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Future Kings PG???

Below is a link to a pretty damn good article about Brandon Jennings from Espn.com

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?section=magazine&id=3715746

There was some talk earlier on in the year initiated on STR regarding the 09 Draft and how it could affect the future of the PG position on the Kings. I said it then, and I'll say it again, I hope the Kings pick up a PG with their top pick in the 09 Draft, assuming of course that there isnt an oppotunity that Petrie and Co. cant refuse. I think Beno can become a decent NBA PG, especially as he continues to develop, but truth of the matter is that he should not be a starting PG in the NBA on any team that has aspirations to succeed. Lets not forget that our starting PG was let go by the Spurs and CUT by the horrible T-Wolves. I understand that being cut from a team isnt always an indicator of a guys worth, but it sure as hell does speak (even if in little part) to a guys game. For the record, I would like to see Beno come off the Kings bench as our 6th man in 09'-10' where I believe he belongs, and can be damn effective. Aside from the 1, I see the Kings having 2-5 (with what ive seen from Shock and Hawes & the potential that Greene brings to the table) in place for years to come. I'm intruiged with the possibility of that missing piece currently playing in a ski resort town in Italy.

The article posted above speaks for itself but for those of you choosing not to read it, I'll summarize my thoughts from it. Along with Rubio (who has a strong fanbase already,) Brandon Jennings is the most intruiging figure playing amateur ball right now. Although I still think he should have enrolled at Point Guard U (Zona, for all you lacking College Hoops lingo,) he seems to be truly benefitting from playing overseas. When this question of whether Rubio or Jennings would be a better prospect, an STR member (I think it was KingsfaninCentralEurope,) indicated that Jennings had been struggling overseas. The article briefly touches on this and continues to explain how his Croatian coach has "whooped" him into shape with some tough-love and dicipline. This dicipline approach rarely occurs in the States on college campuses when it comes to  prized recruits, hence why soo many studs in college come out after a year and are still undicipline. The article alludes to the fact that Jnnings has replaced some of his "flashier tendencies" with a more conventional approach to the game (Think Derrick Rose as opposed to Sebastian Telfair).If Jennings can use this year overseas as a maturing lesson, he can truely benefit from the experience and become a better NBA PG than he would have if he had chosen the "one and done" approach in college. He'll definently be a lottery pick and I hope the Kings can grab him up before some other lottery-stricken team does, its obvious we need an NBA starting PG.......That is, of course, Rubio decides to enter and hasnt already mezmorized GP & Co.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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1º- Ricky Rubio (If he wants)
2º-James Harden (he can score, rebound and asist)
3º- Brandon Jennings (His experience in Italy can be great)
4º- Jrule Holiday

by Matenja on Dec 3, 2008 2:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'd Remove Harden

I’ve already seen him play in person once this year and I enjoy his game, however I dont see the Kings using a top 5 pick (where i think we’ll end up) on a 2-3 Tweener… Its all speculation until furhter research can be done; but I think its a toss-up with Jennings & Rubio with Holiday in third…However, the PAC 10 Season is a bit aways and he has plenty of time to prove himself

by Hoops916 on Dec 3, 2008 2:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you on this

Rubio/Jennings and Holiday are all in the mix, and choosing a PG would be my preference as well. Thanks for the link on the Jennings article, was a good read.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 3, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll Take

Jennings all the way! I think he will be a solid defender and is already a good ball-hawk… and a good distributor.

Blessings.Love.Peace

by lifestyleforthesellout on Dec 3, 2008 2:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

this is just nitpicking

but neither Rubio or Jennings are playing amateur ball, while theyre not NBA professionals they are still professionals nonetheless.

by passionforPERPS on Dec 3, 2008 3:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

jennings!!!!!!!

We’ve been chanting for jennings from the rafters of section 212 all season!!
WE WANT JENNINGS!!!!!!!

At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.

by TrojanCBB on Dec 3, 2008 4:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Jennings

I read the article in The Mag. It sounds like playing overseas is maturing him, and his coach is forcing him to think hustle and fundamentals. But here’s the thing: One season under a strict coach will not change a lifetime of habits. The article mentions him throwing what amounts to a hissy-fit in practice and being kicked out. In the article, he goes on to humility and hustling in practice. If he’s in the NBA, I see him reverting back to the ways of a spoiled star.

The article paints him in a very nice light. But think of what ESPN wants from this. He’s got the potential to be a big, intriging story come draft time. I have no doubt that Jennings will be a lottery pick. But let’s look at this story for what it is. It’s a puff piece. That was the intent. This is not analysis. It is anecdotal. I thought the article was a fun read, as it was meant to be, but it doesn’t tell me anything.

Let’s not annoint this kid the future just yet.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Dec 3, 2008 4:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Doesnt Tell You Anything?

