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The View From Section 214, 11/16

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Mmm, turnovers.

Pregame -

The 11th game of the season, and Spencer Hawes' 82nd as a pro - his last game as a rookie according to Brad Miller's math.

A fan sitting behind me dumps his beer - the first turnover of the night...foreshadowing?

No live band tonight, and the emcee is one of the Royal Court Dancers.

I'm safe here up here in 214. There is no way that they'll venture up here for one of those annoying fan interviews, right? Right?

1st Quarter -

Turnover.

Here come your Thundersticks. I think that there are 10 for every fan.

Nice claws, Bluetooth. Turnover.

Turnover, turnover.

Jason Thompson is going to lead this team in floor burns.

Turnover.

Kings out to a 23-15 lead, thanks to good rebounding, no thanks to shoddy ball handling.

2nd Quarter -

Turnover, turnover.

Kings have Hawes, Williams, Thompson and Brown on the floor. The 5th man is B-Jax, whose age is  the equivalent of his four teammates, combined.

Turnover, turnover.

Name that TV Tune is on the jumbo tron, and Reggie runs the table.

Turnover.

Down 43-42 at the half.

Halftime -

Cyclist stunts, short bathroom lines, cold beer.

3rd Quarter -

Who gave the Viagra to Michael Finley? He's taking it to the hole hard!

Turnover.

John Salmons needs a partner - he can't do this by himself...can he?

Turnover, turnover.

Bobby Brown and Jacque Vaughn are getting kind of chippy.

Turnover.

A 30-25 quarter and the Kings lead 72-68.

4th Quarter -

I just noticed that Salmons is sporting a large bandage over his eye? Is that from the other night? Hope not - the NBA will fine him for making a statement about the officiating.

Turnover, turnover.

Turnover, turnover.

Tied with 3 minutes left. Do you like Pop and Duncan or Theus and Salmons?

No one has left as we go down to the wire.

46.5 seconds, we have the ball and Reggie calls timeout. I'm not a big fan of this. I think the timeout benefits San Antonio's defensive efforts more than our offensive efforts. Hope I'm wrong.

Our last three possessions - airball by Brad, miss by JT, short 3 by Douby. The Spurs did a good job of keeping the ball away from Salmons. This is where Martin's presence would have come in handy, if for no other reason than to free up Salmons.

Another woeful job of execution late, and we fall 90-88 to Tim Duncan and his traveling band of minstrels.

Postgame -

For the better part of a year, I have watched my favorite team in the whole wide world play with a total disregard for the ball. Two, maybe three fewer turnovers tonight and the Kings win this game. This has got to stop. As tired as we may get hearing Jerry preach this, we must value the ball. This-has-got-to-stop.

Until the next time, end transmission.

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Am I the only one

Who had a problem with Douby being on the court down the stretch in favor of Hawes?

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 17, 2008 8:11 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Probably shouldb have been Hawes

But I don’t necessarily mind Douby being given a chance to redeem himself. However, I thought that last play was a terrible call. Taking a 27 foot three with when you’re down two doesn’t make any sense.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Nov 17, 2008 8:21 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

But since he didn't/couldn't

Don’t you think that this is going to do further damage to his confidence?

Bad enough to not get an extension, then have an injury. Now he’s been given two chances to win games and has blown both.

Still, I think Theus deserves the blame here. NO WAY should Douby have been put into this situation.

Hawes should have been on the floor instead of either Douby or JT.

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 17, 2008 8:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hawes should have been on the floor instead of either Douby or JT.

Agreed, if for no other reason than Hawes is more confident than either of the other two players.

Still, I think Theus deserves the blame here. NO WAY should Douby have been put into this situation.

This I’m less sure about. If Douby succeeds, his confidence is absolutely sky-high by redeeming himself for the last game. In terms of wins and losses, it was a bad move. In terms of Douby’s career, the Kings needed to find out if Qunicy has it or he doesn’t. The only way to find out is to put him in that situation and try.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Nov 17, 2008 8:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Once? Maybe

Twice in a row? In close games against teams in the same conference? When the guy has seen five minutes all season?

