Three way with Chicago and New Orleans?
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I don't think this happens
We got expiring contracts, a prospect and a 2nd for Bibby. I don’t see why we’d take only expiring contracts for Miller. There needs to be a prospect and/or a pick coming our way from somewhere.
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by Kfan in Korea on Nov 20, 2008 6:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
BullsBlogger mentions that it may take a pick or a youngster to make this work, and that’s the only way that I see this as a reasonable deal for the Kings. The pick doesn’t need to be for 2009 since we already have two picks. Perhaps it could be a swap of Houston’s pick for Chicago’s pick.
I’m in no hurry to trade Miller, unless it brings something viable for the future.
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by section214 on Nov 20, 2008 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Miller
… “is a bit of a redass”… Hmm, how is that the same or different than being a redneck?
by hozr on Nov 20, 2008 7:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Per the Urban Dictionary
to be annoyed at something/person/place.
“Where the hell is the waiter? I’m getting a really bad case of redass, yo!”
That sounds like Brad.
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by Kfan in Korea on Nov 20, 2008 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
K9?
They`ll take K9 & Miller for Hinrich & Gooden & C.Simmons & T.Sepolosha!
I wonder if they`d take Miller & K.Thomas & Douby for Hinrich & Gooden & T.Thomas?
Same money keeps both teams out of LUXTAX.
Got to wait 24 hrs to find out.
by hudson101 on Nov 20, 2008 10:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich
$36.5 million due to him over the next four years – this is a guy that has been behind Udrih in PER all of last and this year. No thanks.
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by section214 on Nov 20, 2008 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too many yrs.
If it were a 2 yr cont. for Kirk it`d be a wash for K9 but NO your right.Just like to see K9 out & Beno off the bench.
by hudson101 on Nov 20, 2008 11:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Earlier
takes be back what I said in another post earlier.
Miller & Douby for Tyrus,Gooden & Sepolosha.
214 can we take on a roster spot now? from SAR?
by hudson101 on Nov 20, 2008 11:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
In December that roster spot opens I think
What exactly would we do with those guys? Wouldn’t we need Noah to back up Hawes? Why another PF in Gooden/Tthomas?
As for Douby, those guys need a guard over 6’2", they desperately need some 6’6" – 6’7" guys who can go to the hole – oh yeah and a Center since picking Noah over Hawes didn’t work out so well (I told everyone he would never score)
How about Salmons + for Deng? (heh heh)
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by lietothegirls on Nov 21, 2008 2:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its Mikki we need to move
Not Brad, unless ther’s something very very good coming back.
Mikki is the one who’s in the way.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 21, 2008 2:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
How is Mikki in the way anymore than K9 is in the way?
by hozr on Nov 21, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because he can actually play, there might really be some interest
and he has a 2 mil buyout for next season for the other team. Not just dead weight.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 21, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your objection to Mikki
from prior posts at least seems to be that he is taking away minutes from JT and others. You don’t have to trade a guy just to solve that problem. That problem (if indeed it is one) is due to coaching decisions and not the guy’s presence.
by hozr on Nov 21, 2008 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's tradeable was my point
K9 isn’t (don’t fool youself) and I think we need Brad for at least a while.
He will be more tradable while he’s still perceived as a starter, its a little psychological thing but I think it matters.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 21, 2008 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tradeable for what
I’ve felt the same as you but I’m beginning to change my mind. Our 3pt shooting is horrible and I thought we might be able to trade Moore & Doubly with their expiring (buy out) contracts, for a vet spot up shooter with or without an expiring contract.
But, now I’m thinking we also need another rebounder/shotblocker and that Brad must go. He’s showing increasing signs of reduced capacity in evey phase of his game, and we need to trade him before he loses all his value. He still might average 12 & 10, but at what cost on defense. Plus he gets outrebouded by shorter players with more vertical leaping ability. Even his passing is showing signs of deterioration.
By the number and quality of the teams that are scoring over 110 pts on us, I got to think that we need defense more than anything. And, with improved interior d , out guards and wings can stay home on the 3pt shooters.
