Attacking
Beno Udrih isn't the quickest point guard in the league. In fact, he's probably the second slowest in the division, and maybe the entire conference. (Derek Fisher is slow.) As such, we don't actually expect Udrih to blow by his opponent in the halfcourt offense.
But the team has been running a ton of picks-and-rolls. And the Kings have some good ball-screeners. Brad Miller's best attribute right now might be his screening. Spencer Hawes and Jason Thompson set solid screens. Mikki Moore sets decent screens. That is not a problem. If a screen is called, a screen is generally delivered.
The standard defense against a Kings screen-roll is that the opposing big forces Udrih to make a decision: split the defenders, or go wide around the big. These days, Udrih always go wide. It might be the smart move -- we have seen myriad turnovers when trying to split the defenders. But when Udrih goes wide, he really goes wide. On most screen-rolls Monday night, Udrih had roughly three feet between himself and the big when he "turned the corner." I put that in quotes because, well, Beno never really turns the corner.
He goes so wide the corner becomes more of semi-circle. And invariably, the point guard catches up. You can only screen for so long, after all. As such, Beno is never really attacking the basket. By the time he is actually moving toward the rim, it's more of an isolation play.
Think about the infamous spin move against Kobe. Beno received a pick, but still ended up in a one-on-one situation. When is the last time we saw Beno get to the rim in the halfcourt without a spin move or crossover? Screen-rolls should be taking the place of spin moves and crossovers. They are supposed to make it easier to get to the rim, set up mismatches (on switches) or get the big open for a jumper (when both defenders chase the point guard). Beno's screen-rolls do none of those. They get Beno about two feet closer to the basket, with the opposing guard exerting maybe three extra seconds of effort.
Is it a defensive thing? Is the only good move for Beno in this situation to split the defenders? Beno's dribble can be so sloppy that you cring every time he tries to split (he almost never does it any more -- assumed to be at the direction of Reggie Theus), but that's really the only play if the big is going to hedge so wide. The other smart option would be to run screens toward the corner -- if Beno goes wide in the direction of the corner, and you have a spot-up shooter there, you figure someone can get an open shot. Particularly, running a wing pick-and-roll could be valuable with Francisco Garcia or John Salmons in the corner. Both of those players can hit the corner three or drive baseline. And we all know Beno only spins left. So set up on the right side, bring a big from the strong-side post up to pick Beno's defender, send Beno wide toward the baseline, and make a decision. Maybe Udrih can't go right in this instance -- that'd be incredibly sad if he couldn't run a pick-and-roll heading this direction, but whatever -- but it'd certainly provide better options than the screen-rolls to the middle of the floor have.
The other option, of course, is that Beno could fricking turn the corner and attack downhill. You're a strong fellow, man, and a pretty crafty finisher to boot. If you can get in front of your defender, they aren't going to block you from behind. But you need to beat them to the rim. You aren't quick enough to snap them one-on-one. Use your pick. Abuse the opponent a few times -- they'll switch the defense and perhaps send both guys at you to try to trap. That's when all these bigs who can shoot come in handy. And that's when your assist totals soar. You think all of Chris Paul's assists come on alley-oops? Come on, Peja is his favorite target. Attract attention off the screen, and the passing lanes will open up. It's sort of like magic, only not.
Beno complained earlier this season that the team runs too much of the offense through the high post. Kenny Natt has obviously tried to mix in more screen-rolls -- he's a Jerry Sloan acolyte, for goodness sake. If Beno ever wants a pick-and-roll offense in Sacramento, this is his chance. But Udrih is blowing it by refusing to attack. Bobby Brown, for all his ballhandling faults, splits the defenders. Things haven't been happening for him at that point -- Brown tends to get spooked when the shotblockers rotate; he isn't a natural passer, so he'll circle out or kick it too early or dribble in deep and throw one off the highest point of the backboard or he'll pull up (that's actually his best move). But Beno is a natural passer and does understand how to deal with shotblockers and has a decent feel for when to kick the ball to the wings. Brown is learning to become a point guard. Beno is a point guard. But he won't put himself in a position to be successful, and the team's offense has suffered immensely because of it.
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Also, free D.G.
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the kings DO NOT run any pick-and-rolls
the set picks to free the pg if it was a pick-and -roll the pg would feed the screener as they roll to the hoop, I don’t remember the last time I have seen a screener recieve a pass as they roll to the hoop, it is a shame becauce run properly it can result in easy hoops
Roll vs Pop
I think that when Brad is setting the pick, it’s almost always going to result in a Beno iso or a pick and pop. Brad is a really bad finisher and I think he’s poor (and kinda lazy) at rolling after the pick. He’s a good screener and shooter, just not a good roller. Shock and Hawes pick and roll pretty well it seems. Both were sprinting to screen and then hustling off after, whether to roll or pop. And I guess Moore screens and hustles too.
It seems like most often, whether by coach’s design or player decision, a pick results in the big popping rather than rolling. I would love to see more pick and roll, with Shock and Hawes especially.
It sure was nice to see that Shock and Salmons pick and roll last night on the baseline.
Mikki is probably the best pick and roller we have
the problem is, he’ll miss the pass as he’s rolling to the basket
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The making the basket part
I think is the most important part of being a good pick and roller. He sets nice screens and cuts hard, though.
He does
His screens are very nice and he makes it to the basket really fuckin quickly. He just can’t ever catch the pass. It’s almost as if rather than catching the pass and dunking his strategy is to barely get the ball and yell really loudly like he’s being fouled, hoping for the call.
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Beno got his deal
Now it appears we are stuck with five years of crap. Why sugarcoat it?
The guy is a future sub for us or someone and is barely good enough to start for a 7-22 team.
I hope I am wrong, because Beno teases us now and then with decent play.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 23, 2008 7:33 AM PST reply actions
Personally
I love the point of the article. But, again, I think it’s the point that without Martin around, and maybe with him, Beno isn’t nearly as good for this team as one would hope. I’m still hoping for a Mike Conley trade, but unfortunately, if that means losing John Salmons, that means Beno is still around.
Excellent write up TZ.
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I don't think Beno is going to make it as our
gold medal superstar.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
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In high school, they told us to go past the defender’s hip, and not try to go “around” the defender. Reason being, it’s much easier for the defender to move his body laterally and stay in front of you than is for him to turn 180 degrees and follow. Beno could use this simple lesson.
by sactown on Dec 23, 2008 9:25 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Nice analysis of the pick and roll options Z
I’ve been trying to figure out why that play doesn’t look clean when we run it – and I immediately see that you’re right.
He rolls too wide off the pick which both limits his ability to get free and ruins the spacing to get the ball back to the screener for the pop (as the defender pursuing him is now in the way of the pass).
This seems like something that could be fixed fairly easily (?) Unless he is unwilling to execute it properly..
Nicely described.
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
It should be this easy...
Great analysis. The really frustrating part is that to run the pick and roll properly, you don’t have to be ultra quick (although, it helps). If a solid screen is set and the pick is used properly by the ballhandler, it simply becomes a matter of reacting to what the defense gives you. Additionally, the Kings can run it with any of their bigs except Sheldon, who shouldn’t be allowed to touch the ball if he is farther than 5 feet from the hoop.
This should be the primary play that the Kings run, especially when Kevin is injured. Until the coaches 1: force Beno to run it properly, or 2: let Brown play enough to learn how to run it, then we are stuck. Personally, I believe that Brown needs to be force fed the pick and roll as he is quick enough to not only turn the corner but to split the double team as well. Just give the kid some video of T Parker last night, and let him learn…
I
know this has nothing to do with this post, but I found it on YouTube, and it brought back some happy memories of how Arco used to be …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNNQqLertlU&feature=related
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
And now it's appreciation time for what that costs
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Beno never uses the picks properly
When was the last time you saw the player covering Beno have to go under the pick? Beno more often than not doesn’t even wait for the screener to get set before he starts moving. And, even if the screener gets set, Beno never runs close enough or cuts hard enough that his man has to cut under the screen to get in front of him.
That’s why he can’t split the double. His man doesn’t get screened and is right on his tail. If the screeners man jumps out, Beno cant cut back with his own man on his heels, so he has to speed up and go wide to get around the screeners man. Now, he’s going away from the screener with a big in front of him and his man behind, so there’s no lane to pass to the screener rolling to the basket.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Didn't I say that?
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on Dec 23, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Actually you didn't...
TZ did.
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Actually they both did
And, I’ve mentioned Beno’s failure to run the pick & roll properly in past threads.
Lietothegirls said
He rolls too wide off the pick which both limits his ability to get free and ruins the spacing to get the ball back to the screener for the pop
But, in the same post,
This seems like something that could be fixed fairly easily (?)
Which could mean that you don’t know why he doesn’t fix it, or you don’t know how to fix it since you don’t state the actual fix.
To which I wrote, that he needs to get closer to the screener to pick off his man, and then make a hard cut. Which I thought was expanding on TZ’s going wide theme. And, it isn’t anything new, since Theus even mentioned it in the past.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Sure
my point was it seems a technical flaw that could be cured by some drills.
The (?) was why they haven’t addressed it, is he unwilling? Stubborn and thinks he’s right? Doesn’t have the balance (I doubt that from his drives to the hole) etc. – as I thought I went on to say…
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on Dec 23, 2008 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
All good questions, let's hope Natt has the answers
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
Was Beno's
poor pick and roll play happening last year? He was so refreshing to watch last year after years and years of Bibby’s crap. This year has been dissapointing and I’ve never been able to pinpoint why there has been a drop off in Beno’s play other than last year he was fighting for his NBA carreer and now he’s happy with his new contract.
Hopefully this problem has only been going on for this year and it’ll be corectable. If not, UH OHH!!!. Maybe strapping him to a chair ala A Clockwork Orange and make him watch John Stockton, Steve Nash, and Mike Bibby pick and rolls for 9 hours will do the trick.
smell the ashes
by iamstern'skippah! on Dec 23, 2008 4:14 PM PST reply actions
Clockwork Orange treatment
You betcha Alex!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Maybe we can strap JT in
and make him watch Karl Malone tapes.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 24, 2008 4:45 AM PST up reply actions
I have seen JT elbow someone in the head
And he will never be Karl Malone. The guy didn’t even fall down. Gotta step up your elbow game if you really want to justify those Malone comparisons.
Good question
I wonder as well if he’s just lost confidence, since his jumper’s not falling – and if it’s affecting his overall performance.
Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?
I was always about skeptical with Beno
And nothing he’s done so far has shaken anybody of that particular opine.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Poor individual defenders = poor team defense...
The Kings are shot thru with poor defenders. Brad Miller ( The B52 Bummer) is quite possibly the WORST defender at any position in the league. Beno can’t stay in front of anyone. Mikki Moore, for all his bluster and talk is a poor defender and rebounder (hey Mikki, put on some weight bro, looks like you are a cancer patient). Hawes and JT are young so they get a pass. Salmons is a good defender, but not a great one. Truth be told, there is really no way you can make the present iteration of Kings play defense as a team when they cant play defense as individuals. The Kings need to make a fundamental change in personel before you can complain about the way this team defends. This team was built to score and play zone. Zone defense dont work when you have good outside shooters on the opponents team. The NBA is chocked full of great shooters. Therefore, a Zone defense team is going to lose in the NBA. Plain and simple. Until the personel changes, we must play Zone to cover up the lack of defensive skill we have at the most critical positions (ie Center and Point). Let us instead look forward to the draft, and who we can get in free agency to improve this team defensively. Just about everyone in the NBA can shoot. It’s kinda a prerequisite for NBA membership to be able to shoot the ball. Defense is a different matter. Some say it’s a matter of will. But in the Kings case, it’s a matter of athleticism. The Kings need to rid themselves of the unathletic sloths they have and replace them with young, willing, energetic defenders.
What does defense have to do with how Beno utilizes a pick & roll?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
Free DG?
How do you want to “free” him? Give him more minutes, encourage him to bomb away more?
I’m game, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he gets his first career 20-point game before Spencer does.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 24, 2008 3:51 PM PST reply actions
Could happen
It’s a good thing that Hawes doesn’t have to score 20 to contribute to the team. Rebounds, blocks shots. And have I mentioned that he’s only 20?
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Who cares CC?
Greene is far more of a guy who just puts the ball in the hole. It’s the other area’s he needs to develop. Spencer needs to concetrate on a few things before he starts doing the multiple things he’s already capable of effecting a game. You’re going to tell me that a guy not scoring 20 is a weakness in a league that badly overvalues guys who can score?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
And for the record for those who don't know
Shawes has scored 19 twice in his career now. Once last season vs Memphis in March, and once this year in the opening homestand vs Detroit.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

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