Only if you’ve been smoking crack.

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 17, 2008 9:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair

Douby had been hurt to start to season, and it’s safe to assume he probably would have played 5 or more minutes. But, that being said, he’s coming off an injury and hasn’t really gotten into a flow, so I would have preferred someone else taking the shot. I would have personally loved for that to be Salmons or Hawes.

All you can hope for is that Douby has the type of personality to recover from two missed game winners and have it fuel him to be better for the rest of the season.

by The Ghost of Dick Bavetta on Nov 17, 2008 9:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Right

I’m not blaming Douby. I’m blaming Theus for putting Douby into that position.

Theus lost us the last two games because of the guys he chose to have on the floor.

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 17, 2008 9:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

I think the idea that another player would necessarily have won the game is a bit of a leap. Now excuse me while I hit this pipe.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Nov 17, 2008 8:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I respectfully submit

That if Hawes had been on the floor down the stretch against San Antonio, it never would have come to that.

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 17, 2008 8:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hindsight is 20/20 LPA

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 18, 2008 5:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree

Terrible coaching by Reggie down the stretch in the past few games (minus Clipps). And at what point does it not become obvious that the 3 pt shot is killing you and that defensive adjustments must be made.

Spencer was not having a great shooting night last night, but he is the Kings most capable inside scorer and he can do it with both hands. When it comes down to the end of games and baskets are tougher to get, you have to have an inside presence who can score or at least draw folks. Spence is the best we’ve got. No disrespect to JT, but all you have to do is guard that guy’s right hand.

Those last few possessions exemplify the King’s season thus far. Poor planning and poor execution.

by Kusian on Nov 17, 2008 9:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 17, 2008 1:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we have no guards to play out there

and no guards to threaten the other team FROM there.

Take a look at my ‘Incomplete Roster’ thread if you want but we need another perimeter player even after KM and Cisco are back.

Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !

by lietothegirls on Nov 17, 2008 2:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I did read it

And I think we’ll get one in next years draft. But, right now our biggest need is interior defense. The one thing Joe Maloof had right is that our 3pt defense is costing us games. (at least 3) And the reason we’re giving up so many threes is because the defense is calapsing in on the paint because Moore & MIller are too slow and don’t leave their feet when people drive into the paint. So, we send everyone to help and gamble that the 3pt shooters go cold which they haven’t.

What confuses me about Theus’s rotation, is why he isn’t playing Greene who could be that catch and shoot player your looking for. The knock on Greene is he only knows how to play zone defense. Well, we’re playing plenty of zone when JT is at the 3, so why not give some time to Greene. He can’t be that much worst than JT in playing the zone and his offense could be a lot better.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 17, 2008 5:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We have two new young bigs

who better be able to learn to control the paint or this team is in trouble for a looong time.

Donte’ can’t stay on the floor because he picks up two fouls and two turnovers in eight minutes – along with his two rebounds and 5-8 pts. he’s clearly a bench guy at this point. Maybe he’ll develop during the season(?) JT, though he is hitting the wall a bit right now, clearly belongs on the floor more.

I agree that we may need to replace a big if MM and Williams are both gone next year but we can do that with a journeyman vet. Watch out for too many rookies/young players all waiting for that first big contract. You need some role players who have already accepted that they ARE role players.

Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !

by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2008 12:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can live with that

I think your spot on with the Journeyman idea. Originally, I had hoped that Shelden could fill that spot with his shot blocking and rebounding ability, but now I’m leaning more to trading for one.

But, I can live with Donte’ getting the stats you quoted. If it will get him PT and experience, and get the coaching staff an idea about his live game shooting ability then send him out there for 10mins per game.

