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The Curious Case Of Gerald Wallace

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A pre-emptive thanks to the thread jockey’s here at StR, who provided the inspiration (and much of the material) for the following post –

I’m not advocating for Wallace (not sure I want him to be honest), just pointing out that in any deal that the Kings could get significantly better in, there will be a lot of risk. - smgmatt

Conjecture is conjecture, and as of this moment that is all that the Brad Miller for Gerald Wallace trade talk is – conjecture. It has no more basis than the Miller to Chicago rumors, or the Douby to the Knicks rumors, or the Bibby to the Cavaliers rumors. It’s all a guess, a goof, a wish and a dream, up until the time that Geoff Petrie determines that he has the right deal in his hands. Until then, it gives us something to think about, write about, debate about. It takes our minds off of double digit losses and injured key players.

But the Gerald Wallace talk is different, because Gerald Wallace himself is…different. He was drafted a Sacramento King, but his greatest accomplishment here was a runner up finish in a slam dunk contest. Wallace sounded like Barry White but shot it like Betty White while he was here, and he wrapped up his three years in Sacramento averaging about 3 pts. and 2 boards per game, mired behind wing players named Peja Stojakovic, Doug Christie, Hedo Turkoglu, Jim Jackson, Anthony Peeler. He ranked 10th/11th/11th in minutes over his three year stay, the bi-product of being a project player on a championship contending team.

The Kings lost in the 2004 Western Conference semi-finals to the Minnesota Timberwolves 3 games to 4, with three of those losses coming by four points or less. With that as a backdrop, the Kings decided to protect the core rotation and expose Wallace in the 2004 expansion draft. It did not take Charlotte long to determine that they had the time to develop a project player, and they snatched Wallace up.

Guys, Wallace is very versatile…I can say with certainty that Wallace would average 18/8/4/2/2 without taking away from any other players. – Doubl3Dos3

Tossing out G-Dub’s first year in Charlotte, he has gone on to average 17.5 pts. on 12.8 shots, 7.0 rebs., 2.2 stls., and 1.2 blks. over the past 3+ years. His assist/turnover ratio is about 1/1. For comparison sake, John Salmons this year is at 19.9 on 14.9/3.6/1.1/0.2, with about a 3/2 assist to turnover ratio. Wallace is a versatile baseline to baseline player, though one could question why a high flyer feels the need to toss up two 3-pointers per game when he barely averages 30% from the arc lifetime.

Remember the chants of “Wallace” @ ARCO? Reminded me of a scene from Braveheart. – avishai

This is what makes Wallace so different from (say) Tyrus Thomas. The ability to reminisce, even if there is little to reminisce about. How can we really applaud GP for the prudent selection of Wallace (selected with the 25th pick of the 2001 draft) if we never benefited from it? Bring the kid back, so that we may drink from the chalice that is the brilliance of Geoff Petrie. Have (some of us) ever pined for a player this way? We may miss a guy like Hedo a little, but he did contribute here before leaving via a trade that made sense for the franchise at the time, netting us the 2nd coming of Vlade in Brad Miller at the time. Wallace is different, the opportunity to cash a long misplaced check.

People who suffer concussions become more susceptible to them, and each one creates a greater possibility of doing real damage. – Mucho Moss

Gerald Wallace has missed 12, 27, 10 and 20 games over the past four years, plus another four so far this year. That’s about 21% games missed. As a member of a fan base that has seen their past and present crushed by injuries, it has to make one nervous to bank its future on such an injury prone player. This in no way is to label Wallace as soft, as that is in no way, shape or form the case. It is his style of play that makes him a high injury risk, and if you change that style of play, you change Gerald Wallace, and not for the better.

Cap space is flexibility. – High Tops                                      

G-Dub is not really going to make the Kings that much better. Donté Greene? Now let’s have a conversation about that cat first (You know, since, like, the Kings already have him on the roster?). - pookeyguru

The acquisition of Wallace and his salary probably takes you out of the Carlos Boozer sweepstakes next year, but it would set you up pretty good at the wings for next few years, with Wallace, Martin, Garcia and Greene making a combined $29 million in 2011-12. That does leave you some coin to spend up front or at PG. On the other hand, do you want to commit that kind of cash to Wallace (even with him being a fair to good value) when your deepest talent lies at the wings and your roster needs help everywhere else?

