The New Coach Of Your Sacramento Kings
by section214 on Dec 17, 2008 11:35 PM PST
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Geoff Petrie has given you permission to hire the new coach, but he must start tomorrow. Choosing from the list on the poll -
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Flip Saunders
I know, I know, he’s had troubles in the playoffs, but so did Addelman.
I don’t think we need another big mouth coach like Theus (ala Avery Johnson).
I’m also not big at ALL on Eddie Jordan. The last time he coached this team, the Kings had one of the worst records in the league. Also, Jordan’s coaching record says a lot. He has a .452 winning % and only half of his career has he achieved over .500. Do we REALLY need the coach that had a 1-10 record, just before he was fired? I view Jordan as a downgrade over Theus, even.
So, I’d pick between Saunders and Van Gundy. I’d give the slight edge over Saunders, though, due to his ability to create cohesive line-ups that work well together, plus he’s an offense minded coach. His .597 career winning % isn’t that bad, either.
So in that case
Why bother with Avery Johnson?
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Other
I don’t see anyone on that list who is Sacramento Kings coaching material unless we’re trying to stay mired in mediocrity for the next decade. Not that some of those guys aren’t decent, but I am looking for greatness.
D’Antoni when available would have been a great pick. Find me someone like that when they are suddenly on the market. In the meantime, stick with Natt.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 18, 2008 5:46 AM PST reply actions
Not that anybody cares
But it’s snowing again for the 2nd time in 5 days. And Spencer Hawes is missing the chance to sled down Queen Anne Hill.
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Why Not
Stay with Kenny Natt for now and then see at the end of the year.
I have a question for everybody (because I don’t know the answer): Did Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, Rick Adelman and Jerry Sloan become great coaches in their first stints as head coach? How many times were they fired from head coaching jobs before they coached their first championship contending team?
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Pat Riley won a title his first season as the head man (with the Lakers)
in 1982. But he coached a short stint previously. Phil Jackson went to the ECF his first year with the Bulls, and won the title (against the Lakers—and Mike Dunleavy SR) in 91. Adelman went to the NBA finals in 1990, and replaced Mike Schuler in 1989, some games into the season, and I don’t remember how many off the top of my head, and I believe the 89 90 season was his 2nd at the helm. (In fact I know it was. But it was his first full season if you want to put it that way.) Popovich’s start to his head coaching career is pretty famous, and to top the list off, yes Jerry Sloan, too, replaced Frank Layden some games into the season.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
I take that back
I was thinking of Jerry West who coached a short stint in the 70’s. Riley’s first head man job was in the 1981 82 season, when he replaced Paul Westhead 4 games into the season. (Yes, Magic did get Westhead fired. Yes, Jerry Buss made that decision.)
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OK
Then my next question: Since all these “great” coaches basically led a team to championship contention in their first head coaching job, then why should the Kings hire somebody like Jordan, Saunders or Avery Johnson? It seems to me the best coaches in the world didn’t jump from team to team every few years. Maybe the Kings should look for an assistant coach that is coaching somewhere that may be the next great Phil Jackson, Sloan or Popovich. I understand that those coaches could have gotten lucky and take over for teams that were talented, but still, the track record is that a great coach doesn’t get fired often.
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As an aside
Didn’t Avery lead his team to championship contention in his first stint? Maybe he’s not as bad as some think.
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No thanks
Yeah, the first season (he, too, took over during the season from Don Nelson) he started coaching was in 04 05, and the Mavs got to the 2nd round. The first “full” year (like Adelman) he went to the Finals.
But with all that said, Avery is not what this team needs. It’s what the Maloof’s mouth off about, but Avery also had an owner willing to spend to create a system that fit what Avery wanted to do. And look where that got the Mavs? (I’m not a fan of Avery Johnson, never really have been, and not really now.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
I hear you
Would you want Jerry Sloan as Kings coach? Avery is very similar. Personally, I want whatever coach the Kings need. You say he isn’t what the Kings need but I don’t know for sure what they need. We had Muss. He was not respected. Next was Theus. He was a nice guy but not a disciplinarian. The Kings did nothing under him. When was the last time this team had a coach that got in peoples faces and benched players when they made mistakes? I am starting to think that what soft players need is a coach like Sloan to come in and TELL them what they need to do. Not ask them. I think Avery could be the guy. I don’t know.
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Yes I'd want Jerry Sloan as the coach of the Kings
I disagree about Theus. He irked people with his practice schedule (like Amick wrote about today—he also was annoyed cuz it meant extra road time for Sam), and in general, he irked people. These guys didn’t like what he had to say dalt, and in the end, while I don’t care that Reggie was fire d (better for Reggie’s long term coaching prospects becuz now he’s a martyr), I do think the players expecting to be coddled is a problem.