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by HighTops on Nov 22, 2008 12:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What's the proposed trade
for whatever reason BlogaBull is blocked here at work. StR isn’t though, and they’re on the same network. Hmm…
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by vfettke on Nov 21, 2008 10:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
CHI/NO/SAC
CHI gets Miller & R.Butler
N O gets Nocioni & Douby
Sac gets D.Gooden & M.James
suggested by blog a bull
by hudson101 on Nov 21, 2008 10:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Miller/Douby for Gooden/James
Miller v. Gooden. I like BM better now than Gooden, but BM’s aging. BM’s better offense and passing, same at rebounding. Gooden’s younger, a better defender, but not a marked improvement, other than a very good long-term backup at the 4/5.
Douby v. James. Ugh. It’s like a wart for toe fungus.
I’d make the deal. We’re not winning with BM this year. If Gooden can stay for 3+ years, this makes the long-term front court very good – perhaps great.
by StepUp on Nov 21, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No Way
I don’t see the upside, especially if Mike James has a player option.
Yes, Brad is overpaid, but he does contribute. We’re going to give that away for:
1) An expiring contract of a big that we wouldn’t want to play anyway
2) A veteran Quincy Douby we know he will never be good and might stay past his welcome next year?
This deal is way too good for the Bulls. They give up garbage for Miller; nice trade if you can do it.
If the Bulls want to talk trade, lets talk about Deng. The Bulls guys seem down on him, I’d entertain something built around Miller for Deng, he’d be a very nice piece to add to our core.
by ForThree on Nov 21, 2008 10:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I’d rather keep Miller and let his money drop off the cap after next season, then resign him for a couple of years at a far lower amount. I realize his contract may have some value as an expiring, but I don’t think we are going to get a veteran impact player for him. And that’s exactly what you’re going to need, when you figure we are adding TWO more first round picks this season (if we don’t deal them).
I think there’s a chance this team could be getting too young at some point. Unless dealing Miller and/or our upcoming draft picks is going to net us a superstar-type player, why not just hang onto BMill as a veteran presence on the court?
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by otis29 on Nov 21, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed!!
otis29: ‘I think there’s a chance this team could be getting too young at some point. Unless dealing Miller and/or our upcoming draft picks is going to net us a superstar-type player, why not just hang onto BMill as a veteran presence on the court?’
I couldn’t agree more, we’ll need to add a young vet soon or the team gets too young. Rebuild yes, keep adding rookies for two or three more years? – by the time we finish and they start growing up, we’ll have to start over.
I re-sign Brad at a discount (good price, say midlevel) and let him run the second team for several more years. Great for the second team, great for insurance against an inury.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 21, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless the deal is sweet
and that don’t come close friends….
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by lietothegirls on Nov 21, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think this team is getting too young
Martin is 26, Garcia is 27, Thompson is 22 now (and Amick has been on 1140 with the rise guys saying he plays with more poise usually that players 2-3 years older than him have), Beno is also 26, and perhaps Bobby Brown is also 23. These guys don’t play like typical young players, and all of them are pretty much the players they’re going to be. I don’t think veterans are that necessary FOR THIS particular team.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 21, 2008 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Two or three more rookies
would be too much.
I’d rather have one very good one and a young useful vet.
My opinion
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by lietothegirls on Nov 21, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So we can agree to disagree
NO biggie.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 21, 2008 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brad for some expirings is a no go
not while he still has a lot to offer in how we can run the offense through him as well as what he can still teach Spencer. What’s Gooden going to teach our young bigs? How to grow bad facial hair? No freakin’ thanks. Now if we can get Ty Thomas or Joakim Noah and a pick, then sure, go for it.
Right now, Miller is just too valuable as a player, teacher, and a soon to be expiring contract. There’s no reason to get rid of him unless we get something back that is useful to us in the future. We don’t need the cap space now, we need it in ’10
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by vfettke on Nov 21, 2008 12:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
The Bulls wont’ give up Thomas/Noah and a pick for Brad Miller.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 21, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not
However, I’m sure GP could work his voodoo and get it done. All he has to do is convince them that Miller is the big man they need to be a truly great team. They already hate themselves for passing on both KG and Gasol that they just might go for it.
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by vfettke on Nov 21, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with vfette
unless its a sweeeet deal (that means very sweet) and Noah comes back.
Even then I’m not so sure for the reasons mentioned.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 21, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Draft picks are assets
I agreet that I would not do this deal without a pick or a youngster coming back. That said, there is nothing that says that you can’t later deal that pick to another team that is on the rebuild. In other words, if you could make this deal and get a pick in return, and then next year deal that pick and expiring contract (Kenny Thomas, hello!) to a team looking to move a player or rebuild (Gerald Wallace is a lousy example since I don’t want his contract, but you get the idea).
