Team Dynamics and Patience
Play the Kids!!
Its the warcry around here. Everyone loves them and is excited for their future, including me. I'm going to argue though that benching Brad Miller and/or Mikki Moore aren't the right move right now. You guys can start sharpening the knives and finding rocks to throw now.

The first consideration for playing the youth is Kevin Martin, the guy we're all hoping will grow into the leader of the team, its centerpiece. Kevin paid his dues. He got 10 minutes a night as a rookie behind Cuttino Mobley, and 26 minutes a night in year two behind Bonzi Wells. Think about Cuttino Mobley trying to defend even a raw Kevin Martin in practices; consider Bonzi doing the same. I never was at a practice, but I have to think Kevin was destroying them routinely while also getting torched on defense. My point is, he must have looked pretty good in practice, just as JT and Hawes do now. But he still earned his minutes, and Theus has to consider the impact of handing minutes to the young guys when Martin earned his. Probably Kevin isn't the kind of guy that would care...probably. It is a legit concern though.
JT
22,19,24,30,25,11,19,41,34,22,34,34,31,35,31,18,13,23,18 AVG: 25.6
The above is the log of JTs minutes so far this year. His first few games, he showed a lot, and was handed a lot of minutes, the last five games he's gotten less. He's deserved less minutes the last five games. He exploded onto the scene, was given what he deserved, now opponents are adjusting and he's had a lot of rookie moments lately. Its ok, I'm not dogging him for having them, but he needs to work through them now. The best way to work through them isn't logging 35 minutes a night of frustration. He needs to work through them by having success in shorter minutes. When he's playing better he'll get longer minutes.
I guess I think people are looking at things backwards when they say Mikki should play less. Mikki's minutes should be a function of JT's development, essentially Mikki gets the minutes JT isn't ready for yet. The important thing is the development of JT. He will develop best, in my opinion, by getting the right number of minutes, not as many as possible. When JT deserves more minutes, then Mikki should play less, until then we as fans suffer. Be patient though, he'll get there.
Look at it this way, when the opponent scouts the Kings, what's the report look like? They turn it over a lot, don't defend the three, get out on Hawes/Miller, blah, blah blah. The only thing of note on these reports I bet is the book being developed on JT. The bad guys are making the book, now we need to put JT in his best position to succeed. To me, the biggest disservice this year has been giving JT minutes at 3. When he plays 4, he's quicker than almost everyone he plays against, longer/taller than many and looks really good. At 3, he's exposed because he doesn't have the footspeed 3s have and is not used to being run through screens all night and getting out on shooters. Stop the madness! Let JT be a quick big man rather than a slow small forward please.
Hawes
Spencer has been a revelation this year. His situation is different than JT because Brad Miller actually brings something to the table. Miller is actually in Hawes' way, where I don't think Mikki is for JT. Miller plays the game the way Petrie and I expect Reggie want it to go. He needs to play to give identity to the team. Now at some point, we're going to need to transition from Miller's top of the key control of the game to Hawes' mid post game. I just think we're not there yet. Spencer's getting almost 30 minutes a game. That seems about right to me, eventually Miller will be traded or moved to backup center and Hawes' minutes will grow to 34-36, assuming he can learn to stay on the floor and out of foul trouble.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Mikki needs to be parked
I guess I think people are looking at things backwards when they say Mikki should play less. Mikki’s minutes should be a function of JT’s development, essentially Mikki gets the minutes JT isn’t ready for yet. The important thing is the development of JT. He will develop best, in my opinion, by getting the right number of minutes, not as many as possible. When JT deserves more minutes, then Mikki should play less, until then we as fans suffer. Be patient though, he’ll get there.
I agree that JT’s development is the paramount concern here…but I’d rather see Shelden Williams get Mikki’s minutes. There is no reason for Mikki to be ahead of Shelden on the depth chart. Not to say Shelden is any great shakes, but I’d rather watch him play than a known quantity like Mikki, and I’d dare say he gives the team a better chance to win on a nightly basis.
"Don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet the sweaty stuff." - My Dad, confusing me at a very young age.
by otis29 on
Dec 2, 2008 9:36 AM PST
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I think a combination of Mikki & Brad to Miami for Shawn Marion would work
Assuming Miami is willing to do that type of deal.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Dec 2, 2008 11:41 AM PST
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I also agree with your points about Shelden being ahead of Mikki
It’s time to let this whole veteran nonsense go.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Dec 2, 2008 11:42 AM PST
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I agree
Personally, I throw Shelden into the Mikki “this guy is irrelevant in the big picture” group, but if some aren’t convinced of that yet, that’s fine with me. My main point is JT should get the minutes he deserves and everyone else gets the rest. Who “everyone else” is, doesn’t matter to me.
by ForThree on
Dec 2, 2008 11:42 AM PST
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the way i see it
there’s a .1% chance that Shelden could play his way into the “relevant in the big picture” group, which is infinitely more than Mikki’s 0.00% chance.
by Viliphied on
Dec 2, 2008 12:49 PM PST
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I agreed - until the end
Where I agree:
JT should NOT be starting, he’s just not ready, has hit the rookie ‘wall’ and is frustrated. Overplaying his frustartion and cementing in his rookie dificiencies is a mistake. he needs time to process and progress, significant minutes yes, starting minutes, no. Lastly, your point on his minutes at the 3 spot being counterproductive are I think entirely correct. This rosters lack of depth at the 2/3 should not be used to force him into an untenable position. That lack of deth should be adddressed soon though through a trade of MM to ?, Dallas perhaps for Stackhouse? Just a thought.
Where I disagree:
Hawes should be given a real chance to start at PF. His play has evolved to the point that he can use those minutes constuctively. I put up a poll on what hawes’ future position really is, at PF or Center, with mixed response.
Whatever the future may be, after watching him, I do think he gives us our best chance at the PF position NOW. He’s much more athletic than he appeared last year. The mismatches created against him i think are easily balanced by the increased scoring and mismatches he creates.
I think the team needs to move MM, not BMiller, to clear minutes for both hawes and JT – as well as SWilliams who I think can / does contribute a different look and offensive problem off the bench and at least potentially, has a future.
rec’d by the way
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by lietothegirls on
Dec 2, 2008 11:31 AM PST
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You make a lot of sense
To me, the difference between PF and C in the modern NBA is pretty inconsequential. I’m ok with Hawes playing either. Hawes is getting 30 minutes a night already though, so I’m not sure what there is to complain about, other than the last two games where he got 20 and 21 minutes. Against Utah, I don’t have a reasonable answer for 20 minutes, but last game against Dallas we was 3-10, with 4 TOs in his 20 minutes, though the rebounds and blocked shots were there, so I can see Reggie being frustrated with him.
I agree Spencer should be getting about 30 minutes a game at one of the power positions. I’d also like to see some more of the focus put on him, running the offense through him down low when he’s in. I guess my point is, Spencer doesn’t need more minutes, he needs the team to pay more attention to him on offense when he is in, and yes if he plays reasonably well, 20 minutes a night is too few, he should be getting about 30.
by ForThree on
Dec 2, 2008 11:53 AM PST
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good points
especially about the team looking for him more on offense.
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Its true, on most teams that don’t have a real stud at Center (very few do) the positions can be interchangeable depending on match-ups.
Hawes is part of the future (MM isn’t) – and more than that, seems READY to get starter minutes to me. I’m not interested in counting those minutes either though. Sure, he’ll struggle occasionally but he seems ready to make adjustments and deal with that.
JT isn’t there yet (not suprisingly).
I don’t think the team is ready to live without BMiller yet.
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by lietothegirls on
Dec 2, 2008 1:57 PM PST
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