Wallace is a tremendously entertaining and talented player, but I wouldn’t have signed him to a 4 year, $40 million deal before this season. I won’t be pissed if Petrie trades for him, but I wouldn’t make that trade myself. - Carl

Rec’d! Carl’s comments mirror how I felt when we made the Artest for Peja deal. I wouldn’t have done it, but I wasn’t pissed at the deal and I supported it almost immediately. Desperate times call for desperate measures, right? And Gerald Wallace risk is not Ron Artest risk (kind of like going into the pool less than 30 minutes after eating is less risky than surfing in shark infested waters). I do not advocate the Miller for Wallace trade, nor do I detest it.

To recap, this is the third post (including fanshot) on a deal that will most likely never happen. But I found the back story here fascinating and the thread comments inspired. It is a microcosm of what makes being a Kings fan so special/great/painful/torturous/unique.


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Yep, I don't understand this Wallace talk

How does it improve the Kings? Why bring in Wallace when we already have Salmons? The Bee article makes the Kings seem pathetic as it’s mentioned Larry Brown does not even like Miller.

I liked Wallace back in the day and thought he was grossly misunderstood by Adelman but today he simply does not fit.

by KingsFan on Dec 21, 2008 2:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Quick answers

How Wallace improves the team over Salmons:

1) Defense. Wallace is better. Salmons is currently the best on the team, but Wallace is one of the best wing defenders in the league.

2) Rebounding. Wallace is tons better. We had mentioned prior that a Shock and Hawes-led Kings team can be a great rebounding team … if the small forward is a good rebounder for his position. Wallace is definitely a good enough rebounder to get the Kings there — it’d be up to Thompson and Hawes to maintain current standards long-term (and the same for Wallace).

Those are two huge problems for the Kings. Wallace could be part of the long-term solution, assuming he doesn’t get knocked out of the league in the interim.

Still, I hear everyone’s concerns. I’m just saying this isn’t all nostalgia. He’s become a helluva player.

by Ziller on Dec 21, 2008 3:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

and 1

3) With a Wallace acquisition, Salmons becomes immensely more available and brings in another piece.

The market for Miller is limited to teams that can match his salary and actually want him (cap space, passing big, center upgrade for a playoff run, etc.) . . . but the market for Salmons (an affordable starting SF) is much larger, and thus give more options in trade.

by smgmatt on Dec 21, 2008 6:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

who is coming for equal or better value of $5.1M per ?

Salmons’ market is also limited for what you get back. Not a starter, probably a project and/or draft pick and/or a salary dump. Salmons is worth more to this team than that. Also, when your best (playing) player is traded, what message are you sending?

I am assuming that GP/JL and co. are trying to ship K9 with Miller, but may not be possible.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 21, 2008 6:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully

If Wallace does come here for Miller without K9 being involved, maybe the Kings package Salmons with k9 to get a player of worth?

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by dalt99 on Dec 21, 2008 6:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

smgmatt

I concure,
Salmons would bring in a lot paired with MM expiring/buyout. The question is what would we want back and is GP willing to take the chance at turning this team upside down – and why give up a guy who’s so affordable?

And do we want GW back for 4 years?
He’s exciting, it might help put asses in the seats….

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 21, 2008 10:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He'd fill the seats for 1 game.

Then after our front line scores a total of 14 pts and we get blown out by 30, the seats would go empty again.

The improvement at the 3 won’t make up for the decline at Center with a big rotation consisting of Hawes, MM, & Shelden.

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by HighTops on Dec 23, 2008 1:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't really advocating

just musing…

I think you need an All-Star or potential All-Star back if you trade Salmons – otherwise why do it? He’s too effective and affordable. Because of those things I think its incredibly unlikely that GP moves Salmons.

A question, does Utah even want Boozer back at this point?

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 23, 2008 10:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure they want him back, but...

I know that earlier in the year the owner said that he wasn’t going to pay the Luxury Tax. So, with so many contracts needing to be renewed, there going to have to make some hard choices.

They have 5 players who’s contracts next year total $37.8M. Boozer has a player option for $12.3M, Okur has an ETO for $9.5M, and Korver has an ETO for $5.3M. So, if no one exercises their option, Utah will pay 8 players $71.4M. That doesn’t include Milsap who makes $798K this year and will expect to get a hugh raise. Plus at least 3 more players just to make up the 12 man roster.