I have a hard time believing that this article “Doesnt tell you anything.”.. The last time his name came up on an STR thread, one informed member (another shout out to KingsfanincentralEurope) informed everyone that he was currently average something crazy like 5ppg. I cant speak for everyone on STR, but that sure as hell scared me off of the kid a bit, and I began envisioning Rubio or Holiday running the show for years to come.This article “Tells ALOT” in explaining how he had to adapt to life overseas and a highly demanding coach. Call it a puff piece all you want, but I feel much more comfortable with the prospect of the Kings potentially drafting Jennings after reading it than I did before I read it. Calling it a “puff piece” seems a bit cynical to me? ..Although I can’t deny the possibility that he very well may “revert” back to childish ways once he gets to the NBA, thats a pretty big assumption to state that you “see” him doing so.

And I surely did not mean to “annoint” Jennings the future of the Kings by any means. What I DID want to do, was express that Beno is sure as hell not the PG of the future, so we may as well start looking for his replacement, especially since it looks like we’ll have a high draft pick in the lottery.

by Hoops916 on Dec 3, 2008 5:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Clarification

Allow me to clarify a few things, as I was obviously unclear in my initial response.

First, when I say we should not annoint him as the future, I did not intend to imply that you were annointing him. That was more of a general statement to all of StR that I don’t think we should get too excited too soon.

As for the reasons I say this is a puff piece and doesn’t tell me anything:
I call this a puff piece because it doesn’t let me know how he’s progressing. This article is a glimpse at about a week of his life. How does a story about his haircut relate to his NBA potential? What do his shopping habits have to do with him developing his defense? There’s a lot of filler, not a lot of substance.

Could this kid end up running the point in Sacramento? Sure, it’s possible. Could he be really good? Sure. I have no idea. But my ultimate point is that this article does little to help me determine a valid opinion on Brandon Jennings.

What I was trying to convey was not that this was a bad article. It’s well written, and it serves its purpose. And I was not trying to convey disappointment that you shared the article. I was happy to see that someone had, so that we could discuss it. I just don’t think the article offers enough insight to draw any real conclusions from.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Dec 4, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Michael Conley Jr

would be no more of a gamble than any of these guys; even Ricky Rubio, who I like a lot.

Yes, Rubio has a world of potentiual, and the kid would certainly bring the fans back to Arco in droves. So hey, if we can get him, sure, let’s go for it.

But that would almost certainly require either the #1 or #2 overall pick. That means that unless this team feels extremely confident about the ping pong balls bouncing our way, we should first go after a bird in hand like Conley. He is reported to be available, his upside is big and his talent and athletic ability are undeniable.

To my mind the other players on this list all have major question marks. Harden in particular just isn’t a true point guard, which is what we really, really need here, not another combo guy like Beno. And I agree with the concerns about Jennings. He may eventually justify the hype in Europe but if he has a bad attitude let’s scratch him off the wish list immediately.

My main point is that by getting a player like Michael Conley Jr right now, the Kings would be in a much stronger and more flexible position at the draft. This team has a lot of needs to fill and positions to upgrade, and being able to choose a center or a PF who can rebound, or a great small forward, even if we only end up with say the 4th pick or the 6th pick, would be a huge plus.

It’ll be sooooo important for the Kings to strike gold with what appears to be a very high pick this coming spring. If they’re locked into drafting a point guard, that will be a fairly substantial narrowing of the field.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Dec 3, 2008 9:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Getting talent in the draft is always important

There’s nothing wrong with bringing in Conley and drafting a PG in June.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 4, 2008 9:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed Pookey

I like the idea of bringing in Conley….As long as we dont have to rid ourselves of the future to get him….And by future I mean; JT, Hawes, Greene & M-Mart….Everyone else (Yes, even Garcia) should be dangled if we can get Conley back in a trade. Otherwise, we better keep a trained eye on these PG’s who aernt yet in the league-

by Hoops916 on Dec 4, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you have to try to bring in Conley without losing Garcia myself

But yeah, I agree JT, Shawes, Greene & KMart have to be considered totally untouchable. (Garcia should be nearly untouchable.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 4, 2008 11:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Greene is untouchable?

I don’t see why, at least if we’re talking about using him to help acquire a 21 year old who conceivably could be our starting point guard for the next 8 or 9 years.

Don’t get me wrong, I like Donte’s potential, he seems to have quite a bit of raw ability, but the emphasis is on the word “raw” and he also seems like a project to me.

Small forward is a lot easier slot to fill than point guard, and I’d certainly prefer trading Greene rather than Cisco in a deal like that.

