Marion for Brad Miller from Hoopsworld

This would be a damn good trade

B52 plus Sheldon & Doctor Quincy for Marion…At least we get more minutes for Hawes & JT34.

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by The King Lebron on Dec 1, 2008 7:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I like this deal only

if K9(woof!) is part of the deal, or a draft pick is coming the Kings’ way. Otherwise, all you’re doing is shedding Miller’s contract a year early in exchange for a guy that is going to be a free agent and is eventually going to get paid way too much for his talent level. It does give you some cap space for next year, but Miller can still be dealt at the trade deadline or in the off season.

And for what it’s worth, it sends Salmons to the bench, unless Marion gets time at the 4.

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by section214 on Dec 1, 2008 8:17 AM PST reply actions 1 recs

Could be K9

If this deal happens Mia will try to give us 3 for 2 players ,so they can open a roster spot for Starbury.So maybe something like Miller & K9 for Marion,J.Maglorie & (S.Livingston or C.Quinn).

by hudson101 on Dec 1, 2008 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know

I doubt K9 goes in the deal, but you never know, I suppose (doesn’t hurt their 2010 D-Wade capspace).

Also, that capspace could be a Boozer-type player in 2009, a year before everyone else is making runs at FAs (which could be as smart as trading for a player). Either way you look at it, the 2010 FA Class has far too many suitors for the small market/rebuilding teams to grab a franchise/impact FA, so making a move against the grain would likely net this team the biggest bang for their buck.

You also forgot a third option, re-trading Marion for prospects/picks.

Sorry if this isn’t very well thought-out, I’m heading out for lunch so I might already be a little “out to lunch”.

by smgmatt on Dec 1, 2008 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i like that last idea

ideally, we could get a pick out of Miami. if we could retrade Marion to one of those fringe teams who need a star to rent to push them over the top and get another pick or prospect out of it that would be great.

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by vfettke on Dec 1, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

We could get a pick

If we did Marion for Marbury and 1st round pick and then promptly banish Marbury.

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by kingme18 on Dec 1, 2008 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Do a three teamer

Miller and Moore to Miami

Marbury and 1st round pick to Sacramento

Marion to New York

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Dec 1, 2008 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

A thought there

though I think ts a mistaketo lose both Miller and MM

But D’antoni never wants to see Marion again either, just like Marbury, so why would he do it?

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2008 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I've heard otherwise

I’ve heard D’Antoni would like Marion back.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 11:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Marion is a great PF for D'Antoni

The big problem is that leaves us with a front court rotation of Hawes, Thompson, Williams, and shudder K9

How about we don’t take NY’s pick but send them one of ours and get David Lee? Maybe send them Donte to sweeten the deal? Just a suggestion… or a pipe dream

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by vfettke on Dec 2, 2008 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Rather have Donte personally

He’s younger & cheaper for the next 3 years. David Lee will be far more expensive. Plus Donte’s ours. Lee will take some work to get out of NYC.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 2, 2008 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd do it

… without anything extra from MIA. I argued previously for keeping Miller if it’s just a cap move, but a) the Kings suck, b) it moves Moore to the bench, c) Hawes has been good enough to start, and d) the 2010 pool is way overheated, so jumping in a year early as teams might seek to dump big ’11-12-13 contracts would be neat.

by Ziller on Dec 1, 2008 11:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I agree

Additionally you can play this team up tempo and move Marion to the PF while you’re at it. So, yeah I ’d totally do this deal.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Completely agree

If the team is going to stink with or without him, I’d rather get the cap space early

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by otis29 on Dec 1, 2008 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I despise Shawn Marion

and hope to never, ever see him in a Kings jersey.

He was a cnacer in the locker room on a PHX team that briefly had a chance to go all the way. If a cancer inthat situation – when would he be good?

thats all I have to say on this though I think MM, not BMiller is the player thats ‘in the way’.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Strategy

TZ, I agree with the strategy that you’re suggesting, but for some reason I can’t see it happening. I like the idea of picking up quality players when others are trying to shed contracts. But the contracts being shedded will likely be guys who are overpaid. Perhaps a gem or two is out there, but do we want to count on that?