JT hasn’t been perfect at the 3, so if the Kings are going to play zone anyways, I say give Greene’ a shot.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 18, 2008 1:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bad loss

This loss was particularly bad because San Antonio essentially ran out the NBDL All Star team with Tim Duncan. Without Parker and Ginobili, that’s a bad, bad team (and not in a good way). A few less mistakes, some better play calls at the end, a JT layup that drops here or there, and the Kings win this one.

The upcoming schedule is murderous. New Orleans, the Lakers and two games against Portland – the only realistic win is the home game against Portland. If the Kings manage to lose to Memphis, there’s a strong possibility of a 6 game losing streak and a new coach (which I think would be completely unjustified).

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Nov 17, 2008 8:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Here's the thing about Douby

He has missed pretty much the entire season (including training camp.) How many players could be brought in under those circumstances and be asked to take the clutch final shot, not once, but two games in a row? Kobe? Sure. LeBron? Yep. Speed? Maybe. Depends how solid he looks. But Douby? The guy you didn’t even think was worth extending? What was Theus thinking? I’ve defended him a lot. And I’m still not voting for him to be fired—yet. But the fact that he put the winning shot in the hands of a guy who has been inconsistent at best, two straight games in a row, when he hasn’t even had a training camp, really is making me start thinking that Flip looks pretty dang good right about now. Either that, or somebody above (Maloofs?) is telling him to give unibrow more playing time.

I honestly think the kid could be a decent back-up two. But he is not, and will never be, the guy I want holding the ball with the game on the line—unless he’s shooting free throws.

Reggie, what were you thinking?!

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Nov 17, 2008 9:20 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Still not a Douby believer

He’s playing ok defense I suppose, but I don’t sense any confidence from him while he’s on the floor. He’s a nondescript player with a few physical talents, but I don’t see him being an effective NBA player anytime soon.

Why is Douby still being shoved down our throats? Let’s just call it a missed draft pick and move on.

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Nov 17, 2008 9:31 AM PST reply actions   4 recs

+1
Let’s just call it a missed draft pick and move on.

Amen!

"Shut up and Coach!"
Vfettke

by SavageBeast on Nov 17, 2008 9:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+2

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Nov 17, 2008 9:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No Divided we Fall on Douby apparently

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 17, 2008 12:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Same play

i found it intersting that Theus drew up the same play as the game before for the win (when the game was tied). the spurs had douby covered this time, and we ended up with a decent look for Miller, but still seems a bit like a lack of imagination.

by good as gold on Nov 17, 2008 11:03 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Let's grasp reality

With KM and Cisco out there are NO ‘catch and shoot’ guys on this roster, Donte’ may eventually be one of those guys but…..

Yes, QD should have definately cut in closer or taken a step but -

What would you like?
Salmons? Yes, he had a great game – but his instinct is to put the ball on the floor – especially with a man in his face. Just a fact. Even when he does catch and shoot without putting down the ball, its always very deliberate. Shot clock violation waiting to happen.

Hawes you say? Hadn’t hit a jumper all night and also as a big man it takes him a tick to turn and square-up. Maaaay have been a better option? Probably should have been on the floor in any case.

Brad? Same problem as Hawes multipiled + had just airballed one.

Beno? I’d have liked it to seem like he wanted the ball and had Brad pass it in. That does leave you small on the floor but -

My summary:
Its nice to have a lot of guys who can create thier own shot, hell, you always see it in player evals ’Can’t create his own shot’.

However, too much of players wired like that give us what we’ve gotten the last few years, low assist totals and lack of ball movement in crunch time. Even KM tends to take the pass and defuse the assist chance by ‘creating’ off the dribble – unless its a play right to the hole.

Cisco is the only player on this roster who’s first instinct is to ‘shoot now’. Thats just not enough in this league, you gotta have some more quick score threats. Defending players are just too quick to rotate, at least on decent teams – and even mediocre ones if you give them a second or two.