I don’t like Avery, and I don’t like his use of matchup’s. I didn’t feel he hurt the Mavs chances at winning a ring; I felt his coaching is why they lost the 06 finals. (You don’t double a fading Shaq to let Wade shoot all he wants. You do the exact opposite.) When Avery got bounced out of the 1st round in 07, that only cemented how I felt about him. Avery Johnson is one of the most over hyped/over talked about head coaches, whose praise was entirely internal. I always respected Avery as a player, but as a coach, he always seemed over matched.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
The exception to the rule
being Larry Brown who took, what, 20 something years to get a championship? The point is that there are early and late bloomers and it doesn’t make sense to me to unduly focus on one or the other. The Maloof’s have thrown the dice twice now on finding an early bloomer “great” head coach and have come up snake eyes twice in a row.
Larry Brown couldn't get along with anybody long enough to get a championship
He was lucky that Detroit peaked at the right time in order to win one. (They also got lucky playing the Lakers, but that’s neither here or there.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
LOL
I’m not sure you can “luck” into an NBA championship.
Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?
Brown came pretty close
Gets hired to lead a team that went to the Conference finals and then is improved through trade during the season. He won a championship with someone else’s team.
by Deleran on Dec 18, 2008 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Bingo & rec'd for saying what I was getting at
(I’m not a fan of Larry Brown either, btw.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
How do you explain Philly,
or the fact that he’s coached 9 NBA teams and has only had a losing record with Isiah’s Knicks and Michael’s Bobcats. And he has had four stints of 3 seasons or more with the same team, this is the NBA, where three years is an accomplishment not an embarrassment.
And one more thing, have the pistons replicated their feat since Brown left? The way salmons holds him in high regard should mean something. All that being said im for Flip or Eddie.
by passionforPERPS on Dec 18, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
OH lets all lay down for Massah Brown
He’s the only guy ever to win a title with a NCAA team (Kansas 88) and the NBA (Detroit 2004). Who gives a shit! HE couldn’t get along with anybody for a long period of time because he’s a me first guy, and always has been. He stayed in Philly for so long because Ed Snider is a dope and let him have his way for such a long time.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
He's probably overrated
But I think you’ve got him down in Mike Dunleavy territory…lol
Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?
While I'm not arguing Brown is as bad as Dunleavy
I’m saying the reason he never stuck around anywhere cuz he don’t get along with anybody. It’s not like I’m the only one to say this; people who back him consistently say it.
The thing with Ed Snider was, that he really loved Larry. But even he couldn’t take him after awhile.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Wow, Larry Brown is over-rated?
He is not the coach he once was – the spit sandwich he got from NY Knicks – yes I know I would eat it too for $40 Million NOT to coach demoralized him. Prior to that, he was allowed to be Travelin’ LB because it was widely acknowledged he is a great basketball mind and a great coach. You can’t go from place to place and demand top dollar on hype alone. But that was then, this is now. Further, it has nothing to do with the Kings.
I would like to see Tom Thibodeau if we insist on defense ( no way Boston lets him go, he is Tex Winter of defense for that team). Otherwise, Eddie Jordan seems a nice match for GP and no system works unless GM and Head Coach are on the same page. Who does Jason Levein want?
by betweentheeyes on Dec 19, 2008 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
Who does Geoff Petrie want?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Thibodeau
would set the Kings in a very strong direction. I highly doubt he’d leave the Celtics to take the job in Sacramento at this juncture though…
Mario Elie would bring many of the same strengths.
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
Laying down for Massah Brown
and disagreeing that he got lucky on two counts, playing the lakers and having a team peak at the right time is absurd, i even said id take two of the other coaches before him. Do you think that them peaking maybe had something to do with Brown being there and lucky to go against Kobe and Shaq, are you slow, he broke up the last real dynasty in the NBA?!?! Ed Sniders dopiness was repaid with a trip to the finals, how many other coaches have taken Iverson to the finals. I understand he doesnt get a long with people but hes been goddamn successful in this league.
by passionforPERPS on Dec 19, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
You're also an idiot
And since you don’t know any better, I won’t hold it against you.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
and youre just an internet instigator
who feels the only way to cope with the greater world is by being the biggest presence on str, I wont hold it against you because as ive said before, i know youd be much more polite in person.
by passionforPERPS on Dec 20, 2008 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
NO I wouldn't
And I’ve told you that before. In fact I’d tell you go to fuck yourself. But you’re right. I’m a bitch, an asshole, a punk, a loser, a fat dipshit who has no life. And? Your point is?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
This never would had happened had Billy Donovan not leave Orlando
Hence costing the Kings Stan Van Gundy. He definitely was the best coach for the Kings at that time and is good at developing young players. Hedo had his best year under Van Gundy, Dwight Howard became even more of a stud, Dwyane Wade became a superstar under Van Gundy. Van Gundy put players in a position to succeed, most notable example was Damon Jones and got the best out of him. Players overachieve under Van Gundy.
