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Przythompson_mediumSomeone replaced the strokes of Spencer Hawes and Jason Thompson with that of Kenny Thomas. Harsh, I know. But there's no other way to explain the shooting slumps Shock and Hawes have suffered.

The Blazers defended Hawes well enough -- he had only one open look out on the floor -- and Thompson took everything in traffic. These events were resulting in points in November, and for all the discussion we can offer focused around Beno Udrih's sloppiness or Brad Miller's inconsistency -- the game is just different if the young pivots can score. But Hawes had 8 points on 8 shots, Thompson finished with 4 points in 9 shots. Many of the misses came in critical stretches in which either the Kings could have extended a lead or stayed within realistic third quarter striking distance.

John Salmons is tired as heck. I don't blame him. The 43 minutes in the first game of the four-in-five stretch killed his energy for all but Tuesday's first 12 minutes. It doesn't help that Kevin Martin's absence makes him a focal point -- Salmons is good enough to score on most NBA defenders, but he can't take on two of them. And while Francisco Garcia can score, he's not Martin. He just doesn't require a level of attention large enough to relieve pressure on Salmons.

The flow of this one mirrored the first Blazers game in Sacramento. In November, Steve Blake and friends wore out the Kings defense by hitting threes. This time, it was all offensive rebounding (19 in 48 opportunities -- a completely disastrous 40% OReb rate for Portland). The Blazers offense is strong. It doesn't need extra chances. No Kings big man has more than three defensive rebounds, despite all of them playing at least 17 minutes (and Hawes played 28 minutes). Part of it can be credited to Portland -- the team rebounds well on the offensive end -- and a bit comes on the refs; Joel Przybilla shoves an opponent on every rebound opportunity, yet Przybilla finished with exactly zero fouls. But in the end, the Kings bigs really need to hit the defensive glass better. This is on every single one of them -- the 30-year-olds and the post-teens alike.

We won't likely see Beno Udrih, Hawes, Thompson, Garcia and Bobby Brown all shoot terribly in the same game again, except perhaps against Boston. Of course, the team needs a few of those guys to score efficiently, and the young bigs are as good a couple of candidates as any. Let's hope the strokes thaw out.

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I wonder

if the fact that they are not playing together is the cause of this. When JT is in with Mikki Less he iis constantly double teamed because teams are not concerned with M Less scoring. When JT was scoring well he was in with either Miller or Hawes

by Beagle12 on Dec 17, 2008 8:57 AM PST reply actions  

It's not the bigs

Every game its the same, the opponent does respect our 3pt shooting, and why not we’re at .300. The games we’ve won are the ones where BJax finally made some 3’s. Our guards are 54 or 200 from the 3, thats .270.. Our SF are 45 for 130 or .350 but that’s because Salmons is at .390 while Greene is at .280 & Cisco is at .290. While our PF are at .000, and the only players on the team over .310 besides Salmon & Martin, are Hawes & Miller.

So, if Miller or Hawes are in the low post, the only 3pt threat the defense needs to cover is Salmons. That means everyone else can cheat into the paint to clog it up or rebound.

Joe Maloof was right that our 3pt defense was hurting us, but that was because our 3pt offense was so bad that the discrepency was too big.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 17, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

We have guys who can shoot it, but we need to set some up for them early in games, such as we did for Cisco in the laker games. That get defenders respecting the ‘catch and shoot’ early and eventually destroys that reputation.

Right now, as i’ve said before, team are focusing on stopping dribble penetration and succeeding.
Too many of our guys depend on dribbling it – and teams can read scouting reports.

Its thier nature but, dribble penetrate kick-out and shoot is too often dribble, penetrate, kick-out and dribble some more.

jack up a few shots guys.

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 17, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

But would note that Bobby Brown is shooting 35% from three, which is decent if not good. I think his shooting percentages will improve as he gains experience.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Dec 17, 2008 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes forgot to mention Brown

except to group him with the rest of the guards. I think our best line up as far as 3pt shooters goes would be Miller, Hawes, Salmon, Cisco & Brown. But, I’d have Miller at PF since he’s a more consistant 3pt shooter from the corner, and Hawes can play better from the hi & lo posts. Run a kind of high post triangle with Hawes, Salmons & Brown. Then let Salmons & Brown dribble penetrate and kick to the corners or back hi to Hawes. Force them to play us close and open up the lane or get burned by the open jumper.

Of, course, once we have to substitute we’re dead. Without Martin, we’re down to .200 shooters coming off the bench.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 17, 2008 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

How about this

For a three point shooting lineup:
C-Hawes
PF-Greene
SF-Salmons
SG-Martin
PG-Garcia

That looks pretty damn potent. Well, for this Kings team anyway. Rebounding could be an issue but that’s why you are shooting threes.

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by dalt99 on Dec 18, 2008 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Plus

With this lineup, Hawes could post up and spread the floor that way. Dangerous?

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by dalt99 on Dec 18, 2008 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Against a Mike D'Antoni team I like that idea

Against most other teams, only for short stretches.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 18, 2008 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd have to agree with Pooky

Greene has played a little PF already, and he could pose a problem to some of the slower PF’s with his ability to dribble penetrate past them. But, he has weak low post skills, and would mainly be a jump shooter and below average rebounder. Besides, most of the bigger PF"s would simply back down into the paint and muscle him.

We had a threed some time ago where we discussed him growing into a PF. He’s almost as big as Hawes now. But, if you look at his upper body, he may not be able to build up his arms and shoulders that much.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 18, 2008 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

My problem is

Who gets the team into the sets? Garcia? Can he do that?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 18, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Good post

Theus preached about spreading the floor. The problem is, the defenders don’t need to spread out too far if their covers (Kings players) can’t shoot unless they dribble first or are within 22 feet. Even though Salmons has been shooting well from three, most of his threes are set shots or shots he takes after making a few jukes. Besides Greene and Garcia, the Kings have NOBODY that can catch and shoot. Beno shoots off the dribble. Brown and Jackson CAN catch and shoot but their percentages go way down when they do. Martin is very good at it as well but most of his threes come in transition or when wide open off a pass in the half court offense. Martin RARELY shoots it right in someone’s face coming off a pick like Kile Korver, Reggie Miller or Ray Allen. In fact, only Greene seems to have that ability. Even Garcia seems to need to dribble to set up his shots easily. Now that I think of it, Spencer can catch and shoot but lately his shot has been way off.

"Oh, boy! This website is very good. Hey, let's talk about the Raiders!" - "Peaches" Napier

by dalt99 on Dec 17, 2008 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Ho-Hum

My reactions early:

Hey! Salmons is HOT, keep feeding him!
(later)
Uh… someone else should take a shot though.
Cisco, are you out there?
(later)
Can anyone else hit a shot?. . . . . .Cisco, maybe you should at least jack a few up….?
(later)
I know we were going to ‘keep it simple’ but maybe a few set plays of some sort to get someone going.
(half)
Well, ok D kept us sorta in this when we went cold, there’s still time
Maybe Cisco will actually take a shot or ten this half as he’s the STARTING SG!
(later)
this sucks, now Salmons can’t hit a shot – no wonder with those two guys hanging on him.
(later)
maybe I’ll catch up on that episode of Heroes I recorded the other night and check back in a few…
(later)
Yuck!
(later)
Christ!
(later)
………….later

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 17, 2008 8:58 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

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