QD is the only other player who has sooome of that instinct to shoot. We all know that he’s been inconsistant in his two years doing it – but that was truly all we have in a quick score situation.

This team is incomplete, even with KM and Cisco back, they desperately need another ‘catch and shoot’ option off the bench. Other tams watch tape, they know. There’s no one to set off alarm bells in a defense right now, force panic, mistakes.

SA as depleted as they were, had three guys on the floor late in the game that stand on the perimeter waiting to recieve the ball – and shoot.

I lobby once again that any trade of MM MUST bring us back the type of player we’re missing or short of. I don’t care if they’re down the bench most of the game, you’ve gotta have another ‘threat’ to just SCORE.

Do it GP, do it.

Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !

by lietothegirls on Nov 17, 2008 11:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

What about Desmond Mason for Mikki?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 17, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I really think we need a perimeter threat

who can hopefully play some D out there. A veteran is fine as I too hope Donte’ is the future.

Mason is not as I have been monotonously saying we need, a ‘shooter’.

A may go ahead and post my comment above as a new thread and see what the opinion is. . . .

Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !

by lietothegirls on Nov 17, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't think "that" type of perimeter player is available with Mikki involved

That’s too high of a caliber player that teams value way too much.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 17, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Maloof right about one thing

If we had done a better job defending the 3pt shot, we would be up 3 games in the win column. I agree that having another catch & shoot expert would be nice, but it’s the teams defense that is losing us games. Although I thought that Theus’s substitutions lost us the Spurs game. Our best 3pt shooters are Brown, Hawes, Miller & Salmon in that order, and only 2 were in the game for the final shot. Plus JT & Douby weren’t shooting well, and Hawes our best defender wasn’t on the floor in a defensive battle.

When we’re not playing zone, we’re calapsing into the paint because of our poor interior defense. Either way we’re leaving the 3pt shooters open, and gambling that they’ll miss which they haven’t been. We need a defensive stopper in the paint to team with Miller, and it looks like for now JT & Sheldon aren’t up to the job. If we trade for a big that can block or alter shots in the paint, then the wings can back out and defend the 3.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Nov 17, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Interestingly enough

We harped on Adelman’s defense the last few years of his tenure, but during the glory years of the Kings (with a young Christie and BJax), the Kings were one of the top teams in the league in defensive FG% and defensive 3p FG%.

That probably explains Douby’s continued presence on the roster – Petrie is hoping he will be a Christie redux.

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Nov 17, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DC13 wasn't young when he came into the Kings organization

By the time he arrived in the EC, he had been in the league 9 years. B-Jax was kinda young in service time, but then again, he was like 26 or 27 when he got here too. I’m just kinda annoyed that Adelman has now come up, and perspective on how much of a quality coach he was in some ways. Or whatever.

It’s time I write my Adelman perspective post. (It will be on the Dream Shake for those interested. It may be a week or two before I get it up. I’m going to take my time on it.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 17, 2008 1:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be interested to read it

I think we both know that we are on different sides of the Adelman debate, but our last few HC choices are making him look good in comparison.

Kevin Pritchard has Chuck Norris tied up in the trunk of his car.

by otis29 on Nov 17, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He looks like Red Auerbach compared to Avery Johnson

And I hope you like it.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 17, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Douby is supposed to be the guy you want.

The person you are exactly requesting show up for us, is the guy who did take the shot, Quincy Douby, he just missed it.

Douby is exactly what you describe, a pure jump shooter. The only issue is…he might not be good enough at it to stay in the NBA. On this team, Douby is supposed to be on the floor to take that shot; he’s supposed to be a guy the other team fears will beat them. He’s just not doing the job, and his failure to do so probably means Europe is in his future.

by ForThree on Nov 18, 2008 7:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good recap Section

I just think the Suns & Spurs losses signify just how important Kevin & Cisco are to this team. Especially at this time.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 17, 2008 12:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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