I also question bringing in Marion. I like his game, and I think it woulf fit well with the up-tempo style that suits this team. But he’s a headcase (flashbacks to one Mr. Artest). And I wouldn’t want to pay him what it would take to keep him around past ‘09. And if he’s not a long-term piece, what’s the point? All we’d be doing is giving ourselves a worse draft pick, but still miss the playoffs.

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by Exhibit G on Dec 1, 2008 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree about the better draft pick

He’s just not that good to change the fortunes. See Miami: 08-09

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Webber

This is how Webber was acquired: someone else didn’t want their superstar. I’m betting there will be one or two on the market next summer. This isn’t to say Petrie can get one, of course. But with cap space, the chance of yanking one is better.

by Ziller on Dec 1, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

As I side, I agree with the strategy overall. But I have reservations. But, as the signature says, we must never forget that I am an idiot.

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by Exhibit G on Dec 1, 2008 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

We gonna trade our two guard to get this Webber-reincarnate?

Mitch was still balling when that trade was made so its not like we got CWebb for free although it did prove to be a wise trade there was talent on each side of that trade. Who would you be willing to give up? Who’s off limits, anyone? Or are you looking for a camby for the exchange of second round picks type deal? Or am i misunderstanding and do you mean in free agency, like a Carlos Boozer.

by passionforPERPS on Dec 1, 2008 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Though lietothegirls makes a good point about Marion being a cancer, but he’s gone in April anyway. The Kings are so bad right now that it doesn’t matter if Miller is here or not, so you might as well shed his salary.

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by Carl on Dec 1, 2008 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Of course you make this deal

Except that a straight Brad-for-Marion deal doesn’t work capwise. I would think a realistic deal is Brad and B-Jax for Marion and a pick. That way, Miami gets short-term help for their PG and big man situations, and still gets a sliver of offseason cap relief. The Kings either get an All-Star in Marion, or they get 2009 cap relief, so they can cherrypick other teams heading ass-first into the 2010 clusterf***.

by BarnesyardSportsManagement on Dec 1, 2008 11:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I've said it plenty of times...

I cannot stand Shawn Marion. He’s an egotistical little douche.

However, and it hurts my physically to say this, I would do this deal. It puts Spencer in the starting lineup where he should be. It puts Moore on the bench as Marion should be our starting 4. But, who comes off the bench behind Marion, JT or Mikki? I’d assume that Mikki becomes Spence’s backup and JT is Marion’s, unless Theus really fucks up and starts Mikki at center.

I don’t think this works cap space wise so hopefully we could throw in some filler and receive a draft pick or prospect in return.

My head hurts thinking about this. I really despise Shawn Marion. He completely ruined the second most entertaining team of the past decade by being a crybaby. But he’s good and has a huge expiring contract. Plus, can you imagine the halftime show involving him and Shelden as battering rams running full bore at eachother?

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by vfettke on Dec 1, 2008 11:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

in that case

Does Mikki become the spare piece that accompanies B-52 in the trade?

by misterbrister on Dec 1, 2008 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

hopefully

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by vfettke on Dec 1, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I was going to say

Brad Mikki and QD for Marion.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

But It'll probably have to be Brad Baby & Mikki for Marion

Only because Miami won’t go over the lux tax to do this deal.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

But I'd stilll do that because as long as the Kings don't go over the lux tax

What’s the big deal to clear cap room? (Especially that much of it.)

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

As long as there is a pick

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by vfettke on Dec 1, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That ain't happening

NO matter how much any of us wants it.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

How about this?

Miller/Moore/Rox pick for Marion/Miami’s pick (top 3 protected)

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by vfettke on Dec 1, 2008 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

They'll never go for it

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Damn you Pookey!

don’t ruin this for me. i’m really trying to be supportive of this idea despite my severe hatred for Shawn Marion

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by vfettke on Dec 1, 2008 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Although

the idea of retrading him later to a team in need of a boost is really growing on me. That’s probably where we get another pick.

Imagining Petrie with 3 first round picks is making me drool.

