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Memo to Kenny Natt

If they aren't part of the plan, send them to the bench. Give me an eight-man rotation.

• Up front: Give me a three-man rotation of Hawes, JT and Shelden.

• PG: Play Brown more than Beno.

• SG-SF: Play Garcia and Greene more than Salmons. When Martin comes back, take most of the minutes away from Salmons aka The Black Hole.

The rest of guys should sit and maybe get a little mop-up duty while we work on trades to get them out of Dodge.

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Nice in theory

But Miller and Moore have to play, Salmons has been the team’s best player this season, and Beno showed signs of breaking out before last night, admittedly the end of a tiring stretch. You know how much I love the young guys … but so long Shock is above 20 minutes and Hawes gets 28-30+, and Greene sees the court before garbage time … I’m fine with some vet minutes.

by Ziller on Dec 17, 2008 7:19 AM PST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

agreed

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by what_the_crap on Dec 17, 2008 8:48 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beno and Brad

are like hostesses.

“Allow me to seat you. I recommend the in-your-face dunk this evening. Everyone is ordering it.”

Mikki Moore is not much better.

If you do what you’ve always done, you’ll get the results you’ve always gotten.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 17, 2008 9:02 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why do people throw salmons under the bus?

salmons has played well this year. he is the only one that has been healthy AND productive most of the year. martin has been out, where do you think those points are going to come from? hawes and thompson are nice, but very young and need more fundamental practice with their back against the basket. brown is not ready to get 30+ minutes a game, and greene needs to learn the word “pass”.

you still need to showcase miller and moore in the event the billy king finds a job somewhere and wants to take on the salary of players who aren’t worth what they are being paid.

as for sheldon williams, the only good thing about our boy sheldon is candace parker. for that reason alone i hope we sign old shelly to a 20 year contract, just to keep candace in town. other than that, he can fold the towels when the guys get out of the shower.

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by Cynema the Band on Dec 17, 2008 8:08 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My major problem with Salmons

The ball stops with him. It’s the John Salmons Show.

Shit, I hope the dude can score with the rock staying in his hands for total possessions at time.

He needs to learn to pass the ball.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 17, 2008 8:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

someone else

needs to ask for the ball! Not back off and watch as they do too often, It just feeds Salmons’ tendancy. And he was so hot early – you gotta keep feeding him within reason, but reason soon went out the window.

Cisco took NO shots(?) in the first half? Your starting SG?

I think the kids got plenty of minutes to not look very good last night.

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 17, 2008 9:05 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's partly the coach

The coach needs to make the players realize that when Salmons has the ball, he will drive. When he does, they have to cut or move to an open spot. I agree with Coolcat that John needs to set up his teammates more. He could easily average 5 assists a game if he wanted to. Cisco is much better at finding the open man after a drive then is John.

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by dalt99 on Dec 17, 2008 9:17 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

keeping it simple

is a good idea for the young (or dumb) players.

But it sorta looked liked they got sent out there and were told to score. I didn’t see any set plays (ok, a couple) that attempted to free someone up for a shot to get them going.

When will someone coaching this team realize that there should be a few plays to free up Hawes, get him going. He’s a gifted shooter, though it didn’t look like it last night.

Everyone should have a play designed for them. Just one decent play for each player that the team can run to get them ‘going’ in a tough stretch. The players can take it from there but must be given a little space to breathe.

“Beno, BobbyB, dribble the ball for 10-15 seconds then drive to the hole at no particular moment. that will get us going.”

This is a team of guys who can shoot, why not use that to our advantage? Get shooters shooting. It doesn’t have to be play call after play call – just get those guys taking decent shots and they’ll start to fall. A lot of shots will fall.

Sorry dalt,

yes, its partly the coach(ing)

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 17, 2008 1:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

As long as he's the most efficient shooter on the floor

And playing solid defense, what’s to complain about?

You want him to pass the ball to guys whose true shooting percentage is far lower? That makes sense…

Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?

by otis29 on Dec 17, 2008 10:30 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

excellent point otis

he is the best all-around player we have. and as long as martin is out of the lineup, who is going to break down the defense with the threat of a pull-up jump shot?

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by Cynema the Band on Dec 17, 2008 10:58 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep

I could see complaining about Salmons if he was shooting sub-40% from the field, but geez, the guy’s having a phenomenal year. Give him the ball until he cools off.

Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?

by otis29 on Dec 17, 2008 12:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Otis

you have to offer different looks to a defense, keep them on thier heels

so yes, pass the freakin’ ball BEFORE the defense adjusts, closes in and shuts down whats working at the moment

ride the hot player for a reasonable time then hit the opponent hard with a change-up or two

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 19, 2008 1:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure

Different looks are fine – but it makes no sense to go away from something that works on a defense just to give them a different look. Make them adjust to it or keep ramming it down their throats. Once they adjust, you go someplace else.

Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?

by otis29 on Dec 19, 2008 1:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure, my point is

you want to mix it up just as you see them Start to make the adjustment(s)

Also, the personalities on this team are fairly passive, its important to keep them involved within reason.