So, they’ll probably have to let Boozer walk just to resign Millsap and to fill their roster, and they still might not get under the Luxury Tax.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 23, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There is no guarantee Korver will exercise his ETO

He might, but then again, in 2010, most teams will have a lot of positions to fill. Including Utah perhaps. It might be to Korver’s benefit just to be able wait until 2010 to get a new contract. (And that’s just one example.)

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by pookeyguru on Dec 23, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably what Utah's hoping for is that he does

But, either way they won’t be able to stay under the Luxury Tax and sign Millsap & the rest or the roster. So, even if he does opt out, they still need to let someone else walk too. Boozer? Okur?

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 23, 2008 10:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I don't know about that either

According to DX, the Jazz have got 62.21 million committed in salary with all the options. If Boozer opts out, and they pay Millsap, they’ll still have the other players. I’m also not sure that Okur would actually opt out until he’s sure he can get more money. After all, this was a huge contract for him. And again, while I think the salary cap will go down, it won’t go down to the point where the Jazz will be likely to sniff luxury tax anytime soon.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 24, 2008 5:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They exercised option on Brewer so $65M

I’m color blind & included Harpring, but that’s still $65M for 8 players not including Millsap using the DX figures. How much do you think it will take to resign Millsap? At least the MLE which puts them over the Luxury Tax with a 9 man roster. Then add the salaries for at least 4 & maybe 5 more players, at probably $6M to $10M more?

What ever the end amount is, they’re going to have to lose someone to stay under the Luxury Tax. And, they won’t be able to trade so they’ll get nothing in return. UNLESS they find someone with Cap Space who can take on the full salary & give them draft choices in return.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 24, 2008 8:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get it

DX includes all the options HT. I’m going to add everything up myself, and I’ll get back to you.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 24, 2008 8:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay

I think it’s a guarantee Boozer will opt out. So that takes his # off the cap. But total salary assuming all options are exercised by everybody is nearly 73.5 million (73.455 mil to be closer to exact).

But, Harpring has a non guaranteed contract, and I’m sure it’s something similar to Moore’s contract. Whether the Jazz exercise it or not is one thing, but let’s say half his contract will be paid if they cut him. He’s probably looking at 3.7 million. But let’s make it an even 4 mil to be conservative, and over guestimate to elminate as much margin of error as possible.

I’m also going to assume that Boozer opts out, and Korver/Okur do not. I’m gong to guess that the Jazz will keep Fasenko, and I’m also assuming they’ve exercised Almond’s option. I’m also going to assume they’ve exercised Brewer’s as well.

Calculating all those players salaries (to the tune of what I’ve assumed above—and I did calculate Williams hefty extension in—and kept Korver/Okur at their current salaries) I got around 58.7 million (I rounded up to 58.7), and that’s before you get to MIllsap.

Let’s assume for a moment that the salary cap drops 2 million, and the luxury tax drops the same 2 million (which is what will happen) from the current levels, that means you’re going to have a luxury tax threshold of 69.15 million or so. I think the Jazz will be okay re-signing Millsap, and then re-signing everybody else along the line at some point. How they do it is up to them, but who knows? It’s very doable if they let Boozer walk. If they don’t, there’s no point in even wondering if they can. (And I’m pretty sure they’ll just let Boozer walk.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 24, 2008 8:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

That’s what I said in the beginning

So, they’ll probably have to let Boozer walk just to resign Millsap and to fill their roster, and they still might not get under the Luxury Tax.

Now I know you’ve questioned whether or not Miami would go after Boozer, but by letting Marion’s contract expire, they are the prime candidate to sign Boozer. Also, earlier when Boozers kid was sick, he asked to be traded to Miami. His kids better now, but there’s always a chance for a relaps, so I can see him still wanting the trade.

And, that’s why I believe the Miller/Marion trade will never happen.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom

by HighTops on Dec 24, 2008 6:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

I think that’s a virtual guarantee they’ll do everything they can to get Boozer this off-season. Since Boozer has a home there, it’s probably virtually guaranteed HT. And who in the world would rather have Brad Miller than Carlos Boozer?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 25, 2008 11:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Btw HT

Here’s the elongated post I wrote on SLC Dunk, for them, and I suppose Kings fans here. It’s not really a take on what they will do, but how money effects their situation. I think it’s a bit more accurate than anything I wrote above.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 24, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well Technically...