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by vfettke on Dec 1, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't really want that either

I mean, I’m just happy getting these kids time. I’m really thinking you don’t understand the power of having cap space in 2009. I thought TZ nailed it which is why I didn’t give a long winded too long drawn out statement why this is not such a bad idea. In the short term? It’s okay I guess. In the long term? It’s awesome for cap space. And perhaps getting Marion in a trade before the deadline is always possible too.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Apparently

I don’t understand the power of cap space in ’09. Please explain in 1000 words or less

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by vfettke on Dec 1, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Very easy

The Kings have a much better chance to be a player with 2 or 3 teams, as opposed to 15 loading up for Bron/Wade/Bosh sweepstakes that the Kings aren’t even likely to get a sniff of. Why not enter the 2009 sweepstakes for a quality player?

The Grizz will have cap space (I Know that cuz they got it now, and probably won’t use it unless they can get a mega FA to come.)

Other teams haven’t fully committed to certain things yet, but I would be willing to bet, only 5 or 6 teams are under the cap. Do I think it’s anything bad to be under the cap for 2009? Why not? What’s it’s going to hurt. As it is getting Miller off the team for cap space (Marion or no) is better than not having anything at all.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

2009 cap space

It allows you to jump into the pool early. For example, let’s say that Toronto made the determination that they would not be able to re-sign Bosh, and the Kings had some youth and picks to offer for him. Now, the Kings will still have to re-sign Bosh in 2010, but they will be able to offer him considerably more ($20+ million more?) by owning his Bird rights. As was the case with C-Webb, money talks. The Kings get their guy by being able to get a foot hold prior to 2010.

Bosh may not be the best example, but you get the idea.

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by section214 on Dec 1, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

That too

I’m not really a fan of Carlos Boozer. I posted that article that the Jazz are going to have a decision if Boozer opts out. (Which he may not.) But if he does (and it’s likely, or then again, maybe not.) it will throw a lot of the world into wack a year early. I know Kobe Bryant Will opt out in the summer of 2009 to get a big 6 year deal outta the Lakers.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Thank you gentlemen

i understand. get it done Petrie

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by vfettke on Dec 1, 2008 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well put

God, I’d love if that happened.

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by Exhibit G on Dec 1, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Boozer will opt out

or agree to an extension first. He wants the $$ first as he proved to Cleveland.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2008 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Just hope that Rockets keep losing

BOOK IT!

by kingme18 on Dec 1, 2008 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I may never go to a game

if he’s in a Kings uniform

I don’t think I could take it – and certainly couldn’t cheer for it.
don’t be so eager to Sell our Souls
He is cancer incarnate.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The same thing was said

About Artest by a lot of people, myself included.

And even though I never wanted him and I’m glad he’s gone, there were a lot of good things he brought to the team, particularly in that first half-season.

So I’m less concerned about his impact in the locker room than his impact on our ability to win games we should win, the capspace situation, and the opportunity it opens up for the young guys to play more this season.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 1, 2008 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Artest at least wanted to WIN at all costs

I’m not convinced thats very important to Marion.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2008 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not saying he's the answer

I’m saying that even so-called problem players can have upside for your team, depending on the situation.

I’m being objective, neither endorsing nor complaining about the proposed trade.

If it happens, wait and see how it turns out.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 2, 2008 6:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

2009 & 2010 Free Agent List

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-09-10

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by stankpalmer on Dec 1, 2008 12:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Here is the actual link

So you don’t have to click on the broken link.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

anyone

else think the Kings go after Hedo next year?

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by what_the_crap on Dec 1, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not into that idea for a lot of reasons

I think this team has a quality young core minus a top flight PG (which again is why I’ve been shoving Mike Conley down everybody’s throats). The KIngs need to use Beno when Dec 15 to get Conley because Beno isn’t very expensive, and may turn out to be a good deal for his money. Players do sometimes end up playing into the money they got on the Free Agent market, or greatly exceeding it in Steve Nash’s case.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm all for Conley

He has the potential to live up to the college highlight reels, he just needs the chance and i would love for it to be here. In the future we could have an incredibly solid starting five of Conley, Martin, Greene, Thompson, and Hawes. The cap space could net us either a couple of strong backups for depth or a big name star which leaves one of those guys on the bench.

