Blazers and Grizzlies swapping Outlaw and Conley?
I think this is quite interesting in terms of pookey's proposal some time ago (here) and also in terms of mentioned Portland's interest in Mike Bibby.
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Ummm Wojnarowski said
Conley might be moving to the Blazers. I think Memphis & Portland are talking, and Portland is doing the urging end of the deal. I’ll be surprised that Outlaw & Rodriguez are enough to get that deal done from Memphis end.
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According to the link
Pritchard is actually the one hesitant about the deal while Grizzlies being the instigator. It seems to me this might mean either a) Grizzlies wanting to give away Mike Conley (and Warrick with Crittenton) or b) Grizzlies wanting another athletic, 3-point shooting, swingman, who is also a not so bad defender by the way (which gives me a less sense with a focus on Gay they have).
As the first option seems to be more probable, I agree with you second comment that it might be a nice time to have a shot at Conley (through several of alternatives mentioned in the first link and with all love I have for Beno)
by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Nov 29, 2008 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
Ultimately KFfCE
I think the biggest thing is what the Kings are willing to deal for Conley. Are they willing to deal their 1st rounder next season to get him? Would they be willing to take Jaric (albeit giving up Kenny Thomas to do so), and something like that?
Or, maybe it’s time to think an alternate trade that works something like this: Antoine Walker, Marko Jaric, Mike Conley to the Kings for Kenny Thomas, Mikki Moore, Beno Udrih and the 2009 1st rounder. That would allow the Grizz to deal away the stink pot of Walker away, and get away from Jaric’s contract, while taking on roughly the same amount of money this season anyway. I think the question is whether they could live with Beno for the next 4 years, and the chance of getting another 1st round pick next season along with their own to keep the rebuild of the team. I’m not sure it would work, but then again, who knows what the Grizzlies will do with Conley as long as Mayo is around.
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Also people
Don’t try this on the trade machine. It won’t work because Beno can’t be moved until Dec 15th as per the rules of the CBA. Thankfully ESPN’s trade machine won’t even let you do it, but I’ve crunched the numbers (I looked at them), and knowing the rules for completing this trade, it will work under the salary cap.
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For those skeptical here would be the #'s to crunch
Memphis is sending out 19, 257, 940 in salary. Sacramento would be sending out 19 779 700 in salary.. The rules of doing a trade if 2 teams are over the cap (only Sacramento is, but it would only matter if the Kings were sending out significantly more salary than Memphis in this case), are that the players salaries sent out must be within 125% of each other + 100K. (A Good example of this is Allen Iverson trade. But basically what it means that if Sacramento Sends a 10 million player out, for instance, they only have to receive a “minimum” of 7.5 million back in the same deal.)
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an alternative:
Mem to Sac – Walker, Jaric, Conley
Sac to Mem – Udrih, Thomas
Sac to NOH – Moore
NOH to Mem – R. Butler, Armstrong
This should work through the salary cap (as soon as Beno will be available). What this means for the teams:
Memphis – getting rid of contracts of unplayable Walker and Jaric and lose Conley who does not seem to be used at the level he is supposed here. Instead, they receive a solid pointguard and a solid swingman, a horrible contract of Thomas (still better thatn Walker’s though) and a potential backup in Armstrong (not that they do not have enough of them).
NOH – they will get an enthusiastic veteran PF (their weakest point of the bench perhaps) with some playoff experiences, but, mainly, with a big heart. They get rid of their non-performing back-up big man along with a potential starter at 2 (still, Butler is a solid back-up at best).
SAC – getting a potential pg of the future along with two horrible contracts lasting beyond 2010 (to be honest, I am not sure what buyouts can and cannot resolve). They will get rid of Thomas’s contract and the departure of Moore would clear the space for JT and Spencer. The only question from the sac’s side is in my view whether those two contracts can be cleared before 2010.
In that case, the only team who might be not satisfied enought is NOH, in this case I would suggest to add Quinton Ross as a piece of trade (Memphis would basically swap him for Butler and the benefit of the departing contract is simply huge making them signicicant free-agency player in both 2009 and 2010). I don’t know whether this would work, though.