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by section214 on Nov 21, 2008 12:23 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I don't want the player (G-Dub)
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by pookeyguru on Nov 21, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
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by lietothegirls on Nov 21, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the most overrated players in the NBA
plus, can someone get him a helmet
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by vfettke on Nov 21, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So he can ride the short bus
Or start working for Pride?
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by pookeyguru on Nov 21, 2008 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Section
and I like your thinking.
Why are people focusing on Wallace? It was an example. If you don’t like Wallace, think Stephen Jackson or Adam Morrison or Wally Szczerbiak or Jerry Stackhouse or Jamaal Tinsley or Jason Hart or Luke Walton or Antoine Walker or Mark Blount or Brian Cardinal or Kwame Brown.
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by Kfan in Korea on Nov 21, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
With a Chicago #1 brought in, the Kings could afford to send K9 with TWO picks and still have a pick left over. Maybe the Kings end up keeping the Chicago pick, and trading the Sacramento & Houston picks with K9’s expiring deal. This is exactly the kind of package it takes to get a big-time player.
To take Wallace out of the conversation (since many seem to have gravitated to that part), and think about something like this (using ’09 salaries)….
Kenny Thomas ($8.775M), John Salmons ($5.456M), Sacramento #1, & Houston #1
[$14.231M total]
-for-
Carmelo Anthony ($15.780M)
Note: The Nuggets should have plenty of roster spots next year, so that shouldn’t be a concern.
I’m not saying this is the ONLY option, just saying that this is the type of deal that (a) it takes to get a big-time player, and (b) the Kings could put together without giving up the chance of getting a 2009 first rounder (full circle: getting that pick from Chicago for Miller). Perhaps including a player like Salmons means that Sacramento keeps their own pick, which would only make us love Geoff Petrie more.
by smgmatt on Nov 21, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks
You took what I was trying to say and said it. Rec’d.
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by section214 on Nov 21, 2008 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you just hate that?
Especially when he’s posted like 10 times in the last month?
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by pookeyguru on Nov 21, 2008 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Another example of quality over quantity
I don’t cotton to that sort of thing, personally.
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by section214 on Nov 21, 2008 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Me either
Or isn’t like every fan post of mine proof?
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by pookeyguru on Nov 21, 2008 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you both...
…for the kind words, and for keeping everyone far more entertained/informed with your “quantity” than I ever do with my “quality” (emphasis on the quotes).
I’m just there to pick up the assists.
by smgmatt on Nov 23, 2008 1:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's sell our soul to the devil while we at it.
I’m not against trading draft picks for stars, but I am against giving up on this season to do it. Trading Brad without getting a top shotblocker/ rebounder in return is just putting too much pressure on JT & Hawes. We don’t need them playing extended minutes for the rest of the season, and I still worry about Spencer’s knees. Mikki’s defense is worst than Miller’s and Sheden well who knows how Shelden’s going to perform.
I’m tired of the zone and the help defense in the paint that leave 3pt shooters open. I really don’t what to watch us get blown out by 20 every game just to stockpile draft choices that may or maynot bring us a star next year.
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by HighTops on Nov 22, 2008 12:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think that Miller can fetch a top shot blocker/rebounder?
The proposed deal does include Gooden, which should alleviate your concern over JT and Spencer being overworked (and to reitereate, I don’t deal Miller without youth or a pick coming back).
You could attempt to craft a deal that involves T.Thomas/Hinrich for Miller/Douby, but you’re paying an awful lot of money for Hinrich ($36.5M over four years) just to have a bird in the hand in Thomas, a guy that would be due a $6.3M qualifying offer in 2010.
So where do we find your guy? I don’t think that Philly will part with Dalembert, Pachulia is too cheap and Atlanta does not have the auxiliary pieces, Swift of OKC is a question mark and his contract expires at the end of the year and I don’t know why OKC would make that deal, I don’t think that New Orleans would put Chandler into play for Miller, Kaman is a space cadet, Hibbert has yet to prove that he can play more than 20 minutes of an NBA game without fouling/passing out…
So we leave it alone. Which means that you’re going to continue to get tired of the zone and help defense in the paint that leave 3pt. shooters open. Because the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
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by section214 on Nov 22, 2008 8:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think New Jersey could be willing to move Sean Williams if they're tired of him
They tired of Marcus Williams in the same way. So how bout, the Stro Show/Williams for Douby/Moore?
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by pookeyguru on Nov 22, 2008 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like this deal
But this would negate the Blog-A-Bull deal, as Douby was a component of that trade. I don’t see Swift or Williams really adding much this year unless a deal involving Miller was made. Now, if you came up with such a deal (and let’s say you worked Sh.Williams in to make up for Douby’s absence and added Hilton Armstrong as meat from New Orleans) then your end product would look something like this.
Again, a draft pick would need to come our way in this deal. That would give us a pick and a prospect (Se.Williams) and an additional $7.5 million in cap space next year, when K9’s(woof’s!) expiring contract might possibly be moveable.
I think I likey.
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by section214 on Nov 22, 2008 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No draft picks are coming the Kings way right now
And truthfully, they have as many as they need. And I would be willing to deal Conley for a high draft pick myself. Top 5 protected.
I disagree about Miller being worth a pick. My personal opinion there. I don’t think Matt’s deal works because Noc makes too much money and the Hornets don’t like taking those deals on.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 22, 2008 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Miller may not be worth a pick or a prospect
But if you can’t get that for him, you don’t deal him, at least not yet.
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by section214 on Nov 22, 2008 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine
My point had nothing to do with Miller though. IT was a deal INSTEAD of Brad Miller? (I’m hoping you realize that, because the tone of your comments suggests that trading Miller and Moore is something this team can’t do right now. Or maybe I’m missing something. Always possible.) Either way, I wouldn’t mind keeping Miller and flanking him with Williams, and just making the Stro Show go away into a deep dark corner where he can’t be seen heard or believed in.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 22, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No argument here
I like your NJ deal, but it does not really benefit the current Kings if Miller is not also dealt.
Swift would bring little (that’s OK, he’s expiring contract), and Se.Williams would be fighting Sh.Williams for table scraps (see Sh.Williams minutes while Moore has been hurt). Miller would have to be dealt for Se.Williams to get a chance. I base this on Matin’s and Garcia’s eventual return, which will greatly shrink the available minutes at the 3, as Salmons and Garcia will get the bulk of those minutes, which in turn moves Thompson firmly to the 4 spot for his minutes. Miller, Hawes and Thompson would get the vast majority of the remaining minutes over Se.Williams. Maybe that is reason enough to make the trade, to unload Moore and free up the minutes for Thompson.
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by section214 on Nov 22, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
And give the remaining spot minutes to Sean Williams. You simultaneously also accomplish this by removing Douby out of the equation giving Donte Greene whatever spot minutes at the 3 for him too. You also shorten the G rotation, but whatever, does that really matter with B-Jax and BB getting so many mins now? And with them likely to shrink when Kevin returns?
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by pookeyguru on Nov 22, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Make the deal.
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by section214 on Nov 22, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This scares me
when you start agreeing. Am I to sign my soul over to the devil upon said trade completed?
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by pookeyguru on Nov 22, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't fall for it
It’s a trap, run for your life.
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by HighTops on Nov 23, 2008 12:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't say I had a move
I said I wouldn’t move Miller without somehow getting a low post force to replace him. Your idea of youth or picks only works if we pick up a big contract, to match salaries so I’m not happy with that idea either. Plus I’m not sure who would be willing to give up a pick for Miller without sticking us with their bad contracts.
Pookey’s idea of the 3 way bring us Williams & Swift, is intriguing because of the cap space in 09, but I don’t know if Williams can be that interior force playing 20 min or less.
If using your idea, we accumulate draft picks to trade for vets, why not trade Miller and Houstons pick now. Maybe Pookey can come up with another 3 way that upgrades our end if we through in a pick. Short of that the only thing I’ve got is to gamble on a rookie like Hibbert . At least Miller would be happy going back to Indiana.
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by HighTops on Nov 23, 2008 12:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CHI/ORL/SAC
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3000556575849304017113207356322419983024&teams=441944232323232323&te=&cash=
Hughes Udrih Brown
Martin Garcia Redick
Salmons Green Jackson(trade?)
Thompson Gooden Cook
Hawes Noah Grey
Everybody stays under LUXTAX.Salmons plays Point Forward.
by hudson101 on Nov 22, 2008 1:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Chicago
gives up Gooden/Noah/Gray and Hughes for Miller and the end of our bench. I’m game, but I bet that you won’t get a warm reception at Blog-A-Bull.
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by section214 on Nov 22, 2008 2:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blogabull
They`ll take K9 & Miller for Hinrich & Gooden & C.Simmons & T.Sepolosha!
This is a suggestion from blogabull.
What I`m proposing is the little more talent for brad in Noah.That`d be the only hold up,Gray didn`t get reupped,Gooden expiring also.
by hudson101 on Nov 22, 2008 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Big difference
Hinrich is $36.5 million worth of overpaid point guard that has trouble keeping up with Beno Udrih statistically, while Noah is the guy that they spent their #9 pick on a year ago and they are a long way from giving up on him. Your definition of “a little more talent” is still the ass end of our bench.
As I said, your deal is fine by me. But I’m betting that it would get shouted down pretty good at BAB, primarily because the core of the deal is Miller for Noah.
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by section214 on Nov 22, 2008 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hughes not Hinrich
I knew Noah would be sticking Point, which iis why I first suggested Tyrus but he wasn`t good enough.
by hudson101 on Nov 22, 2008 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My turn, my turn!
What about Miller, K9, and the Rockets pick for Gooden and Hughes?
The Kings give Shawes the starting spot that he seems to desperately want (and maybe deserve), without losing frontcourt depth. And they pick up Hughes who, while seriously overpaid, gives them another quality vet who is serviceable at both PG and SG, a strong defender, and a good athlete (shades of Doug Christie). I know Hughes doesn’t fit the Petrie mold as a shooter and Christie never made $13M, but I think his skill-set is one that could really help the Kings. And the salary difference is basically negligible this year, with Hughes making about $1.4M more than Brad in 2009 and Gooden coming off the books this offseason.
For the Bulls’ part, they get the upgrade from Gooden to Miller without any effect on their 2008 overall salary and a draft pick that will play for an amount that will take the sting out of paying K9 $8.5M. And their biggest loss is Hughes, who has become a fringe player there (despite his nice performance against the Dubs last night with Hinrich and Deng out).
To sum up:
Kings get two solid (if unspectacular) vets who could potentially figure into the team’s future as strong bench contributors if resigned at their true values AND no K9 in 2009.
Bulls get a very good offensive center and a first rounder.
by furious.d on Nov 22, 2008 5:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
NO thanks
Only way I do that deal is if it’s straight up, if I even do that.
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by pookeyguru on Nov 22, 2008 10:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SF?
How about Miller & Salmons For Deng & Gooden from CHI.
then
Jackson & Williams & Douby for H.Armstrong & M. James & R.Butler from N.O.
then
Moore for Redick & Cook from ORL.
then we look like
Udrih Brown James
Martin Garcia Redick
Deng Green Butler
J.T. Gooden K.Thomas
Hawes Armstrong Cook
by hudson101 on Nov 22, 2008 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
that the Bulls would part with Deng.
I like your ideas as a Kings fan, but as an avid Blog-A-Bull reader (the Bulls have always been my favorite east cost team, dating back to Norm Van Lier/Jerry Sloan/Bob Love/Chet Walker), I just don’t see a deal that 15% of them would like. Of course, Paxson is probably not a BAB subscriber, so who knows?
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by section214 on Nov 23, 2008 8:13 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Right again!
After reading more ,you`re right I doubt they`d part w/ Deng ever.Noc,Gooden,Hughes,Hinrich & maybe Tyrus and less Noah,are the players they want out.
by hudson101 on Nov 23, 2008 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And with good reason too
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 23, 2008 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Still There 214?
What do you(& in your opinion,BAB) think of
Miller & Moore For Hughes & Thomas & Gray ?
We`d take on 288,000,so everyone stays under LUXTAX.
by hudson101 on Nov 23, 2008 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm OK with this deal
Thomas could be nice in the rotation with Hawes and Thompson. Like your other deals, I like it from the Kings side.
I’m just not sure that Chicago is to the point yet where they would be willing to give up Noah or Thomas for Miller. Maybe if they’re fighting for playoff position come the trade deadline, and Noah has proven himself to the point that it makes Thomas expendable in their eyes.
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by section214 on Nov 23, 2008 11:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
BAB
Just posted it in BAB to see if they liked the idea.Find out tommorow ,doubt they`ll care at 1:15 Sun.night.
by hudson101 on Nov 23, 2008 11:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They like!
Throw in a 2nd rounder & it`s done.
by hudson101 on Nov 24, 2008 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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