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by vfettke on Dec 1, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I rather have depth

And get players with moderate contracts that teams are trying to dump to get in the 2010 sweepstakes.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Me too

which is kind of why i like the idea of somehow aquiring plenty of draft picks/youngsters. I’m perfectly happy with a really young but deep team, i.e. the Portland Trailblazers

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by vfettke on Dec 1, 2008 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

Realistically that’s the only way the Kings can compete in the NBA where the Knicks get Bosh, Nash and Bron Bron. (And nobody else LOL.)

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Duuuuuude...

i know you were totally exaggerating there but wouldn’t that team be the single funniest pro sports team of all time?

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by vfettke on Dec 1, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Incredibly solid starting five?

Maybe, maybe it turns out that way, but the more likely answer is they become five players of a decent 8-9 man rotation. The team would still need a proven go-to shotmaker or two at crunch time, and I don’t see any in that mix.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 1, 2008 11:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Kmart and Cisco, maybe?

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by vfettke on Dec 2, 2008 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I just don't know where you see

‘top flight’ in Conley . . . .

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2008 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Conley

Would be great. How could the Kings get him though?

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by dalt99 on Dec 1, 2008 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

he hasn't come close to performing at that level though.

Browns been a better pg in his limited time than conley has been. Why throw the baby out with the bathwater?

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by Bushka on Dec 1, 2008 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The grass is always greener. . . .

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2008 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I dunno

There aren’t really that many people on that list I like. So I think the better idea is to try and trade for someone with bird rights.

Boozer sounds good but I don’t think he will be a better long term investment than Hawes or Thompson. If we are going after stars I’m, wanting a SF or PG. Our best bet would be shedding Salmons and keeping Marion.

by Doubl3Dos3 on Dec 1, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i just vomited in my mouth a little bit

keeping Marion would require a long term max deal. he would not be a part of our future. his purpose would be as cap space and/or trade bait.

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by vfettke on Dec 1, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't want Marion long term

Short term I could live with because it wouldn’t be a full season, but the guy is a punk. No fucking thank you. (And his defense is really overrated I might add.)

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with the sentiment

But I’ll be shocked if Marion gets anything close to max money on his next deal.

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by otis29 on Dec 1, 2008 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Marion not the answer

I meant hold on to Marion for now and then try and pick up a good Point or 3. I just don’t think Salmons is the answer so it would be nice to get rid of him along with Miller. I wouldn’t mind keeping Mikki as long as he came off the bench.

by Doubl3Dos3 on Dec 1, 2008 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree

Marion > Salmons . . . this we can pretty much all agree with, in general.

However, Marion currently makes over three times as much as Salmons. Can we agree that Marion = 3x(Salmons)? I doubt it. I don’t even know if we could agree that Marion = 2x(Salmons), assuming he signs for around HALF of what he’s making now.

Now, add to that the in team chemistry Salmons > Marion, and it gets even murkier.

There are a LOT of factors to weigh when looking at who to keep and who to let go.

by smgmatt on Dec 1, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd be honestly willing to take Mark Blount on

If the Heat were willing to take John Salmons away. (Keep in mind I think Blount is a 6’11 sack of shit.)

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

twice a good - not even freakin' close

Marion: PPG: 11.7, RPG: 8.9, APG: 1.0

Salmons: PPG: 19.2, RPG 3.6, APG: 3.1

Salmons is a good defender. Marion’s rebounding numbers dwaf Salmon’s but Samons’s offensive numbers dwarf Marion’s.

They are both pretty nice players. Difference is that Marion is an ass and Salmons couldn’t hardly be a much better guy.

by Kusian on Dec 1, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

So much for Marion being the man, eh?

Gave up a ring because he didn’t want to be third to Nash and Amare in Phoenix (where he averaged a double double) and now he’s playing worse? Douche bag!

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by vfettke on Dec 1, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Marion is a douchebag

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

A huge douche bag!

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by vfettke on Dec 1, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

CANCER

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2008 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Thank you . . . rec'd

Looking back at my comment I realize I danced around my point a little too much . . . you put it so much more succinctly.

by smgmatt on Dec 1, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess I missed the press release

but how is it known that Marion is a cancer, ass, douche bag, ect?

by KingsFan on Dec 1, 2008 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting point

He did want out of PHO, but I’m not sure what he has done is any worse or even nearly as bad as what Webber had done in GS and WAS before coming to the Kings. I still don’t want him on the team long term, but it is something to think about.

