Game #3: Kings at 76ers
by Tom Ziller on Nov 3, 2008 3:52 PM PST
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PrintSacramento Kings at Philadelphia 76ers, Nov 3, 2008 4:00 PM PST
(These early games are logistical nightmares. Who will think of the West Coast bloggers?????)
Liberty Ballers has your take from the Philly side. You have your take from the Sacramento side.
First win? What do you think?
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Prediction
I have a feeling in my gut that the Kings are actually going to pull out a win tonight. I hope I’m right and it’s not just the hot pocket talking.
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Actually TZ
I really think it’s going to happen when Brad comes back but I’m not voting against our guys and if they win tonight away in Philly or if they win at home on Wednesday I’m going to be a happy Kings fan. The reason I think it’s going to take Brad to get us a win is that in spite of JT’s remarkable first 3 games (and Spencer too) and in spite of Speedracers 31 points on Saturday I think it’s going to take Miller to get this group playing like a team. Until Beno steps up and starts leading this team as opposed to just playing decent or unless Kevin’s leadership mojo gets fedexed to him by David Thorpe I believe we need some vetern leadership and until someone proves me wrong I still think we really need Brad.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Go Kings!
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Nice strong move
Kevin.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
too many
sixer offensive boards.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Like that
2 shots a dunk and a lay in.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
2 fouls on Hawes
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
A few
Rider fans in attendance.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Why not?
Every all-star is granted a bad game or two. I say he’s back and I say my fantasy team wins its head-to-head match up thanks to Speed this week! Go Speed go!
I’m crossing my finger the Hater doesn’t show up tonight.
To admit you're a Laker fan is to admit you don't know anything about basketball.
by WaymanChilcutt on Nov 3, 2008 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Can't buy a foul call
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
I've been noticing that too
I guess it’s not just me but iso far t’s been harder for K-Mart to get calls, right?
JT is getting any fouls called for him yet
Sheldon and K9 are good for 6 fouls each. Just stand in mid/low post and foul the guy with the ball
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Foul them before they shoot
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Hawes and Moore
both out with 2 fouls. Down 12 late 1st Q
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Good. That means JT gets loads of playing time tonight!
Hopefully this happens once every few weeks so JT shows Theus how valuable he is.
To admit you're a Laker fan is to admit you don't know anything about basketball.
by WaymanChilcutt on Nov 3, 2008 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
Go Kings!
Gonna go watch the game. Good posts, guys.
To admit you're a Laker fan is to admit you don't know anything about basketball.
Defense
They have 33 points so far in the first quarter, our defense has been horrendous so far this year.
Not a good 1st Q down 35-23
Out rebounded 11-4 and Philly shooting 71%
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Nice drive by
Quincy, but a better block by Speights
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
And an unforgivable
miss on the layup next time down
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2008 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
ouch
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
nice hand to the face by sheldon
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
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That was a stupid pass
Beno
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Hawes now 4-5 from 3
on the season. That’s scary.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
So long as
he doesn’t fall too in love with the shot. Until then it’s scary good.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2008 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Guess
anyone can make wide-open jumpers.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2008 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
Nice dish
Salmons to Hawes.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
FTs
17 FTs for Philly – 4 for us. We weren’t getting calls early and started settling for jumpers.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2008 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Looks like another loss
0-4
These guys look incapable of playing defense. And they just unloaded their best defender.
If Yahoo's Box Score
is correct: Moore has 0 points and 0 boards on 16:24
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Yeah
but that inbound pass won’t help.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2008 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
Down 20
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
maybe they are
Could they be sandbagging for a good lotto pick already? :)
I'm not feeling kayte, this game is over
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
that means I don't believe what she's saying
I always feel good looking at her
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Here's something to feel good about
JT is off to a good start and Anthony Randolph the “star” the dubs drafted has yet to play a minute and looks like he’s off to d – league. Nice halftime feature, good kid
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
how many points have we lost off of TO's?
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Here come
JT and Shelden.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Mikki and Spence going out
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2008 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
One player can't be this bad.
Beno has to be one of the 10 worst starters in the NBA right now. He’s been a total disaster so far; it has to get better right?
right?
Who's the worst?
I nominate Mikki.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2008 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
Mikki is above and beyond the worst starter
in the NBA.
Can we start Jason now?
BOOK IT!
Beno's ceiling....
12 pts, 5 ast, net negative as a starter. He’s Earl Watson with a 33 million contract.
Too Ugly
Are we worse than the Knicks?
Kings down 29
BOOK IT!
I want to see
what we look like with Miller and Cisco back before I go that far.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2008 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
I don't want to see Greene
Unless we’re blowing opponents out!
Or he deserves to be part of the rotation.
