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Sam Amick questions Udih's passing creds, while at the same time saying it is the system. Which is it Amick?

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Amick infers that it could be a combination of the two, and I would agree with that. Udrih is not absolved of blame, but the system that the KIngs run makes it damn near impossible for a PG to put up huge assist numbers. My beef is with his assist/turnover ratio. If the offense is not always going through you, you should be averaging far less than 3 TO’s a game.

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by section214 on Dec 12, 2008 8:22 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

stealing my thunder

well said. my thoughts exactly. i also agree with Reggie’s comments about pushing the ball up the court.

by Kusian on Dec 12, 2008 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

This is well said Section

And it’s hard to find fault with any of that logic. (Not that I usually do……well maybe once in awhile :P)

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by pookeyguru on Dec 12, 2008 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I really love Amick's article

Because I think it brings up a solid point: Is it Beno or the system? I think it’s a bit of both, and I don’t think either are as much as a comfortable fit as either would have hoped. I like Beno, and what he can bring, but I don’t think he’s so valuable that you shouldn’t look to upgrade in a blockbuster trade or through the draft when you can at the PG spot.

This is great news if it’s true:

Health should only help the situation. With Francisco GarcĂ­a back from his right calf strain, Udrih has a spot-up shooter to find for open looks. With Kevin Martin’s second return from his left ankle injury looking to be at least a week away, his eventual return will give Udrih another worthy weapon.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 12, 2008 10:29 AM PST reply actions  

I didn't know Beno was making that many assists.

While I think it’s true that in many ways Brad takes on the role of ball distributer I also don’t think Beno is always looking to distribute first either. Many times he’l take the ball and snake his way dribbling between defenders usually going to his left and depending on who he runs into in the paint either makes the layup or not. My thought has been that until recently he hasn’t trusted his team mates to make the shot if he passes.

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by Bluejohn on Dec 12, 2008 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

This team needs a reliable ball-handler who looks to create for his teammates while minimizing turnovers; we have a scoring, turnover-prone guard. He had a stable, more talented lineup last season and put up depressingly bad AST/TO ratio numbers (second to worst in the league among qualified PGs, ahead of only Jarrett Jack). His low assists are completely understandable, but his turnovers are inexcusable.

Beno yelling at his teammates for one of his dumb turnovers or taking time off to whine at someone instead of getting back on defense is what REALLY pisses me off, however.

by jeremy548 on Dec 12, 2008 12:36 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

With the exception of Ron-Ron, this team and the coaching staff has remained the same for the most part yet Beno’s play has regressed from last year so I am not sure how much you can blame on the system for the lack of production. Because of the high post offense the assists are going to be minimal as was pointed out but I haven’t yet seen Beno hit his outside shot consistently or play with as much aggressiveness as he did last year. I don’t think it is any coincidence that his best games in a Kings uni have been against the Spurs and Clippers. Both teams he probably geeks himself up for so it makes me wonder if it comes down to self motivation and losing the drive last year for his expiring contract. I hope he didn’t go Marko Jaric on us (playing well going into his contract year, getting a fat re-up, and then sliding into a self induced NBA coma )..

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by chupacabara on Dec 12, 2008 1:31 PM PST reply actions  

I'm not freaking out about Beno yet

It seems the entire team is trying to understand the offense Reggie’s putting in (is it a high-post offense like Adelman’s, or is it a traditional point guard driven offense, or is it pick-and-roll heavy, or do we clear out the low post and dump it in?) Honestly, I’ve seen variations of a number of different offensive philosophies this year.

So I’m cool with waiting it out on Beno for a while until there seems to be a more cohesive offensive philosophy. Conversely, he absolutely needs to value the ball better, and the team is relying on him to step it up with his outside shooting.

Additionally, I think he’s a passionate guy, but he needs to quit pointing fingers and assigning blame and be more of a floor leader. He’s a young guy, and maybe that’s something he can learn – but it’s a very important aspect of being a point guard in the league.

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by otis29 on Dec 12, 2008 2:02 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Agreed on the Pointing Fingers Nonsense

As far as the cardinal sins of team play are concerned I put “pointing fingers” right up there next to “not finishing every play,” i.e. pulling up short on chasing a breakaway to whine at a ref while the breakaway opponent misses the lay-up. Both offenses have caused me at times (and I am a relatively subdued person) to yell at the television, “Send that sack of shit to the locker room!!!!”

by BrooklynFan on Dec 12, 2008 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd

For absolute genius with perfect grammar.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 12, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I love implicit criticism

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by pookeyguru on Dec 12, 2008 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Not the last word on the matter but...

A lot of people need to ask themselves this question: If people really want a traditional pg will it really matter, since our offense runs through the bigs. If our offense runs through the bigs, I would think a slashing type ball-handler would be more useful – ie a monta ellis type.

Personally, I like the idea of a “pass-first pg,” but, if it is the system – as people seem to be agreeing, and Amick infers – getting a pass-first pg wouldn’t be as useful since the role of the pg in this system is more of a slashing scorer with some assists.

by Citadel 29 on Dec 12, 2008 8:19 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Use the basketball IQ

There are times to push the ball and times to pull back. There are times to shoot more, especially when you have the hot hand. There are times to make the extra pass.

Every King needs to play smarter, but it starts with the guy bringing up the ball most of the time. His decisionmaking can have a big impact on setting the tone for the team.

That and effort and better D, which usually run hand in hand.

Beno can play a lot better. Is it a lack of motivation, a lack of confidence, a lack of athleticism or some other factors that keeps him from reaching his potential. Or is it just too early in his career given the limited number of NBA starts he has on his resume to expect that much from him?

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 13, 2008 7:56 AM PST reply actions  

A little of this, a little of that

I am always skeptical of the professional athlete with a newly signed long term contract (dreaded Ricky Henderson Syndrome). Security, in some, brings complacency and a degree of preservation that knocks the “crap” out of “scrapiness”.

In Beno’s case I think (how can anyone know) that he is trying his best ("efforting") but has many bad habits and runs confused. I would bet he thinks he is that player from last year that the Kings re-signed but alas, he is not. Maybe he is trying to do more and can’t or can’t yet. I don’t get that awful complacency aura that some players emit. The TO’s are down, the offense is up, the defense was much better (last night). Progress however slow, is still progress.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 13, 2008 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

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