The trade-off would be Salmons-Moore-Miller’s rebounds (or even Salmons-Hawes-Miller) for Wallace-Thompson-Hawes’ rebounds.

Using 2008 “Per Game” Stats:
Salmons (3.6) + Moore (3.9) + Miller (7.6) = 15.1
Salmons (3.6) + Hawes (7.4) + Miller (7.6) = 18.6
Wallace (7.7) + Thompson (6.8) + Hawes (7.4) = 21.9

Miller is the best rebounder on a “per game” basis for the Kings, but the change is fairly significant with a Miller-for-Wallace trade . . . so yes, the Kings would be trading Salmons’ boards for Wallace’s.

You may also have noted that Wallace (7.7) even beats Miller (7.6) head-to-head at the moment, but that’s beside my actual point.

by smgmatt on Dec 21, 2008 8:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to argue


Dude’s money. Oh yeah.

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by section214 on Dec 21, 2008 8:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Also

Wallace may have been in the league longer, but he’s actually two and a half years younger than John. Gerald’s not much older than Kevin, so it’s easy to imagine the two manning our wing spots for the long term (obligatory injury concerns aside, of course). John is playing out of his mind right now, but what happens to the stats when Martin comes back, we get a real PG next year, we start to run the offense through Spencer and Jason, etc…

by LPKingsFan on Dec 21, 2008 3:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

And

while I still prefer the Tyrus Thomas deal, I would probably prefer the Wallace (and a subsequent Salmons deal) to no deal.

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by section214 on Dec 21, 2008 3:55 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

True that... that deal is better than no deal at this point

At the same time, if we get Wallace we would have to ship out Salmons ASAP. No point of having them together for any period of time. Sucks because of the way Johnny’s been playing lately but for that exact reason he is our best trade asset (even better than Brad). He’s killing it right now, and we should be able to get some good things back. Not only that but we may also be able to package him with K-9.

by eduardo_m7 on Dec 21, 2008 5:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

my two concerns

(1) how productive (points, steals, blocks, rebounds, etc.) is G-Dub when hospitalized?

(2) what is the opportunity cost of trading Miller for G-Dub? Meaning, what else could we have done to improve our team more, and what else could we be doing with G-Dub’s excessive salary dollars?

I don’t think G-Dub is the wisest investment.

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by Holmdel on Dec 21, 2008 5:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

plusses and minuses

Wallace vs. Salmons:
Wallace
1. Better rebounder (7.7 vs. 3.6)
2. Very good at steals (2.0 vs. 1.1)
3. Younger (26 vs. 29)
4. More athletic (more exciting?)
5. Better shot blocker (.88 vs. .22)
6. Better defender?
7. Better nickname (G-Dub)
8. Better scorer (21.1 pts per 15 shots vs. 20.0 pts per 15 shots)

Salmons
1. Better 3-pt. shooter (42% vs. 23)
2. Cheaper (5.1 million/season vs. 9.5 million)
2. Better FG (50.4% vs. 45.1%)
3. Better playmaker (3.2 assists vs. 2.2 assists)
4. Better assist/TO rating
5. Better season so far.
6. Better facial hair (OK, that’s debatable)

Who’s better overall? You be the judge.

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by dalt99 on Dec 21, 2008 5:57 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Forgot

Salmons is also less injury prone

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by dalt99 on Dec 21, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

/applaud Section for the GeeDub trade synopsis

nicely styled – rec’d.

I agree with Eduardo – you add a player – debatably better – at the highest spot on the team, with a plan that you can make some great trade for Salmons the next day. If it were me, I would want Salmons on my team more than MIller (think we all agree) so if we are trading #15 I am more interested in what get for him than Brad Miller, and Salmons is relatively cheap atm.

I say debatably better because again because there are unanswerable questions – coachability and durability. Durability has been discussed plenty. However, If GWallace is $9.5M valuable and a PER/fantasy dream why is he tradable and why is he tradable for Brad Miller? The Greatest Basketaball Player Ever may be the Absentee GM but Larry Brown has seen and coached more talent than half of the GMs in the league, combined. He is willing to part with GWallace. Could be, he just doesn’t like the guy (Barry White makes him remember those awful polyester suits he wore in the 70’s) or he doesn’t fit his coaching style and they really want to pair Okafor with the Space Cowboy (A smoker, A joker and a midnight toker – don’t mess with me and the 70’s).The elephant in the room is still, WHY?

by betweentheeyes on Dec 21, 2008 6:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If it's attitude...

…that’s also why C-Webb was available for Richmond.

by smgmatt on Dec 21, 2008 6:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

one possible answer to the WHY? question

Of course! Charlotte is in North Carolina and the home of Tobacco Road – they know Miller smokes – do you think this is a sponsor inspired trade?

by betweentheeyes on Dec 21, 2008 6:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

supposedly

LB kept riding G-Dub to do the “I’m Gumby, damnit!” routine, and G-Dub finally slapped him.

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by Holmdel on Dec 21, 2008 6:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Could be just simply money

Charlotte’s pretty cheap, and they could be wishing they never signed Wallace to that $$$.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 21, 2008 10:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Larry Brown

As good a coach he is (and I do think he’s a good one), he’s usually very picky with his players. He really wants players that fit his system. Look at the J-Rich trade. No way, Diaw or Bell is a better player than J-Rich. LB just didn’t want him there. G-Dub is probably one of those players who Brown is not too very fond off. Nothing wrong with that, that’s just the Larry Brown way. Don’t forget his contract is a little too big for what he brings.

IMO the best way to do things, if this trade goes down, is trading Salmons (hopefully packaged with K-9) for an expiring and a pick or young big (to offset the loss of Brad at center). Again, there’s really no point in having both Wallace and Salmons in the team at the same time so Salmons must go now that his value is high

by eduardo_m7 on Dec 21, 2008 10:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Neither do Wallace & Playmaker

He has more turnover’s than Salmons does.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 21, 2008 10:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The BIG difference is the games played

Salmons has missed one or two games since he got here – thats outstanding!!

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 21, 2008 10:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm ambivalent

I can live with trading Miller, and I can live with that trade being for Wallace, even though it doesn’t really address one of the team’s more pressing needs. Wallace is a good player, although as he plays in the B-Jax mode, is going to spend time injured.

I guess my only real concern is that this leaves you with Hawes and Moore as the only guys who really have business playing center. JT can ostensibly play the position as Stoudamire did for PHX, but he ain’t Amare…yet. In the meantime, the lack of depth among talls (what an odd way to put it) is pretty frightening if Miller goes away.

That being said, does it really matter if they win 18 games instead of 23? I can live with it, there’s a distributor out there somewhere, Petrie will find him, draft or FA.

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by andy sims on Dec 21, 2008 10:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

ambivalent ++

JT moves to Center I think for the rebounding and SWilliams backs up with muscle..

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 21, 2008 11:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For now, wallace plays SG

(or vice versa) since Kmart seems to be never freakin’ coming back

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 21, 2008 11:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I really don't think

JT can bang with the Howard’s, Yao’s, or even Bynum’s of the league. If we ship out Brad, we have to whether in that trade or another trade (Salmons?) get a big back. Even if it’s just a big with an expiring contract.

by eduardo_m7 on Dec 21, 2008 11:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can SWilliams though?

has he really been given the chance? JT would do better than Hawes against those guys I think.

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 21, 2008 11:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mmmmm

He hasn’t had the chance so I can’t say for sure but to me JT is a power forward and he should get his reps in that position so that he can develop into the player we hope he can be. I actually think that when Hawes puts a little more muscle in his frame he’s gonna be able to hang with those guys. We’ve already seen flashes of that I think.

Shelden could probably bang with them but he doesn’t have the size to go against them and be efective. I think the best way to put Shelden in a good position is playing him along with the starters that way all he needs to worry about is banging, defending and rebounding, and doesn’t have to worry one bit about offense, cause he’s not very good at it.

by eduardo_m7 on Dec 21, 2008 11:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's strong, very strong

Off the bench I can see him banging with the big guys.

But then, he’d probably be against other teams second string bigs who are more likely to be athletic, faster, smaller types….

Thats been hiis problem I think

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2008 10:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Now we're talking

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by Holmdel on Dec 22, 2008 7:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

crazy that that trade works in the machine

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It should have a

‘are you fucking kidding me!!???’ failsafe setting.

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2008 10:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The league would approve this trade

If it involved the Lakers getting something for nothing.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Dec 22, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

truth

(you’re full of them today)

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 22, 2008 11:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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