I want us to play to win. F*ck developing young players
BOOK IT!
That's too strong
But I want winning to be priority
BOOK IT!
Martin has really disappeared
and 0 Reb 0 Ast 3 TO is not good.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Bobby Brown sighting
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
JT
getting good reviews by the Philly announcers.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Yeah, they get old really
fast eh?
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2008 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
WTF
Salmons, you have two wide open guys at the 3 point line and you decide to dribble into the double team and walk to boot.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
It's been an ugly
start to the season. Though I think it was pretty ugly early last season too. JT and Hawes have both been better than anything I hoped for.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2008 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
JT coast to coast
gets to the line
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
We only gave up 25 that quarter
big improvement over 35 and 33. Course we only scored 17.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
Hey
Do u know why NBATV is blacked out?
BOOK IT!
Which game is that?
Dallas – Cleveland? I can watch it.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2008 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
Not for me
Are you in Germany? Maybe they are blacking out Dirk
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2008 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
Oh
Not sure how the blackout rules work. I don’t think any games get blacked out internationally.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2008 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
All of the games
have been available so far.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2008 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure about ESPN though
But I watched a couple of TNT games last week.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 3, 2008 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think so
We sucked on the road.
If we do this at Arco then… OH MY GOODNESS!
BOOK IT!
Ugh
4-1 break and Brown passes it off JT’s shin.
Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott
JT!!!
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
I know what Reggie said
but does he start MMoore on Weds?
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
kingme you are going to have a long season
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Yet again, Kevin Martin silences
the critics.
I liked his effort tonight. It must have been pretty tough to stay out of the way of every single rebound tonight. 32 minutes and 0 rebounds. Throw that in with his 1 assist and were talking solid numbers.
This is just for you FSN
Me and my homies we tighter than a glove
Chop a lot of game is how we do it at the Playaz Club
Check the fool or kick it in the tub
Cuz we kick much ass at the Playaz Club
I got a hoe named Real de Real
She got a buddy named SP 12 now you know the deal
We getz freaky in the studio late night
That’s why the beats that you hear are comin real tight
Somethin to roll to somethin to stroll to
If you’s a playa in the game this will hold you
Mo money mo money for the bank roll
Stick to the script don’t slip in the nine-fo
A lot of fools put salt in the game
Till these women get the notion that they runnin the game huh
I run my own and I’m my own self person
No respect make the situation worse then
Fillmoe, H.P., and Sunnydale
There’s a playaz club everywhere you dwell
Lakeview, P.H., and Army Street
A different part of town a different kind of freak
I just wiggle my toes on a mink rug
And press play on the remote at the playaz club
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
I used to bump this song back in the day
but what about it?
by Fire Stern Now! on Nov 4, 2008 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
Nuthin
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
so glad you showed you showed up, where were you saturday?
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
My take on the game...
Shock and Hawes were great, but the rest of the team seemed a bit disfunctional. On offense, the Kings are turnover prone and on defense, there’s no communication.
It was also clearly evident the void that Artest left. How in the hell can a team shoot .769% from the 3 point line??? That’s insane. Brand and Dalembert didn’t have monster numbers down on the post, so it leads me to believe that the Kings have no perimeter defense.
The amount of turnovers makes me believe that there’s no real leadership on the Kings. It almost looks like everyone’s just running around, lost on offense. So, that problem clearly lies with our PG, Udrih. PGs facilitate the offense and set everything up. Udrih or Brown needs to step it up, big-time or else we’ll see a whole lot more of this.
I agree with you cloudy
and I think when brad returns it should be better. Something like 60% of the offense goes through him and we’ll see more leadership when he gets back. It wasn’t just the TO’s, philly scored on at least 75% of them, easy baskets. Beno has to play better and if not we need a pg who can.
I saw a bunch of guys out there playing their own game not much teamwork, you’re right about the communication. Kmartin is not playing well right now. Even when he scored 31 on Saturday the team wasn’t engaged around him. It’s a tough way to start the season but if we play like this at home it’s really going to be tough.
"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley
Thoughts
- Mikki’s hands need to be removed and replaced with crab claws, like tomorrow
- Bobby Jackson was finished in the pre-season
- Kevin Martin can’t score the ball if he doesn’t get the ball
- John Salmons is John Salmons
- Spencer Hawes best move was the deke & drop step on Dalembert. Unfortunately it was the offensive highlight of the whole game for the Kings
- I’m not sure what was worse: The Kings Offense or Defense
- Jason Thompson is either going to be very very good or great—I’m just not sure which yet
- Donte Greene’s stint on the inactive list was very disappointing
- More Bobby Brown is needed
- Reggie Theus’ best coaching move was to take Mikki Moore out of the game with 10 mins left in the 3rd
- Spitfire Grill (2214 4th ave Seattle) is a cool place to catch a game
- If you don’t get drunk on the Kings, then drink beer, cuz this team is too much for the eyes right now
- I’m going to take my own advice and dream of Audrey Hepburn
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Nov 3, 2008 7:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Lots of splinters in his ass.