However with him not on the market, I think Eddie Jordan is the way to go for the Kings, not because of Princeton, even though that is a plus.
BOOK IT!
When do we
Pull the trigger on Natt as a coach is my question?
When he goes on a 7,8,9,10 game losing streak? I mean I hope that does not happen. But when does out Franchise move on from another ineffective Head Coach. And when does the long term replacement come into play? Maybe at the first of the year?
What do you think?
And as for me I have always liked the Van Gundy brothers. I think they are great coaches who really get a lot out of their players.
That being said Jeff Van Gundy is not what we need here.
I would be happy with Saunders OR Jordan but I would want them to fill out the staff with competent assistant coaches.
If we wait till the end of the year I would be interested to see who becomes available.
As always Petrie/Maloofs will come out of left field with someone.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Dec 18, 2008 10:08 AM PST reply actions
Never
Hes a freaking interim head coach. Unless you line up a long term solution, firing Natt for another interim coach would be beyond stupid.
that is
exactly what i am saying. When do you pull the trigger on the interim to go for a long-term solution? Or maybe when do you start looking for your long-term solution? When Natt goes on a LONG losing streak?
Not fire one interim for another.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Dec 18, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
The problem I have with Flip and Avery
Is that they’ve had teams flat out quit on them. The last thing we need right now is another coach that the players are gonna quit on. That’s why I voted JVG, he’s always had a good relationship with his players as far as I’m aware.
by Deleran on Dec 18, 2008 12:08 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I Love
Van Gundy as well, I am just not sure that we have the personel to implement what he likes to do.
Grind-It-Out-Smashmouth-Basketball… We may have SOME players who would fit in his system (Salmons/Garcia/Thompson/Williams) but I do not think that Petrie would hire someone like him UNLESS he were to have an offensive minded assistant (ala Pete Carill) and JVG really allowed that offensive system to shine. But IMO that goes against everything JVG has stressed as a coach in NY and Houston.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Dec 18, 2008 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
PS
Totally agree with the comment on Avery and Saunders… the Mavs quit on the Lil’ General and Saunders lost his team in Minnesota AND Detroit.
However, i think our current roster would look better under flip.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Dec 18, 2008 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
JVG's style of basketball
has got to be the most boring style watch. I’d rather watch Popovich’s teams than JVG’s teams.
I don't like JVG as a coach either; never have really
But he was generally successful in both stops he’s made. I prefer SVG myself, and that’s largely because of his first season in Miami with Odom and Wade where the team greatly overachieved after a start that was worse than what the KIngs have gotten off to this year.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
sorry.
pookey wrong reply.
I love both of the Van Gundy brothers I think they are both great coaches.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Dec 18, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
Personally
I have always loved the smashmouth-grind-it-out type of basketball… perfect defense. It really is Basketball at it’s finest IMO.
That and the Princeton offense.
I also like to watch San Antonio ball when it is on.
Im not a big fan of fast break up and down ball it just feels like pick-up games, and if i wanted to watch pickup ball i would film myself and re-watch it later. Or just go to the park.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Dec 18, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Then you have never watched a Mike Fratello coached team
I love JVG as an announcer and no one works harder to succeed. My stomach gets ulcer pains just looking at him on the bench. He is not, IMO, GP compatible. System, System, System. (GM + Head Coach = System)
by betweentheeyes on Dec 19, 2008 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
I have
watched a lot of Fratello ball, and JVG, and Hubie Brown, And LB, AND Pop.
And I love the grind-it-out protect the ball style.
That being said, I do not believe that I said JVG would be a good fit for our roster.
Blessings.Love.Peace
by lifestyleforthesellout on Dec 19, 2008 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
I'm thinking it may not matter
who the coach is right now. You can’t make a sow’s ear out of a turnip, or something like that.
You can
But the pig isn’t going to hear a word that you say.
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by section214 on Dec 18, 2008 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh my
You have the case of the funnies today. :P
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