A fatal flaw in Reggie's reasoning
I want to give Reggie time. I want to preach patience. I want everyone to understand that I'm not thrilled that the Kings got blown out and lost the game in 1 qtr, with Paul Millsap hardly doing diddly shit. (Interesting premise some SLC Dunk posters had about re-signing Millsap instead of Boozer.) I suggest you read it over, along with the article that spurred the talk. But if that doesn't juice you, this quote should:
For now, Jazz management might consider dubbing Millsap the "Bargain from the Bayou." This season he is only making $797,581, which is the NBA equivalent of a Fortune 500 CEO earning about $10 an hour.
Either way, I just want to get the disclaimer out that I don't blame Reggie for anything, except what I want to talk about with regards to a certain "fatal flaw". I want to make this clear, as I'm still in Reggie's corner, and do not want this to be taken as anything else except a vote of un-confidence with regards to Spider Head.
The NBA's best teams tend to have something in common. And it's not usually defense, although that usually plays a part of it too. (I think that's overrated, and when I come up with time in the future, I want to write about this. Hopefully by Xmas I'll have something up.) They all play inside & out. Houston does it, although not always effectively as Grunge Dave will point out. We all know LA does it, and largely with multiple options at that. (You don't lose a single game through 14 games for a reason. You're really really good.) Orlando plays inside out, and while they don't always have effective guard play, or more accurately elite Guard play, what they do have is inside & out options. Which brings me to the Kings. They don't have inside options when Martin is out of the game, and Salmons isn't taking the ball to the rack. They just don't, for whatever reason, and the problem last night in the 3rd (read TZ's play by play, it's so enlightening, and I didn't watch the game, although going through the play by play of last night's game would have told me more than I would have cared to know by watching it), greatly highlighted a major issue. However, it almost seems forgotten that the Kings had to get back in the game by the 2nd qtr. That is equally worth noting, although focusing on the awful 3rd qtr is a great start, as TZ already did, not to mention going through the horror of watching those plays multiple times, I think it's worth remembering how the Kings got back into the game as well.
4:11 Spencer Hawes enters the game for Mikki Moore (Kings are down 19-16 at this point)--also Bobby Brown enters for Beno Udrih
For most of the next 12 mins, essentially the Kings treaded water, reaching a low of being down 8 pts at the 9:22 mark of the 2nd qtr, but then after an offensive rebound by B-Jax, Salmons made a 3 bringing the Kings to 35-30 at the 8:47 mark. The Kings then push the deficit down to 3, and then the Jazz push it back to 5. They do this a couple of times for the rest of the 2nd qtr, until about a 1:10 left in the 2nd qtr, the Kings get within 4. Salmons hits a J, and then makes a layup with 24 secs left, and Deron Williams misses a 25 ft shot at the buzzer. What am I getting at? The Kings in the 3rd qtr, as TZ pointed out so well, didn't get within 10 feet of the basket. That makes it hard to get inside and A, get FT's as TZ pointed out, and B, make it hard for Utah, an average defensive team, to not space the court. The Kings and Jazz are both offensive teams that do their best work on that end. What's the difference between the 2? The Jazz work to run their sets better, and it results in far better shots. (Also having Millsap and Boozer inside doesn't hurt matters. Neither does having Deron Williams. But I've regressed as I've done for the billionth time.) The point is that the KIngs need to pair inside players with players who play outside, and if Reggie isn't willing to do that, I don't care who is coaching this team, they won't get shit at a sewer giveaway. This team's effort was poor, and as B-Jax said in the interview that made the Bee today, this team doesn't need leadership. He said it best:
"Nobody should question our leadership," Jackson said. "You should question our effort when we step out on the court, but don't question our leadership. Our leadership is fine. … "
Bobby had a better quote that didn't make the print copy of the paper, but got posted on the blog (how much better has the Bee's coverage been with that?) afterwards. I thought it was more telling. Here it is:
"Everybody uses the excuse, 'We ain't healthy, we ain't full strength,' but what's healthy got to do with effort?" Jackson began as he got dressed. "What's healthy got to do with playing defense? We shoot the ball, and everybody wants to (expletive) shoot it and not get back on defense. Nobody wants to take a foul and everybody wants to take a jumpshot. It ain't about leadership. It's about effort and having pride in yourself as an individual and as a basketball player."
I agree with everyone one of Bobby's words, and if there is nothing else Bobby has done, he's shown these young guys what it takes to win games in this league. You have to WIN them. You cannot rely on your talent (Brad Miller I'm talking to you!) to let you win games. Especially on the road vs a team missing one half of it's all-star tandem in Boozer, and especially when his replacement, Paul MIllsap, did not have a strong game. The Kings flat laid down on the road, and Reggie be damned, which he's making himself into a martyr every time he starts Moore out of stubborn pride to boot, not to mention making me wonder how much he really wants a job where the ownership thinks that the young players can lead you to a playoff spot, but whatever, and what's worse, only Bobby Jackson (of the veterans I suppose) realizes why this is a long term problem. Not only that, but it's creating an equally worrisome problem by creating a negative value to Moore/Miller's trade value , and thus Reggie is making it seem more difficult for anyone to want either of these 2 at this point. Miller needs something (Read that link: Clearly Theus is not pleased with Miller before the Utah outing, and I don't think he's going to be any happier after the Utah game, although I didn't see anything that spoke directly about Miller in the game recap or Blog entries) that only the bench guys seem to have on this front line: heart. If this picture doesn't tell the story, you aren't watching this team very carefully, or often.
The Kings are not good enough to win games solely on their talent anymore. Brad Miller needs to step up and realize this, but I fear because he is one of the biggest bitch boy's in all of the NBA, another is Mike Bibby, whom we all know around here that I'm not fond of, is that he can't let go of the fact he isn't on a championship team. I'm almost at the point where I think it would be a detriment to not trade Miller. If he keeps playing the way he did last night, I'm so there.
I believe Reggie has made a mistake by re-insertng MIkki Moore in the starting lineup. He wants to start veterans to make it tougher on the rookie's to help them develop a winning atttiude. But, I fail to see how a rookie develop's a winning attitude when the veterans on this team show such a piss poor attitude that this team is losing games anyway. If Reggie doesn't realize that this team is best when he mixes & matches the young players with the veterans, to the detriment of Mikki Moore and Brad Miller's numbers, whom I don't give a rats ass about anyway, then he's failing this team as a coach. Worse, is the precedent it sets for what happens if Moore is traded before he's put on the bench. PT needs to be rewarded for effort, and for how you fit into this team's objectives, and right now, Moore doesn't fit into any of them. Yes, this team is hurt, but it's not playing up to it's capability when Moore is on the floor because he has no inside presence. This is equally true of Miller, but unlike Moore, he can help this team create offense when playing well. (Which he didn't last night, but whatever.) The point is if Reggie continues with this knuckleheaded notion that how he pairs players isn't more important than whom he starts, John Whisenant will take this team over on an interim basis. And to be quite honest, with the hiring of Jason Levien, I'm starting to wonder if that isn't a bad idea. Because at this point, any coach who pairs Miller and Moore as a frontcourt tandem, particularly with 2 young eager options who are more effective on the whole for a team with no athleticism on the front line, or that isn't over 23 years old I suppose, then that coach needs to find employment somewhere else. Reggie, this has gone on long enough. Stop it.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Denial or Insanity
is when you continue to do the same thing over and over again, and expect the outcome to be different. In Theus’ case it’s stubbordness. He’s a ex-NBA player and he’s trying to show that he still has repect for the vets.
Now in Theus’ defense, he has tried different approaches. Forced to play Hawes at starting center didn’t work out well with 0-4 start. Played JT at the 3, but got burned by almost every SF even an old Grant HIll. Started Greene at the 3 and some 4, and got little or no output from the offense or defense. Tried BJax and Douby at the 2 and got very little offense expecially from the 3pt line. Most recently started Hawes and Miller, but somehow ended up with two 7 footers standing outside the 3 pt line chucking up 3pt shoots and no onw around the basket to rebound. So, I can’t really say that he totally refuses to try something different.
But, as you pointed out, his continued use of Moore and MIller as starters does border on the brink of denial & insanity. Two aging slow footed, vertically challanged, and offensively inept vets, who’s continued play only deminishes their value.
Now, Miller has some value for this team, but based on his performance, he really can’t put out a consistent effort day in and day out for 35min. And, November was a bear with no more than one days rest between games, a lot of traveling, and multiple back to backs. Spenser need to start and if Miller and Spenser do get on the floor together than Miller need to play the PF and let Hawes run the offense. And, Hawes will just have to learn how to stay out of foul trouble and play through it.
Moore has no value what so ever. He has no offense, can’t catch or pass the bball, doesn’t block or even alter shoots, and gets most of his rebounds after the ball hits the floor. Until Theus excepts the fact that Moore is a dettrement to the offense and defense, and only uses him as a backup when everyone else is in foul trouble, Theus’s job and the Kings record are both in jeopardy. In case you haven’t already guessed, if the PF rotation consisted of JT, Miller, & Shelden, I’d be fine with it.