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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 1, 2008 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Didn't the Wizards and Warriors suck when Webber played there?

Marion left a team that was a couple of bad suspensions away from a ring. He crybabied his way into a trade because he thought he should be “the man” on a team with Steve Nash and Amare Stoudamire. Wanna know what’s really ironic about that? Even as the third fiddle to Nash and Amare he averaged a double double. He was getting plenty of touches, which isn’t too hard in D’Antoni’s system, and putting up great numbers. Now he’s being outperformed by a rookie.

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by vfettke on Dec 1, 2008 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Joe Johnson left

a similar situation. No one’s calling him a cancer. I’m not a big Marion fan, but I don’t think he’s Marbury either.

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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 1, 2008 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Who wants OFF a championship level team

that you’re STARTING on????

Someone who doesn’t care about winning – that’s who.

I don’t mind the money, but desire to WIN should come first. I know intuitively that he’s poisen.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2008 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Kobe and or Shaq

wanted off a championship team. To name two.

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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 1, 2008 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

They'd already won THREE

makes it a little less important

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2008 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So if you win one

you can be a dick and it’s ok? Maybe Marion saw that the Suns weren’t going to win the big one and he wanted to move somewhere else before he was too far over the hill.

The dude’s just doing what he thinks is best for his career. Do I think it was a smart move? No, but I don’t think that makes him a cancer. I think that makes him the same as about 90% of the people associated with the NBA, including owners, refs, league officials, coaches and GMs.

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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 1, 2008 7:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Miami was smart for his career?

aren’t you stretching things a bit? (I guess you think it wasn’t smart – ok)

and yes, after you win a few I think you might take it for granted and let other things distract you, want to be THE man.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2008 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Kobe and Shaq hated each other

meanwhile, Marion just hated being the third go to guy, even though as the third option he averaged a damn triple double. The two players he was below, especially Steve Nash, made him better. Has he done well without Nash? No! Kobe and Shaq have both done well without each other, though.

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by vfettke on Dec 2, 2008 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It is true

that leaving PHO was a stupid move by Marion. Nash and their offensive style made him a much better player. So what. He’s an idiot.

BTW, Kobe has how many rings after Shaq? .

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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 2, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

How many rings Shaq got where he was the driving force?

That’s such a moot point if you ask me. Miami has rings for one reason: Dwyane Wade.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 2, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Absolutely

I was just having fun arguing that Marion’s lack of selfless team first attitude is not uncommon, in fact it is the norm.

But for some reason these guys think that attitude is acceptable for Kobe and Shaq and Joe Johnson and Boozer and Baron Davis and Elton Brand and nearly everyone else in the league, but not for Marion. Seems strange to me.

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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 2, 2008 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

From what I could find

probably four teams have significant salary cap for 2009: Atlanta, Detroit, Memphis and OC. At least Detroit is perhaps heading also towards 2010 and might be interested in resigning at least Wallace.

That makes four other teams targeting at free agents. Atlanta will perhaps need a pointguard, Memphis and OC might take anyone.

Summarily, I agree with TZ’s argument and say, let’s dump the salary and target the best we can (perhaps take Odom, Marion or Artest and forward them through sign and trade)

by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Dec 1, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Artest? Again?

Did you see how that turned out the first time?

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by vfettke on Dec 1, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Wasn't the Artest era painful enough the first time?

And you’re suggesting us to be subjected to another go around? Please!

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

NOOOO

Not Ron Ron again. Now Odom I think would be a great addition. Great character guy who has some redeeming to as well as his ability to make his teammates better. Sorry, FD’s chapter on Odom made me see him in a new (better) light. I think he could be a great addition to the squad, especially if Cisco finally shows his star potential and takes the starting spot at the 3. That way Odom could be the 6th man or start at the 4 sometime.

by Doubl3Dos3 on Dec 1, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

who is "FD"?

Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.

by Holmdel on Dec 1, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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by Doubl3Dos3 on Dec 1, 2008 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Marion a Great Charactor guy??!!

Are you joking?!