Frankly, I don’t think anybody on this team can truly be considered “untouchable”, including Kevin Martin.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Dec 4, 2008 4:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gee lemme list the ways Jared! (I'm kidding--well with the name anyway)

First understand that I like Donte Greene. His personality is funny and refreshing, and I think in the future it could sell a lot of tix. But, that’s the only external thing I think in his favor. Now for those list things you love oh so much:

  • He’s young, only 19 at the moment
  • He’s long, and one can make an argument he’d fit at PF, except he could also fit at SF, and that’s exactly what this team needs in the future
  • He’s long enough, and a quality rebounder, which again is what this team needs
  • He’s all about the extra E
  • He can shoot
  • Jo Mama!

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 4, 2008 10:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Garcia?/?!!

Seriously?

he’s one of the few on this roster with some attitude! That adds to his value more than any other stat for our current group.

Cisco? Cisco? CISCO!!!! #*$!%! !

by lietothegirls on Dec 8, 2008 3:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

If the Kings acquired Conley Jr. and ended up in a position to draft Rubio, I would hope they’d still strongly consider drafting the young Spaniard.

Great point guards are among the rarest and most valuable commodities in pro sports. If they both panned out, then you’ve got a nice bargaining chip.

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Dec 4, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Blake Griffin...

He is big, tough, and versatile and I can picture him destroying NBA defenders for years. Thabeet might be just what the doctor ordered too (dude is like 7’4’’ and blocks tons of shots)

I agree that Beno/Bobby probably not the answer at PG for any title contending team, but I feel like for a team as fragile as the Kings that a risky Rubio or Jennings pick could be a bad maneuver. Imagine what would happen if the Kings had the four overall pick and took one of those guys and they didn’t pan out. I would weep in the streets. Lets get a sure-fire game changing stud in the draft and then use some of that cap to pick up a game managing PG with a high assist to TO ratio who isn’t going to take shots away from Martin, Hawes, Francisco, Donte, and JT.

As far as Conley goes, is he more productive than BB would be with those minutes? I feel like he would not be a significant upgrade.

by CDinSD on Dec 4, 2008 12:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree in some respects...

Like you, I’m also a fan of Griffin. However, with our dire need for a NBA starting PG, I think we would be foolish to take him over a PG with serious potential. PG’s with crazy potential can turn franchises around. Look at the the Paul & Williams Draft and what they did for their respective teams! Do you think Atlanta would take the either Paul or D-Will (They needed a PG at the time) over M. Williams had they been given a chance? I sure do. I’m not trying to compare Williams to Griffin or any PGs to Paul and Williams, but the formula should hold firm: if you need a PG and there a few studs with potential in the draft, dont skip out on that opportunity..Its THE MOST position on the floor…

I DO think Conley would be a much better fit that Beno. Simply put, Beno is a good fit as a 6th man, not a starting PG..Call a Spade a Spade fellas-

by Hoops916 on Dec 4, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Another Chance*

I meant, Do you think Atlanta would have taken either PG over Williams had they been given ANOTHER chance?

I’m typing too fast today fellas, sorry for the careless-ness.

by Hoops916 on Dec 4, 2008 11:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that said

I think Jennings has wild potential. Like a Stevie Franchise meets J Wil

by CDinSD on Dec 4, 2008 12:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully

you mean on court Stevie Franchise meets on court J Will. The off court version could be frightening

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Dec 4, 2008 8:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can we please not have that conversation today?

This team is really depressing everyone right now.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 4, 2008 9:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If anyone is interested

Jrue Holiday’s UCLA will be playing Texas tonight, and Blake Griffin’s Oklahoma will be playing Demar Derozan’s USC on ESPN2 4 pm Pacific if anyone is interested in checking out the upcoming draft prospects.

by kingsfan300 on Dec 4, 2008 1:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Idea for filling ARCO -

“JV” games featuring college teams with 1st round talent. It’s December and we’re already showing interest in collegiate and European players. Ahh, the spoils of rooting for a 5-15 team.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Dec 4, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You going to the game tomorrow?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 4, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Doubtful for Saturday

Mom’s had some health issues. I’m going to the Laker game on Tuesday, where I’m sure that I’ll have some health issues.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Dec 4, 2008 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah just as well

I’m going to be in town for my aunt’s funeral, and I"m hoping to go to Saturday’s game if I can make it. It’s looking to be very doubtful for me though (for obvious reasons).

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 4, 2008 9:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh

And taking care of momz is always important.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 4, 2008 9:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pookey, I’m sorry for your loss.

Section, best wishes to you and your mother.

Let's go home.-Kevin Martin

by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 6, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

She’s in a rehab center now, so I may be able to break away for the game.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Dec 6, 2008 1:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks LPA

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 7, 2008 6:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Potential lottery PGs

Rubio, Jennings, Holiday, Curry(Playing PG this season), Tyreke Evans(Memphis), Ty Lawson, Patrick Mills(St. Mary’s), Darren Collison.