Why Reggie thinks Moore should be the starter is still a mystery. But, one look at the stat shell, and anyone can see that the starting 5 averages less than 60pts and 20 rebounds without Martin. And, it really is stupid to believe that the bench could put up the 40pts and 20 rebounds that this team needs to be competitive in limited minutes.
It’s uncertain whether the two rookies or the aging center can play extended minutes of high caliber play for the rest of the season, but until we try we’ll never know for sure. And, if they can’t then well have to rely of Shelden, Greene, & Moore, but until then I say let the big dogs eat..
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by HighTops on Nov 29, 2008 2:25 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I think it's more important whom Miller & Moore are paired iwth
Spencer & Mikki make a ton more sense, and as you point out, Shelden & Spencer make even MORE sense. I think it’s time that Reggie realize that JT & B52 are a quality tandem. It would get more out of each player than what he’s getting now out of Mikki.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 29, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe with the team at full strength
Yes, with the team playing a hi post offense, I thought that the duo of Miller out hi and JT down low for offensive rebounding worked well. And, Spenser teamed up with Shelden worked well against the bigger centers in the west because Shelden could switch to center on the defensive side and keep Hawes out of foul trouble.
But, without Martin & Garcia’s scoring, the Kings can’t afford Miller and Moore going up against the opponents starters. They average less than 20 ppg and give up way more pts than that by allowing too many easy layups and dunks. I just think that Miller is better suited to play against the other teams backups than their starters.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
by HighTops on Nov 29, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No argument with that
I don’t care whether Spencer starts or whatever, but I care how many total mins he’s logging. I think there is such a thing as too much too soon with him. JT is not someone I worry about that other than hitting the rookie wall which is inevitable. Let it come I say.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 29, 2008 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would start B52 and JT
though JT seems to have hit the rookie wall a bit.
Mikki is just in the way.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2008 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought denial
is where Cleopatra lived…3-4-5…nothing…hello, is this thing on?…What is this, an audience or an oil painting?
Agreed with the vast majority of both pookey’s and HT’s comments, Rec.’s all around!
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by section214 on Nov 29, 2008 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
That comment did deserve a rec.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 29, 2008 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
couple of things
You are accussing the team of Tinman syndrome and I don’t disagree. Two highlights from last nights’ game
1) Cisco Garcia played knowing his numbers would be poor and count against him. Part of this is the luxury of having just signed a contract and part of this is his pulse.
2) BJax making a statement. I like his brass. He has beats and backbone.
As for who starts; part of this, IMO, is NBA culture. Starting is something you earn. He is not benching Brad Miller and he apparently does not like the Ivory Towers scenario at this point. That leaves Jason Thompson as the starting PF and frankly, he has not earned it, yet. By default, that is Mikki. And for the umpteenth time (OMG, I sound like my parents) Mikki is placed in the starting line up by coaches’ choice, not his own.
One caveat to the Starting Five theorum: Don Nelson. The guy would put in Vern Troyer for the mismatch. (and in his system, it would surprise no one if Mini-me scored 20).
by betweentheeyes on Nov 29, 2008 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well in that scenario then
Nobody deserves to start then to be honest with you.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 29, 2008 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you saying Salmons is sporting a Jarvac?
He is playing hard, I am guessing he is a bit in the “be sorry what you wish for” camp about now.
by betweentheeyes on Nov 29, 2008 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it
He’s being eaten by the vacuum of min’s that is currently available? (Is that it?)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 29, 2008 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am asking
if you think Salmons has an artificial heart (sorry if confusing)
by betweentheeyes on Nov 29, 2008 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it would help if I made a somewhat abstract reference
and spelled it correctly – it is Jarvik. All clever points erased, head bowed in shame.
by betweentheeyes on Nov 29, 2008 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Salmons isn't what bothers me
It’s the general suckitude this team has right now.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 29, 2008 11:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Theus needs to sit Mikki more
The more Reggie plays Mikki over Hawes, JT or even Williams the more I lose respect for Reggie as a coach. Lets face it Mikki is not part of the future and the KINGS are losing. So why play Mikki so much? It’s not like Mikki is some defensive specialist who can put the clamps on someone like Artest could, or a rebounding or scoring machine. As a matter of fact he’s ranked as one the worst starting forwards in the game. So I ask why does Reggie start this guy over Hawes, JT or Williams? Do you think a vetern coach such as Adelman, Jackson, Pop or Sloan would start Mikki over Hawes or JT? I don’t think so.
by AyyJude on Nov 30, 2008 1:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
No I doubt it
They do play quality young players consistently.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2008 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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