Salmons is a very good player, but are you saying he’s physically and emotionally prepared to ‘carry’ the team? Physically he might be, emotionally? I don’t think he has it in him.

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 19, 2008 1:42 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, not sure about that either

We talked about this a bit last season. Should a guy that doesn’t have the mental toughness to handle a role coming off the bench be in your long-term plans?

I mean, his numbers didn’t just decline a fractional amount as a sub, they were night and day, yin and yang, Brad Pitt and Randy Johnson different.

I’ve enjoyed Salmons play this year on both ends of the court, but I still say no to him being a part of the “finished” product. If anything, good for us that his nice play this season’s hopefully raised his trade value.

Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?

by otis29 on Dec 19, 2008 1:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He might be our best chance

To land that ‘personality’ player or whatever you want to call it that gives this team a better spark. His numbers look great, His contract is attractive….

I’m still struggling with Brad Pitt /randy johnson analogy though…

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 19, 2008 1:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Speaking of Mr. Candace Parker...

Where do you think he will end up playing next year? And I don’t mean which team, I mean which league? Is he good enough to get a minimum contract in the nba? I’m not really sure he is, I guess it depends on his agent.
  I doubt he would play overseas considering his game is the exact opposite of what is successful in Europe, and I don’t see him coming to China because who wants to live here while your wife is dominating in America. From where I sit the Reno Gamblers (or whatever the name is) should be stiching up jerseys as we speak.

by Travis Mays Hayes on Dec 17, 2008 10:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I could see him somewhere in the NBA

Danny Fortson found work. Reggie Evans found work. Eduardo Najera found work. Shelden can find work. He might be able to find small minutes next year in places like Cleveland or Detroit.

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by section214 on Dec 17, 2008 11:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Add Kwame Brown to that list

Detroit willingly signed him.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 18, 2008 4:16 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true and true

he’s gotta be looking at a serious pay cut though. Anyway, the 12 million in the bank should be able to last him a little while

by Travis Mays Hayes on Dec 18, 2008 7:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kwame is done now though

Europe is his next stop – maybe

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 19, 2008 1:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did Motown waive Kwame?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 19, 2008 1:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, but he hasn't been very good

I don’t think he has shown much to either them or the next team

It was just an opinion going forward -( I’m pretty sure next season is a team option, though I wouldn’t swear to it.[?])

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 19, 2008 1:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

these guys have jobs

because they keep lighting up the kings. other moron GMs think that if they can do it a few times a year against the kings, then maybe they could do it against other teams. damn i wish i was 7ft. i am white as hell, but i can look unathletic as any of these guys.

www.myspace.com/cynemamusic.com

by Cynema the Band on Dec 18, 2008 7:32 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree and disagree

I agree that Shock, Hawes and Greene’s minutes are fine – they are all getting significant time and should continue to develop throughout this season. If this season serves as nothing else, it should be a training ground for those guys to cut their teeth.

With regard to Udrih and Brown though, I agree more with Coolcat. Beno is playing almost twice as many minutes as Bobby (31 to 15) with relatively the same level of production if you equal out the minutes. Beno is the better rebounder, Bobby the better 3 pt shooter. Beno is better at the line, Bobby the better ballhandler. Defensively, Beno is more physical, Bobby is quicker.

To me though, while Bobby doesn’t necessarily need to play more than Beno, he needs to be playing as much as Beno. He is younger and I believe has more potential than Udrih, and like the other young guys, needs to get more significant floor time. Haven’t we seen enough of Beno’s two signature moves, 1. spinning like a ballerina through the lane, wildly tossing the ball at the rim, or 2. trying to split the defenders on a pick and roll by throwing the ball through the gap in the defenders and then getting knocked sideways as he jumps through in pursuit, leading to the off balance shot or bad pass…

In Beno, we know we have a solid backup point guard who occasionally shows flashes of brillance. In Bobby, we have potential. Just like the other young players, we need to find out if that potential can be realized…

by Mcamp49 on Dec 17, 2008 8:14 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still say make them earn their minutes

Salmons is hogging the ball because he’s the only guy with the balls to take the game right at the defense. Bring back Martin, and that will change. Until I see someone on the Kings who plays better SF, there is no way we bench him. In all liklihood he is part of the future.

Beno is turning the ball over too much, but he is driving, which Brown seems afraid to do more often than not. Brown and Bobby are camping at the 3 pt line way too much. Which I don’t want from my PG. I like Brown, but I don’t know that he is my starting PG.

JT has lost his jumper. He is cleaning up well around the board, but he can’t make a twelve footer to save his life.

I will watch Hawes on the floor all day. Even when his shot is off, the guy hustles. he still looks like a rookie half the time, but 5 freaking blocks! Play this guy more.

Double E has to learn to play up to his size. I want to see rebounds, defense, and drives before I give him more minutes. He is a WIP.

Sheldon is a nice guy, but very, very one dimensional. If he plays more than 5-7 minutes a game, we are in trouble. He is a good come off the bench guy.

Garcia is inconsistent, but I will take him as a sixth man. High energy.