The back court is killing this team right now. Beno is a turnover machine, Martin is struggling in his new role, Salmons is killing the flow, Bobby Jackson is beyond done, and Douby is not an NBA player. I can’t wait for Garcia to come back and Bobby Brown to get his shot.
Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.
Well I disagree about the Doubster
But other than that, I agree with almost all of that. I think some of Martin’s struggles are his, but some of his struggles are bi-products of the other problems this team has at the moment.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
My views
the good
now for the bad:
Reggie may be the nicest person in the world but he is not an NBA coach. end of story, period let him finish the year then hire a real coach.
Beno is bad, really bad.
The team runs an offense that is about at the 8th grade level
There is no, NO, NO concept of defense. I mean NO defense. They don’t stop the ball, they don’t deney anything they don’t get “in” to the ball handler. JUST NO defense.
Mikki Less does nothing.
The Kings never look to get out and run could be because of the lack of PG
The Very good
Jt actually shot 8-10 tonight his two 3pt attempts were at the end of quarters
Rider, Mt Laurel (JT’s High school) and the area did a wonderful job showing their love tonight there were only about 8k there and 2k were there for JT. It was great hearing the Jason Thompson chants.
by Beagle12 on Nov 3, 2008 8:44 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
For the insightful commentary on the good parts of the game and the awesome avatar.
Shut up and Coach
Beno
actually made some nice buckets when the Kings still had a chance to make it a game. He just isn’t a point guard. He’s Salmons minus a few inches of height and facial hair.
Which is why
he should be a solid all-purpose backup guard, not a starting PG. He’s Antonio Daniels.
Antonio Daniels
Is athletic and can play defense. Beno is more like Mike Bibby than either of those two guys.
Shut up and Coach
Probably true
The only thing that I would say separates Beno from being a B- version of Bibby is that, once upon a time, Bibby had a type of handles that doesn’t seem to be a part of Beno’s game at all. Remember when Bibby would split a seemingly perfect doubleteam and drop the ball to Vlade for a layup? At his best, Bibby used his ballhandling to get teammates the kind of easy buckets that an elite PG creates, despite lacking great passing skills.
IMO
How about this
If we’re losing this badly at home we start a “RUBIO” chant. It’ll at least make us feel better.
Kevin Martin, line 1 holding for you. Your destiny is calling. - Section214
by vfettke on Nov 3, 2008 10:32 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
He's two freakin yrs away from NBA eligibility!
Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !
by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2008 2:49 AM PST up reply actions
No he's elgible for 2009 draft
You have to turn 19 in the calender year of the draft is held, ie 2009 he has turn Read this so you can stop misquoting bad information. Then read DX’s take on his age, and the day Rubio was born.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Argh (correction)
You have to turn 19 in the calender year of the draft is held, ie he would have to be born in 1990 or later to be eligible.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
That's odd...
Draft Express has him listed for the 2009 draft. They’re usually pretty on top of this type of stuff. What a huge oversight on their part.
Kevin Martin, line 1 holding for you. Your destiny is calling. - Section214
Draft Express does have him listed
Because he’s eligible!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Dude!
sarcasm. I figured you of all people would catch on
Kevin Martin, line 1 holding for you. Your destiny is calling. - Section214
I got the sarcasm vfettke
I’m just trying to nip this in the bud. Bill Simmons is saying that Rubio will come out in the 2010 ddraft too, but that will be Rubio’s choice, and not the rules dictating it.
(That was very funny btw vf.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Totally...
Next year’s draft is going to be huge if this keeps up. Kings end up with a pick in the 1 to 5 range. They’d also have the Rockets’ pick (in the mid 20’s) and a second round pick in the 30 to 35 range.
…And after we pick up Rubio, it’ll be time to sign LeBron in the next offseason after that. :)
PG – Rubio
SG – Martin
SF – LeBron
PF – JT
C – Hawes
Yeah yeah I know it’s way way too early to be talking about this stuff…but that lineup makes me drool…
There’s no way LeBron will come to Sacramento; he’ll sign in a large city with a big market. He’s getting the max no matter where he lands.
He'll sign here...
when the Maloofs give him the top floor of the Palms
Kevin Martin, line 1 holding for you. Your destiny is calling. - Section214
Bill Simmons
Published a rumor that LeBron gets a $50 million bonus for joining a New York or LA team. He isn’t coming to Sacramento.
Shut up and Coach
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