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Lamar

Most of the time.

by Doubl3Dos3 on Dec 1, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

sorry, you were talking Odem

I still don’t agree, we need a leader, not another sheep

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

leader

I think K Mart and Hawes can be that leader for the future.

by Doubl3Dos3 on Dec 1, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hawes - maybe

KM is and always will be a great scorer, leadership ability, emotional leadership ability would have manifested at some level by now.

Thats what I think. No knock on him, some personalities just can’t do it.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2008 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

KM showing signs of leadership

A while back I was one of the few folks actually agreeing with FSN that KM wasn’t likely to become a leader but I’m not so sure now. KM is not the kind of guy to grab you by the shoulders and scream in your face. He is showing signs of being the kind of guy that takes you by the elbow and talks quietly in your ear. Not a behind the scenes leader but more of a on the side of the scenes leader if you know what I mean.

by hozr on Dec 2, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This team needs the other kind

that fires it up, that refuses to let it lose….

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by lietothegirls on Dec 2, 2008 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He is talking about doing that

KM specifically talked about getting the team comaraderie back, saying they should get back to things like high 5’ing each other when another guy scores. It’s understated but that’s KM’s personality.

by hozr on Dec 2, 2008 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Need to be thinking about

guys that are not starting on their downward slide. If the player is 29-30 right now, their skills will be in full decline in the 2-3 years it’s going to take us to grow into contender status.

For me pass on all three. Though I would make the proposed Miller/Moore or Jax or Salmons for Marion. I wouldn’t mind a pick maybe next year’s lottery protected? Anyway make the trade pick or no pick and remove Marion at the deadline.

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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 1, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know why we think Miami

would give up a 1st pick – for what? To get rid of an expring contract?

not likely

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2008 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If it was for Miller and Salmons?

And it was their ’10 pick, lottery protected, they might.

Regardless, if you actually read my post, it said I wouldn’t mind a pick, but make the trade with or with out a pick.

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by Kfan in Korea on Dec 1, 2008 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think we'll get a pick from Miami

I think our best bet for a pick would be if we re-traded Marion at a later date, possibly to a playoff team looking for that final push. However, I don’t see that happening unless its for another expiring contract(s) or pieces for the future.

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by vfettke on Dec 1, 2008 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You're opinion

but I wouldn’t. I want no part of him

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2008 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

MANY APOLOGIES

I did not suggest to keep these guys, rather sign them and trade for (pointguard, or young SF) that might fit for the team.

perhaps should have made myself clearer

by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Dec 2, 2008 1:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Danny Granger of the Pacers

did he re-sign?

Not on the list(s) but still showing up on Sham and Hoopshype as a FA

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by lietothegirls on Dec 2, 2008 12:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah he got an extension lttg

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by pookeyguru on Dec 2, 2008 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

hmm... I see that our boy

Paul Millsap is a restricted FA in ’09.

What do you think, pookey? Could GP make Millsap an offer the Jazz wouldn’t/couldn’t match? (assuming, that is, that we clear Brad’s salary a year early via this type of trade.)

I like the theory of getting a jump on most teams in the Free Agent market, but to be honest, I don’t love the ’09 crop all that much.

Millsap is an exception though. He could deliver some of the muscle, hustle and attitude this franchise needs inside so badly.

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(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Dec 2, 2008 12:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I doubt it

Particularly if the Jazz decide they don’t want to pay Boozer, and pay Millsap instead. If I were the Jazz, I would totally do that. It puts Boozer out in the wind, but Boozer isn’t exactly a complete fan favorite, or considered to be the most universally important player on that team. Deron Williams is in Utah, and no matter what, that will always eat at Boozer. With Millsap, I doubt it will. But, like everything else, it’s always a gamble. I’m interested to see the decision Utah makes.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 2, 2008 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

One will shake loose

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by lietothegirls on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I hate the thought of Marion on the Kings...ewww

Also lets talk a little about K-mart.

Brad makes the game a lot easier for him. You can’t deny that they both made each other better. Brad always knew where Martin was going to be and delivered the ball perfectly to him.

This would mean that Spencer would have to work with Martin to get to the level of comfort Martin had with Brad.

I think Spencer can do it, but it won’t happen that fast. I think we will see Martin struggle for a few games at least. Not saying the guy can’t score without Brad, but having him there certainly helped.

