Graphing the Late Game Turnovers

All these fourth quarter turnovers got me in the mood to diagram the last four games. Go check it out, if you like car wrecks and expired milk.

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Interesting points

I thought it was interesting how you showed the progression of total possessions by showing where the turnovers actually occurred during the course of the game. I’ve never seen that before. You truly are the true blue triple threat. (Ballhype,StR,Fanhouse)

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by pookeyguru on Nov 18, 2008 1:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Well written but...

Besides the Detroit game… I didnt see much evidence of Ziller’s thesis – that the Kings lack focus in the fourth quarter. A better point should be that they lack focus in every quarter – which is what he said, but he confused it with that “closing out” argument.

tighten it up.

by Citadel 29 on Nov 18, 2008 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Write it with your criticisms in mind

Then get back to me.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 18, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Phoenix game?

11 in the 4th and OT.

The S.A. game was the only one of the four where the team’s turnovers were worse earlier in the game. But two of the ones in the fourth were really late, and crushing.

by Ziller on Nov 18, 2008 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You're much nicer than I am

Or far more tolerant at the very least.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 18, 2008 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Pheonix Game

Seems to me – and Im just using your charts for reference – that the entire game was rife with turnovers, with very little difference between the halves. Maybe its me, but your charts don’t really convey much difference.

by Citadel 29 on Nov 19, 2008 6:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Turnovers are the players fault

almost all the time. The exceptions are on called plays badly set up.

Shooters don’t turn the ball over much, dribblers do. Too many guys on this roster who are dribblers trying to create thier own shot – rather than shooters.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2008 1:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I'd love to see an analysis of how the turnovers occurred

Were they on passes? On lost dribbles? Blocks? Violations?

And compare that to teams who rarely turn it over.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2008 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll bet I know the result of the descrepancy

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by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2008 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Seems to me

Without doing a study, it looks to me that most of the turnovers have been on bad passes. Beno gets a lot by throwing where he thinks a guy will be and isn’t. The young guys get them by throwing to Gavin in the front row. Salmons is the exception and tends to get them by dribbling into crowds. And Mikki gets them by putting lotion on his hands during timeouts.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Nov 18, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I take exception to the MIkki comment

He gets them every time he screws his hands on.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 18, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Whenever I see Mikki drop a pass

I think of the kid from “Little Giants” who can never catch a pass, staring at his hands and saying: “Why do you do this to me, fellas? I cut your nails, wash you, put gloves on you when you’re cold…”

Maybe we should start throwing toilet paper for him to ease him into the concept of catching and eventually work him up to basketballs. Or we could just slather his hands in stick-um. Either one works for me.

by The Ghost of Dick Bavetta on Nov 18, 2008 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Say what yo will about MM,

but he’s delicious with a little drawn butter and lemon.

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by section214 on Nov 18, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Mikki has clearly

got a career being a children’s mascot in a crab suit.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 18, 2008 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Who knew that he was a two-sport star?

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by section214 on Nov 18, 2008 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs

Sir you're a legend in your mind

But the problem is your a legend with everyone else too.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 18, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm going to start using multiple accounts

To give multiple recs to stuff like this.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Nov 18, 2008 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You two should have a funny contest

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 18, 2008 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Funny haha or funny strange?

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 18, 2008 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Good Question

But I was going for the haha with that statement.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 18, 2008 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I concede

Section214 has outfunnied me at least 5 to 1 here. You know how the Kings are going to play New Orleans on the road tomorrow? Picture me as the Kings and Section214 as New Orleans. I’ll be lucky not to lose by 20.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Nov 18, 2008 11:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not happening

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Nov 19, 2008 4:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You are catching him on a back-to-back

"Mock outrage makes me outraged." - Carl @ STR

by otis29 on Nov 19, 2008 5:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I claim a crustacian exception to the chart.

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by lietothegirls on Nov 18, 2008 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not indepth analysis

But, I can tell you that 41% of the turnovers before tonights game were charged to Beno, Salmon, & Hawes. Now, I haven’t charted them but my gut feeling is that the majority came from dribble penetration into the paint and trying to pass in the painted area. Of course, we’ve seen some weak passes get picked off , and Beno getting stripped off the dribble for a breakaway. But, I’d guess that trying to force the play inside the painted area, is were the majority happen.

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by HighTops on Nov 18, 2008 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs