Random speculation is fun. Why stop with Brad?

by taipei on Dec 24, 2008 9:23 AM PST Comment 15 comments

Ok, we all know the possibilities out there for Miller and we've all heard the same teams mentioned (Miami, Chicago, Charlotte, etc.). We've sliced up every scenario imaginable and argued the fine points of Marion, Wallace, and cap space. It's an interesting discussion and one worth having.

However, as many of you have noted, nobody is untouchable on a team this bad. This must mean that there should at least be the potential for a mutually beneficial trade with pretty much every team in the league, right? Believe it or not, everyone has some need, major or minor, that we could help them fill while gaining some benefit for ourselves. Remember, sometimes the small deals have big payoffs down the road. Superstars are important but so are good role players. Cap space is important, draft picks are important, upside is important, and to get those things we should consider every possibility.

In that spirit, I'd like to start a series of posts assessing the needs of every team in the NBA so that we can consider what, if any, mutually beneficial trades could happen. Bit players, waterboys, K-Mart, everyone is game here. Let's start with 5 teams: New Orleans, Golden State, Indiana, Toronto, and Utah. BTW, I'm not an expert by any stretch, so don't take my proposals to be anything more than conversation starters.

New Orleans:

Needs: Frontcourt depth

Kings have: Moore, Williams

Potential trade: Moore for Julian Wright and a second rounder

Benefits: Wright is a young, athletic three with upside. Excellent rebounder. Doesn't help the Hornets now because he is stuck behind Peja and Posey. New Orleans is desperate for help up front.

Golden State:

Needs: A new coach, a real point guard, a solid swingman, Monta Ellis to come back

Wants: To get rid of Anthony Randolph

Kings have: Beno, Salmons, Greene

Potential trade: Salmons or Beno/Greene for Randolph and Turiaf

Benefits: Salary dump and Randolph, whose upside is just ridiculous. Oh yeah, it's a risk, but my god imagine if it pays off. Have you seen this guy when he's on his game?

Indiana:

Needs: Power up front, rebounding, defense, three point shooting

Kings have: Miller, Williams, Moore, Douby, Garcia, Martin, Salmons, Thompson, Hawes

Potential trades: Miller for Nesterovic, Moore and Douby for Daniels

Benefits: Simple Miller trade for an extra year of cap space, very slight upgrade for Indy. The second trade doesn't seem all that likely. Martin for Granger, anyone?

Toronto:

Needs: Wings!

Kings have: Salmons, Garcia, Martin, Douby, Jackson

Potential trades: Miller, Salmons, K9 (Woof!) for O'Neal and Moon, or Miller and Salmons for O'Neil and a first rounder. Otherwise Toronto's got nothing we want.

Benefits: clear $20mil plus from the books and get a pick. Could be packaged with the Houston pick to get something nice or move up in the draft.

Utah:

Needs: Frontcourt depth

Kings have: Moore and Williams

Potential trades: Utah's not gonna give up Koufos for 4th options, sorry. Fesenko and change for Moore seems reasonable, he's a great rebounder who could turn out to be a nice backup to Spencer someday.

See that? Only five teams down and already there are some intriguing possibilities. Now, flame away! I'll be back in 24 hours.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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My Flame for the Day

You said nobody on the team is untouchable, but most of your trades are the usual suspects: Moore, Williams, Miller, Douby, and Salmons. If everyone truly is tradable on a team this bad, and Utah needs frontcourt depth, wouldn’t they want JT or Hawes? Just sayin…

by #12Pick...who? on Dec 24, 2008 10:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I think Utah just needs good health

They got pretty much everything else already.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 24, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think you confusing things

Everyone may be available, but that’s not to say that the Kings should sell at pennies on the dollar. It’s one thing to say “nobody is untouchable” and another to suggest dumping the youth of the team.

What came back in any of those deals that would warrant shipping out JT or Hawes from the Kings perspective? The first point is to make the Kings better . . . so simply swapping, say, JT for Randolph doesn’t make much sense (as both need development anyway).

He’s hit 5 teams and says he wants to go through the entire league . . . have a little patience, or suggest something more aggressive with the teams listed.

Personally, I enjoyed this FanPost . . . good conversation starter.

by smgmatt on Dec 24, 2008 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I didn’t see that all. I just think you’re being nice, which means you’re in the Xmas spirit, and I’m a grouchy asshole.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 24, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, there's always that.

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Dec 25, 2008 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hehe Yeah :)

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by pookeyguru on Dec 25, 2008 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Your point

is well taken, in fact that was a little frustrating for me putting this together. However, for the teams involved, I didn’t see any scenarios involving people like Martin or Garcia that wasn’t absurd. We won’t part with those guys for pennies, and it’s not like Bosh, Granger, or Deron Williams are up for grabs. Regarding Utah, what they need is a solid backup center/PF with experience, because they are trying to win now. In other words, a dependable role player for a playoff run this year and someone who can cover for injuries without being completely lost on the court. I think for that purpose, and considering what Utah has to offer, Moore or Williams make the most sense.

by taipei on Dec 24, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Okay I'll flame away

A) Moore for Wright doesn’t work. And draft picks don’t factor as money in a trade, so you’re going to have even that up to even make a trade like that work.

B) Why do the kIngs need either Anthony Randolph or Ronny Turiaf? What do they get out of that? I don’t get it. (I don’t think this team is lacking energy. I think it’s lacking cohesion. And I don’t think having Turiaf, who is signed for 3 years beyond this season, is the answer. And Anthony Randolph? You gotta be shittin…) I won’t even bother about the Dubs firing Don Nelson. They were the one’s stupid enough to sign him to an extension.

C) Not really sure why the Pacers would trade Rasho,Daniels for Miller, Moore and Douby, but okay, say they do. I don’t see how any of the 3 the KIngs give up does anything for the Pacers. The other problem is, according to the ESPN trade checker, the Pacers are almost at 70 million, and that trade would add a little more than 3 million to their payroll, and putting them over the luxury tax limit (around 71.15 million). I don’t see why the Pacers would do that to get Miller Moore and Douby. I really don’t.

D) According to this, Amick has already shot down any rumor that the Kings have talked to Toronto. But that means little, but even then, what the Kings get back for John Salmons should be interesting. We can speculate, but I imagine most people around here want Bargnani. I don’t, but that’s me. And I doubt TO will give up anything that will put them over the lux tax limit. Of which they’re supposedly about a 1000$$$ away.

Unless the Jazz need a witch doctor, or any of the members of a mediocre hydra, then I suppose there isn’t anything the Kings can really offer the Jazz except mediocre role players, which they already have plenty of. In otherwords, the Jazz ain’t trading for anybody on the Kings.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 24, 2008 11:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

The Pookey challenge

Ok, Pookey, here’s your challenge for the day.

Come up with 3 guys you do like. And not Lebron, Kobe, Dwight Howard, what three guys are out there, that there is some possiblity are available would you like to see brought here?

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Dec 24, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That's a great question

I don’t have all day to work on it either. Maybe I’ll have something up tomorrow. Who knows though?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 24, 2008 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

its really hard. I started thinking about it myself.

Even if I spot you Conley, finding two more wouldn’t be easy.

For me, Tyrus Thomas, Luol Deng, a third…either Lowry or Conley I guess. Its hard to find the right combination of skill, age and contract.

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Dec 24, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I could do it

There are a lot of young players out there that intrigue me, and Conley is one (I do think he’s also attainable). But there are others like Tyrus Thomas for instance, and JJ Hickson, whom I think is TT light, plus, let’s see, there is other players out there I would want.

Some aren’t necessarily one age or the other, and not necessarily guys whom you would think of first off the bat. I’m going to come up with some stuff. Just gimme some time.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 24, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This is

the kind of response I like to see, although I disagree with parts. I’m not saying any of these ideas are great, I just think it would be interesting to see what possibilities are out there with teams we don’t always talk about. To answer your points:

A – you are right, it doesn’t work. The deal would have to be Wright and various other pieces. Minor, obviously, but it fills needs and appears low risk for both sides. Sac can’t have too many young prospects at this point.

B – Well, we disagree on Randolph. Remember when C-Webb was playing under Nellie and supposedly had attitude problems? Personally I think Beno is one of the weakest starting PG’s in the league, isn’t likely to improve, and will almost certainly be replaced in the upcoming draft. He’s not the future, so why not move him for a freakishly good athlete? Letting Randolph and Donte push each other to see who will be our future swingman could be a great idea. Maybe he pans out, maybe he doesn’t, but I don’t see how we lose. Turiaf is there to make the numbers match, and acquiring him would mandate moving at least one of our bigs. IMHO, I like him better off the bench than Moore or Williams.

C – I’m not sure why they would do it either. Honestly this was the best I could come up with for a Pacers-Kings deal. Again, that’s the point, see if there are any mutually beneficial deals out there, no matter how minor. Looks like Indiana’s not the place to look. Correct me if you see any reasonable options on their roster.

D – We agree: I don’t like Bargnani and don’t want him. I think Toronto would have to consider this deal because Miller is only a slight downgrade from O’Neal at this point and Salmons fills a major hole. If the Raps would be willing to take K9 or give up a potentially nice pick, I’d like to see it happen. They could always throw in another piece to deal with the cap issue.

Utah – my argument for Utah is that someone like Moore could give them 5-10 minutes a night of solid work in the playoffs, which their other backup bigs can’t do right now due to inexperience. This is the kind of move contending teams make to shore up minor weaknesses. I’d be interested to know what they would give us in return.

by taipei on Dec 24, 2008 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

An expiring contract?

But, even then taipei, they don’t want too much committed salary next season themselves. And they have Millsap/Boozer on the front line already. I just don’t quite see it with Utah at all.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 25, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs