him – or the Maloofs though.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 20, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on who was truly behind the Artest deal
The Kings were going nowhere and could have (probably) traded Peja for expiring and a pick or a youngster. We would have missed the playoffs that year and may have scored a better player than Douby in the following draft. Artest’s contract would have never been on the books, perhaps leading to something stronger than the Salmons or Mikki signings. Who knows?
Wolda, coulda, shoulda…
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by section214 on Nov 20, 2008 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There are still roster problems here
We need to get healthy and add a shooter to the bench.
I have real sympathy for Reggie, he’s playing with his back-up bcak-up SG who doesn’t have much gas yet and has been inconsistant in game play when he has gotten chances.
Not enough wing players.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 17, 2008 11:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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