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by SavageBeast on Dec 17, 2008 10:28 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think JT

just stopped TAKING 12-foot shots. Everything is a putback, an out-of-control spin move or a drive. He made a 12-footer last night and can make that shot if he shoots it.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 17, 2008 7:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Add my name to the list of people who think this is a bad idea

In a perfect world, Salmons would be a better passer. But he’s clearly the best scoring option on the Kings as long as Martin is out. His numbers compare favorably with guys like Michael Redd and Rip Hamilton. To put it bluntly, John Salmons is the least of the Sacramento Kings’ problems.

Burying him on the bench not only makes the Kings a much worse team immediately, it also wrecks his trade value. So even if you think we should focus 100% of this season on developing for 2010 and beyond, this is still a bad idea. Donte Greene is 20 and built like a whip, having to practice his way to PT won’t hurt him or the team’s future. And he seems to be enjoying himself regardless. Cisco has found his niche, asking him to carry the scoring load (the way that Salmons is now) would not be a good idea.

Will Salmons be on the next great Kings team? I don’t know. But if he is too old to contribute to its development, either as a player or a trade piece, then we should be focusing on CP3 and the 2013 free-agent class, rather than 2010.

by furious.d on Dec 17, 2008 1:15 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Salmons isn't the problem you think he is CoolCat.

He is the best scoring option we have at the moment. He can pass though I agree he doen’t much. We have a new coach who hasn’t had any time to put his imprint on the team. John has been carrying huge minutes. KNatt will probably focus a bit of practice time on Salmon’s passing when Kevin gets back from his “sore ankle” or whatever it is.

Just giving the kids a lot of minutes isn’t the solution. I’m sure you’ve heard the old saying “perfect practice makes perfect”. In fact KNatt said something yesterday about the kids to the tune of (paraphrased) “you don’t get better in games, you get better in practice”.

I don’t have big problems with the kid’s minutes. They really haven’t earned them but because of injuries and the generally ineffective play of our vets as well as pressure from the Family they have had a lot of burn this season.

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by Bluejohn on Dec 17, 2008 4:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Earned PT

I agree that Miller & Salmons should keep their starting spots, but I think the most energy/efficient scoring (besides Salmons) last night & the game before came when the lineup was very youthful. Thus, I think that some of the young guys are beginning to make a case for taking over the starting spot, in particularly, Brown. His numbers were almost as good as Udrih’s, but in about half the minutes. If I were Natt, I’d have a depth chart that looked like this (w/ breakdown of minutes in parens):

PF/C: Hawes (35), Miller (25), JT (28), Williams(7), Moore (1)

SF: Salmons (25), Garcia (13), Greene (10)

SG: Martin (32), Garcia (11), Douby (5)

PG: Brown (18), Udrih (20), B-Jax (10)

Wow, making that list, I just realized how hard it is to make these substitutions. Before I started, I wanted to give Greene like 15-20 minutes, Garcia 30-plus min, and Brown about 20-25. There really aren’t enough minutes to go around. Trading Miller and/or Moore & Thomas would be good to open up more minutes. I’m not willing to take time away from Salmons, Martin, Hawes or Garcia at this point. I like Salmons and really believe that he can (if he wants to) correct his bad habits and really contribute to a winning team.

by PhutureKings on Dec 17, 2008 5:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate that this is true, but it is

I think that most of us that have been paying attention this season have a lot of love for Bobby Brown, but you just can’t start him over Beno (and his 5 year $32M contract). It sucks that sports can be political this way, but we don’t want Beno turning into another K9. Hopefully we can draft a great PG this year and make Beno expendable (remember, we paid him as much as we did because other teams wanted him). But I can’t imagine Beno not being the starter as long as he is healthy.

by furious.d on Dec 17, 2008 7:05 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Update

Kenny Natt has already lost the troops, if he ever had them in the first place.

This team does not trust one another, let alone Kenny Natt. And he’s not doing himself any favors with his substitution patterns (Donte Greene covering Ray Allen????). It’s little wonder that nobody knows their role on this team.

You look at other teams, and they bring the basics. For example, Brad Miller is covering Jermaine O’Neal with Bosh out of the game with foul trouble, and nobody is doubling O’Neal when he goes to the rack. So they milk O’Neal until you take that away by doubling. And if you take it away, they go to Plan B (a Bargnani 3?), then C (a Kapono 3?), then D (some creativity from Calderon?), then Plan E (OK, Parker, go ahead and hoist one). And they execute around simple values and concepts.

The Kings, on the other hand, have no plan A, no core go-to scheme. So you get a cold Spencer Hawes jacking up a three ball in crunch time of a winnable ballgame against the Raptors when he’s cold as ice and hasn’t shot a three all game.

And now Kenny Natt has them counting passes before they take a shot. Brilliant.

How about this: everyone develop one shot or aspect of their game, maybe two tops, and we take the first good shot that’s available.

Last point: these bigs and young players we have so much of our future planned around are starting to look lost because we are jerking their chain. Give them some steady playing time and a clearcut role, run some plays for them, treat them with the care they deserve.

"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."

by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 29, 2008 1:20 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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