All listed in the top 16 at DraftExpress except Curry who is #5 on Chad Ford’s list. Deep PG draft to say the least.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 4, 2008 4:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Brandon Jennings

I will try to find some more news on him and possibly some video-links on his game in Italy, just a few remarks:

- Jennings still seems to be struggling. At least, I mean by this the fact that after more than two months of play, his position in the team does not seem to be increasing much. The ESPN article seems to refer to an important issue – that Jennings might need to step down at first and learn some things that would make him a better player in future, although losing some current (statistical) success now and here. Nevertheless, here’s short summary of his last Euroleague game from two days ago. Not only he played just 11 minutes (0 pts, 1Ast, 1Stl, 2TO, 3PF) on the roster that missed its two best players (Primos Brezec and Sani Becirovic, the November Euroleague Player of the Month), he even played less than a guy called Jacopo Giachetti, who was a third PG of the roster at the beginning of the season (tough, he is more a combo guard, I think).

- Apart from that (really sorry, but I don’t have much of insider info), he seems to have had a couple of nice Euroleague games at Lubjlana and Tau Ceramica (here and here), but his playing time is not increased and he rather struggles in the Italian domestic league. This is another, perhaps important, information – although Rome does not play well in the Italian league, they are one of the biggest surprises of the Euroleague and they lead a very strong group with the five-wins streak. There, it is a question whether their coach is supposed to initiate any significant changes of his strategies that might leat to the increase of Jennings’s impact on the game.

- Something else is very imporant in my mind, however. Unlike Rubio, who is perhaps an undisputable leader of his pretty good team, Jennings is clearly not, actually he is far from that. He is not even the first player on his post and the first PG of his team (Jaaber) is, I think, just a third or fourth player of the team (behind Becirovis, Brezec and perhaps Andy Hutson).

- Now, summarizing into one (very weak) argument, with all the lack of knowledge I have at the moment – I definitely do not see it as unambiguous that Jennings will enter the draft next year. The ESPN article, as Exhibit mentions, seems to me really a bit of establishing the foundations for a well-transferrable story for years to come. It is positive about Jennings in terms of saying that a)he is getting more mature, b)he actually can play the game. It tries to explain why he struggles in Europe, I am however not sure whether it says that he is successfully dealing with his struggles, i.e. that his game is getting better.

As I said, it might not matter at all and he can largely profit from playing in Europe and from getting mature. This, however, might need more than year, particularly if this one year is too far from begin a particularly strong.I don’t know so much about his high-school past and the situation about (not)enrolling for the college, but the issue of his maturity might be really revealed next year when he will decide what next.

According, to the ESPN article, Jennings’s salary is roughly about 550K dollars per year – although I understand this to be a net salary. He also signed about 500K per year contract with UnderArmour makng his year income about 1 million. From what I know, he has a clause he can opt out to enter the NBA draft after the year 1 and 2 of his contract, however, here is a mention of the buyout necessary for Jennings leaving Rome (not idea what it means, and his whole income is specified here as 1.2 Mper year).

Basically, he would not lose financially if he entered the NBA next year. Even if he would not be a top5 or top10 pick, which is quite possible after his weaker performance this year, his salary should perhaps top what he receives from Roma this year (I really thought that his salary would be higher).

On the other hand, he might lose much if he entered after the year he now seems to have. Remember some in-Europe-grown projects that entered the NBA in last few years and compare very young and immature talents such as Milicic, Bargnani, Sergion Rodriguez (although I believe at least the latter two to be a potential star prospects) and many others not so much hyped players, and young prospects such as Fernandez, Marc Gasol, or even Jose Calderon (and partially Tony Parker). If maturity is a concern of Jennings and if he is really progressing in these terms in Rome, he might have much better chances to establish himself and get a better name in two years than he has in one and make much better in the 2010 draft – particularly as there seems to be a nice supply of pointguards).

Finally, referring to the next year draft – it seems to me that Kings should draft a talent, period. Yes, a PG is the most needed post right now, but I would rather trade down and bring something additional than just leave a nice big man or even a SG in aim to get a not so brilliant PG. Kings have some needs, but they do not have to be necessarily resolved through direct drafting.

by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Dec 6, 2008 7:44 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I pressed post instead of preview

so sorry for all misspellings and typing errors

by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Dec 6, 2008 7:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How dare you not speak English perfectly

When you’re probably not a native of the language? I mean the nerve of you!

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 6, 2008 8:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

leadership plays big

for even, no – especially, the smallest guy on the team, the point guard.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 7, 2008 9:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Uh what?

I don’t get it. (Especially in relation to my sarcastic comment on a presumably non-native English speaker making English mistakes.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 8, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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