On Sacramento’s part, there is one more benefit, particularly in terms of playing time as neither Walker nor Jaric would perhaps claim for the roster spot. That gives three big men (Miller, Hawes, Thompson) and one back-up in Shelden as a main rotation.
by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Nov 29, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
an update
I am not sure whether there is a player or team option on Walker this year. If latter, I think, let’s do it, even in the case that Jaric’s contract would take beyond 2010 (with Conley and two first round’s picks in 2009 remaining).
by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Nov 29, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
There is a team option
Which is why I mentioned it. I think it’s a wash really for both Memphis and Sac. The question I think beyond this season is how much the draft pick would factor into this deal for the Grizzlies. Beno is signed for 3 seasons, and with a player option/eto for the 4th after that. In otherwords, Beno would be locked up for the next 4 years to play alongside Mayo. That might be a significant factor as I can’t imagine the Grizz becoming major players in the 2010 sweepstakes.
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Or why I mentioned Walker I mean
He’s an expiring contract whom the Kings could flip for something else I suppose. I’ not really sure what though to be honest. Walker has next to none trade value.
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Having
an expiring contract in Walker and a pg in Conley, for Beno, Thomas and Moore is ok with me (while keeping a probably very high 2009 pick, though having Jaric for three years). I suppose there is even no need to trade Walker, maybe let’s rather try to take a look at 2009 free agents and combine them with draft picks. As we discussed it many times, the 2010 year might not bring a franchise player to Sacramento
by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Nov 29, 2008 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
This will actually help the Kings do that KFfCE
There is less money on the table for the Kings after the season, and the Grizz will I believe take on less money overall in this deal too. Especially if they signed Conley to a big extension while he wasn’t productive.
The only qualm is I really have with this type of deal is how the Kings protect the pick. i’m not sure the Kings should give up a lottery pick the next 2 years for this deal to make Memphis do this. Other than that, I’m happy with the idea that this could work. Although, I’m not sure Memphis would do it because of the past (Bibby for Jwill deal).
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I am not sure if I made myself clear
I supposed no pick involved (that’s why to include NOH, give them Moore and let them bring Butler and Armstrong to Memphis). There’s a question then whether Memphis would take it, that’s where Butler might be a good piece, or, at worse, add the Houston’s pick. (Still, it seems Grizzlies would not be against losing Conley)
by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Nov 29, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
That's fair
I’m just not sure that the Hornets would do that trade, unless they think giving up Rasual Butler is worth it.
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Interesting that someone (I forget who)
Said that Portland has a greater shot at getting Conley. If they really want a PG, whose available, then I would think Beno would be a much greater fit than Rodriguez in Memphis’ system going forward. I stand by I think the Kings would be wise to go after Conley because he’s a perfect fit moving forward as the Kings totally rebuild this team.
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I was that someone
I used the simple math of Greg Oden/Mike Conley having the same agent (Mike Conley, Sr.) + Steve Blake as your starting PG (he doesn’t get to play against Beno every night and does not always look that good) + Portland having younger/cheaper/more attractive trade pieces than us = potential trade partner.
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Yeah I realized afterwards you were the one who said it (sorry)
Umm, here’s what Wojnarowski said drove the deal:
Outlaw, 24, and Conley, 21, are both represented by agent Bill Duffy, and a source said that he’s been involved in the discussions
That I think had a bigger deal in why Wojnarowski said anything. Warick wants out, and Outlaw would like to make a bigger impact if he could..
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Also Dave had something to say that turned the deal down essentially
I thought it was informative, but then again, I just don’t think Portland and Memphis works as partners. I just don’t see why the Blazers really need Conley. Having said that, I really urge you to read Dave’s piece.
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Conley is not represented by his dad?
Thats strange. Greg Oden is.
by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 1, 2008 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
Bad moment for Wojnarowski
Conley is indeed represented by his father, and in fact, Wojnarowski got Conley mixed up with Warick (who is represented by Duffy.)
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If you scroll about a 1/4 way down on the link
You’ll see where DX has Duffy listed as Warick’s agent.
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