Also, I don’t like the idea of Salmons going to the bench…or trading the guy if that’s what Miami wants. Marion sucks at D imo, the guy isn’t overrated in that sense. All he can do is “score” but he’s not that proficient at that anymore. I say if he comes to the Kings, he comes off the Bench. No matter how much he whines about it. This would be a move for the future. So the young guys need to get out there and play, Marion isn’t part of the Kings future. He should be made aware of that if the trade happens.

We’ll see what happens.

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by Apoet on Dec 1, 2008 3:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

My thoughts

Marion for Brad and B-Jax? No thanks
Marion for Brad and Moore? No thanks.
Marion for Brad, Sheldon and Douby? No thanks.
Marion for Brad, B-Jax and a pick? Maybe, but no.
Marion for Brad, Salmons and a pick? Hell no.
Maroion for Brad in any way? NO THANKS

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by dalt99 on Dec 1, 2008 3:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Wait, so Brad + B-Jax = No, But Brad + B-Jax + a pick = Maybe?

Not sure I follow, unless you’re saying Marion + Pick for Brad + B-Jax

au contra ire

by JediLeroy on Dec 1, 2008 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He's saying he don't like Marion

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by pookeyguru on Dec 2, 2008 12:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I DO think thats the point he's making

and i happen to concur

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by lietothegirls on Dec 2, 2008 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That was my point

Centers are hard to come by and I just don’t know if it’s a good idea to trade Miller (a still servicable and better than average center) for a SF/PF that is also over 30 and not any future answer. Yes, I understand that his contract expires this year and it would open up cap space but I don’t think losing a center for a PF makes sense. In my list above there is one trade that I would definitely do:
Marion for Brad and K9 (woof!)? YES!

That trade makes great cap sense and gets rid of Kenny so he can flourish in Miami.

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by dalt99 on Dec 2, 2008 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Two weeks ago I would have said no way,

now after watching brad’s vanishing defense and overall mediocre performance I would say do it. I ran Pook’s trade idea (brad, mikki and QD for Marion) through the trade machine and surprise, surprise it works. There is no doubt that Brad helps Kevin score but ultimately Spence is going to be replacing brad and since the season is looking very, very, iffy, I don’t see any reason not to do it if we could.

I have been strong in my support of Miller in the past but no longer. If we could lose Mikki and Brad in one trade I’m all for it. As I and others see it this is QD’s last season with the Kings anyway, maybe Pat Riley can unlock his potential but whatever, it’s not happening here.

I think we do the trade to get rid of Miller and Moore not to secure Marion. If we made the trade, Marion would only be here a few months, a small stop along the way of his career before he gets his last decent (not anywhere near max) contract.

As far as his being a cancer, what do we really know? I think it’s based on his prima donna ish trade demands. I read a long piece in either ESPN Mag or SI on Marion published before the trade with Miami and it a lot of ways he didn’t seem like that bad a guy. In the main we don’t really know what goes on in the locker room, we typically assign character to players based on what we see on the court and what litte exposure we get from the media.

Also this is Marion’s contract year, he’s playing for a new one and I’m guessing he’s going to on his best behavior this season. Look at how well behaved RonRon was last season. Since most trades that are proposed in the media or here never happen this one probably won’t happen either but if it has a chance of happening I hope it does.

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by Bluejohn on Dec 1, 2008 4:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

My trade

Miller + Douby or Williams (their choice) for Marion

It’s a win win! I say go for it. I’ve always liked Marion’s game, anyway.

by CloudyEyes on Dec 1, 2008 5:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Or even Miller + Moore...

What a dream come true that would be!

by CloudyEyes on Dec 1, 2008 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Great player

it just sucks that he’s also a cancerous douche bag

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by vfettke on Dec 1, 2008 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Give them Salmons too

for a first rounder.
Then the Kings can actually have some youth in this youth movement.

by sdfd on Dec 2, 2008 1:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Umm...

have you seen Spencer Hawes, Jason Thompson, Bobby Brown, Donte Greene, or Kevin Martin?

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by vfettke on Dec 2, 2008 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Mikki Moore is young in his mind

Don’t pick on him.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 2, 2008 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs