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We're Still Here

While the Kings have again descended to laughingstock status, it's important that we are

a) here, and

b) mad.

Apathy is the mindset for the hopeless and the forgetting, and we have hope and we won't forget what it means to be a fan. Fans don't give up when things are bleak or (worse) boring. We don't ignore the score because we've got better things to do. We don't leave in the third quarter because we're tired of slop.

We watch the slop, we curse the slop and we pray the slop gets mopped up.

I don't like to discuss the bandwagon nature of the modern fan much because I really don't like to judge people. Most folks who have given up their season tickets the last few years have done so for perfectly valid reasons. Fandom isn't cheap or easy, and the local/global economy hasn't made things easier. This commentary has nothing to do with the emptiness of ARCO.

And I certainly hold no grudge with those who jump on the radio or sign on here to say they won't watch another game this season because of that awful performance Sunday night, or the ones proffered against New York or Denver. Your time is yours, bub. Do with it what you will.

But me, I'm still here. And a helluva lot of you are staying here too.

True enjoyment of the Glory Era Kings came in two forms. The first, enjoyed by all the new Kings fans bred on Divac and Webber and Stojakovic, stemmed from the beautiful version of basketball Rick Adelman's team played. And that's fine. But a lot of these fans may not have come around if Adelman had actually been Gregg Popovich, and Webber's passing had been Tim Duncan's bank shot, and Jason Williams had been Avery Johnson. So much of the Kings' value came from the aesthetics: win or lose, Sacramento would be fun to watch.

But there was an extant fan base here, of course, and many of us were a part of that. The 1997-98 Kings were not beautiful. The 1995-96 Kings were not beautiful. The 1993-94 Kings were really not beautiful. But for reasons of geography, cult love or who knows what, we became Kings fans. And the river ran dry. For so long. So that rush of merciful water that poured over us in 1998 ... it wasn't just fresh water, it was fresh water after a drought. It was gold. For everyone else -- the new fans -- it was just water. But for us ... we'd have died without it.

Our struggle made the success so much more meaningful. This isn't to say the new fans didn't have a great time, too -- everyone did. But our hearts didn't merely swell -- they exploded. When the next success comes, I want that feeling again.

We are Mikki Moore: every loss hurts, but we're not giving up. We're in this together. We'll be here for a 20-win season, an 18-win season, a 15-win season. And we'll be here for a 35-win season, a 40-win season, a 60-win season. A few bad losses won't keep me from enjoying the Next Great Kings Team as fully as it can be enjoyed.

Who's with me?

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Alright,

I’m setting the alarm clock fo 3:55am and will watch how the Clippers will get a pasting

by KingsFanfromCentralEurope on Dec 30, 2008 10:41 AM PST reply actions  

yes¡¡¡¡

I will have to set the alarm at 4:00

by Matenja on Dec 30, 2008 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Here!!!

I’m a Kings homer …. always have been, always will be.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by Dub_TC on Dec 30, 2008 10:42 AM PST reply actions  

You are preaching to the choir TZ.

All of StR is beyond band wagon fan status as we care so much about this horrendous team that we have to come here and discuss it with other people who care way too much about this team.

There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru

by moproblemz on Dec 30, 2008 10:51 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Here Here

I’m too young to have truly suffered during those drought years. But we are all Kings fan in a basketball world that covets the Lakers and Celtics. Being a Kings fan will always be a bit painful, but also that more rewarding when we do win.

AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.

by CAB on Dec 30, 2008 11:03 AM PST reply actions  

*that much more*

AK47, SN13, B52, and K9. One guns, Another runs, He fits, while it licks.

by CAB on Dec 30, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep.

I was a Blazer fan as a kid. Stopped watching for a long time. Came to Sac, saw Adelman was coach, “hmm, this could be interesting”. Became a die-hard kings fan. Now I’m Back in OR. The Blazers have a young, exciting team to watch. The last few years for them, though were abysmal. I see the same path w/ the kings, growing pains, exciting youth., etc. And no, I did’nt revert to Blazer fandom, even though they are 80 mi. north, and the kings are roughly 500 mi. south. Give it a year or two.

by avishai on Dec 30, 2008 11:03 AM PST reply actions  

Kings fan for life.
There are ups and downs but that’s no reason to switch loyalty.

by DieHardKingsFan on Dec 30, 2008 11:05 AM PST reply actions  

In it for the long haul

Hell, I’m a SF Giants fan going back to the 70’s and a Kings fan back to the 80’s. I’ve seen this movie before, but there’s always room for optimism. I still have faith in Petrie to put a respectable product on the floor.

Are we gonna live together? Together are we gonna live?

by otis29 on Dec 30, 2008 11:05 AM PST reply actions  

Who’s with me?

I don’t have anything better do, so I guess I am

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Dec 30, 2008 11:06 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

+1

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Dec 30, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

What to Cheer For:

(In no significant order)
1. Hawes dunks, rebounds, precise passes, and defensive rotations.
2. Thompson not traveling, offensive rebounds, dunks over people(do it, we know you can!), getting a better rhythm on the floor.
3. Brown running the team well, not turning the ball over, finding the open man, nailing BJax style 3’s.
4. Greene getting burn, revealing his defensive ability(he’s bigger than Peja!), dropping 3’s and adding minutes to his career.
5. Martin coming back.
6. Udrih not turning the ball over [everyone not turning the ball over, we should have a drinking game based on possessions that are not turnovers].
7. Good offensive ball movement and overall team decisions.
8. Losing games [while giving good effort] as that gets us closer and closer to a better pick.

If yr not happy with the results, lower yr expectations.

by tokyo on Dec 30, 2008 11:08 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I like the idea of losing games for better draft position

However, I have one major issue. We’re going to lose, no matter what, so why do we keep playing the vets so many minutes. We’re going to lose with them, we’re going to lose without them. Why not just let the youngsters get more time to develop? I have no problem losing if Shock and Hawes are both averaging double doubles and get the chance play together and potentially beat some people up out there. I have no problem losing if Kevin and Donte can shoot the lights out. I have no problem losing if it looks like our guys give a god damn! As of now, it just doesn’t look that way.

www.mancancook.net

by vfettke on Dec 30, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Would you feel worse...

If JT and Hawes are playing 35 minutes a game, getting 10ppg, 6reb, each, and routinely humiliated and discouraged every night as they are destroyed by grown men in the prime of their careers?

JT and Hawes will get every minute they are ready for, I am confident. They are both lost right now, they don’t need more minutes, they need better minutes, those are different things.

The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.

by ForThree on Dec 30, 2008 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

They are different things

And that’s well said.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 30, 2008 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I put on an old jacket...

…there was something in the inside breast pocket. It was a ticket stub from a Kings-Vancouver Grizzlies game from January of 1998. My parents had season tickets in Section 114 Row P for almost 10 years. They didn’t give up their tickets because of the economy or the team’s play; they just got older and as soon as the Maloofs started airing every game on TV, it was more convienent to watch from the comfort of home.

I got to enjoy the benefit of those season tickets all the time. I watched Stockton hit the shot at the buzzer to send the 1st round best-of-five back to Utah. Heck, even back then, my parents would travel to road playoff games. They’ve been on camera in the crowd at SLC and Phoenix. They were featured on the season ticket holder tickets for a game the year they started doing that. I’ve been to so many games at ARCO thanks to their tickets.

When the time came to give up the tickets, I wasn’t in a place financially to inherit the seats. I wasn’t poor; I just didn’t have the budget for $2,000 a seat for a season. So what do I do now? My brother-in-law and I go to the games via the $10 tickets. We watched K-Mart’s buzzer-beating layup in Game 3 from the nosebleeds, and I truly thought ARCO was going to collapse from the ensuing frenzy.

I still get excited every game day. My wife is a bandwagon fan who probably wouldn’t know Shock or Hawes or ééé if she saw them, but I still watch games on TV or go to the home games. Sure, it’s difficult to watch poorly played basketball or lack of effort showings, but I’m an optimist at heart and I believe each new game brings a shot at redemption — even on a miniscule scale.

I’m originally from San Diego and I also root for the Padres and Chargers — so, hard-luck losers and franchises that get close but not over the top are the status quo for me. Call it self-masochism if you will, but I will root for the underdogs with unbridled passion for hundreds of years before I jump on another (a.k.a a currently-winning) team’s bandwagon.

Sorry for the long reply, this probably belongs in the “Where You From?” post, but it seemed relevent to this post too.

by #12Pick...who? on Dec 30, 2008 11:12 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Still here.

Reporting for duty, Sir!

"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Dec 30, 2008 11:24 AM PST reply actions  

It's too late

Jim Rome has already named Sacramento as the “City with the most bandwagon fans per capita” so are we all going to jump ship sooner or later?

"Oh, boy! This website is very good. Hey, let's talk about the Raiders!" - "Peaches" Napier

by dalt99 on Dec 30, 2008 12:43 PM PST reply actions  

Jim Rome

You lost me right there. If I had a choice between a beating with a 2×4, Jim Rome or Grant Napear, I’d be counting thwacks.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Dec 30, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

AMEN!!!!

And I was living in SD back in the early 90’s and listened to him on the ‘Mighty 690’ on the night show before he became a cult figure, or as I like to say, a joke.

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 30, 2008 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Die Hard

Just like it implies, I won’t stop watching until I die. Been a Kings fan since 1985 and I’m not stopping now!

"Oh, boy! This website is very good. Hey, let's talk about the Raiders!" - "Peaches" Napier

by dalt99 on Dec 30, 2008 12:50 PM PST reply actions  

The Maloof's could come to my house and piss on my dog..

and I still would be a fan. Die hard since the team arrived and if the stretch of teams from the late 80’s and most of the 90’s couldn’t beat the fan out of me then nothing will. Even as bad as those teams were with much less talent than the current team at least they would put up a fight at home and not roll over and get blown out at much as the current “team” does. This is the most frustrating part of it all…

Damn you Robert Horry!!!

by chupacabara on Dec 30, 2008 12:59 PM PST reply actions  

Summed up my feelings well TZ

I don’t think I could add anything to that, even if I really wanted to, which I don’t. I’ve been thinking draft all day after spending many hours in the morning time reading through a Kingsfan draft thread about whom the Kings should pick up in the 09 draft. (Interesting names and points were mentioned I dare say.)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 30, 2008 1:29 PM PST reply actions  

Actually the reason I'm still a Kings fan is rather simple

I could watch the games on nat TV from 99 on. if that hadn’t happened, I probably wouldn’t have stayed a fan because it wasn’t possible to be a Kings fan in Pensacola FL in 1999.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 30, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

could i have the link

to the draft thread if you don’t mind me asking. I’m sick at home for winter vacation and when you check the same websites every hour you run out of things to read. I’ve also done the mock lottery draft thing on ESPN about a thousand times, and it looks like we’re getting brandon jennings no matter where we draft

by beanhunter on Dec 30, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

And despite our 11%

I’ve yet to have us draft #1.

WTF?

If yr not happy with the results, lower yr expectations.

by tokyo on Dec 30, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

i got

us #1 twice of my near literal thousand attempts. brandon jennings in various draft places and haseem thabeet at number 3 are our most common selections

by beanhunter on Dec 30, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

It's on kingfans.com

So umm, here you go beans.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 30, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Look under community forums

And the draft thread should be there.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 30, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Do us both a favor

Read True Hoop, lots of newspapers, and other things, but never do the lottery odd thing again. You’re going to waste your time; do it wisely. :)

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 30, 2008 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

OK IM gonna ride this one to the Crater Site

I will ride this plane all the way to the crater. We should beat the paramedics by at least a half hour. But seriously, anyone who is a band wagon fan is welcome to jump off at any time. When the band wagon picks up speed however, don’t expect to be let back on. Those who suffer the most will be rewarded the most. The last shall be the first and the first shall be the last… or something like that… Yea the Kings are not that good now, and even discussion about a high draft pick isnt enough to keep the causal fan interested. Rabid Kings fans that bleed Purple are gonna stay no matter what. (of coarse, we all bleed purple if the right artery is cut, but I digress…) I say root for your team. And when they play lousy, yell and complain, and when they get worse, call for their heads!! But don’t just fade away!! That is the worst thing a fan can do. If you are a true fan, you can not just give up on a team. In this instant gratification society, some things must remain sacrosanct !! Fandom means never giving up no matter how putrid the team becomes. I will ride this jet into the VOLCANO !! And I will be bitching and screaming the whole way down !! Now has anybody seen this Rubio Kid play :-)

by FaStRmAn on Dec 30, 2008 1:48 PM PST reply actions  

Still here

Ready to kick some LA ass (even if it’s just the Clippers)

by eduardo_m7 on Dec 30, 2008 2:14 PM PST reply actions  

Mostly with you

although, I do turn the game off late 3rd, early 4th if it’s completely out of control and:

a). yes I’m here
but
b). I’m not mad.

I believe that where we are now is part of the process of developing a contender, so I have no problem with where we are because I also believe we are finally heading in the right direction. I think the Peja for Artest trade was a mistake, hanging on to Bibby was a mistake and hanging on to Brad is a mistake, all prolonging our path to this point and to the future upturn.

But I’m not mad about where we’re at, if anything I’m mad that it took us 2 years too long to get here.

Ball movement ... is like jogging for most people: They do it occasionally, and it makes them happy. Then they go back to not doing it. - Henry Abbott

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 30, 2008 2:23 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Well said Kfan

Cuz I agree with that too.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 30, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I am mad!

but you know we agree on the starting two years too late issue

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 30, 2008 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats why I'm mad...

"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"

by lietothegirls on Dec 30, 2008 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

But I’m not mad about where we’re at, if anything I’m mad that it took us 2 years too long to get here.

Seconded.

Shut up and Coach

by Carl on Dec 30, 2008 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm here

and doing the Polynice (premature) celebration dance from the Sonic’s series.

The Kings will be back and I, along with all of you, will be with them every step.

by rockrichmond2 on Dec 30, 2008 3:02 PM PST reply actions  

Click . . .

Sorry I haven’t been reading for a while. I’ve been searching through the couch cushions looking for Adam Sandler’s remote so a can just skip to when the Kings are respectable again. I’m just hoping my kids won’t have graduated college . . . .

by sacsplr on Dec 30, 2008 4:03 PM PST reply actions  

Diehard?

We had season tickets in the 90’s. We watched game after game at ARCO where we paid dearly for the priviledge of watching the Kings lose to bad teams.

Then we got good. Then we got great.

And now we’re bad again.

But we’re going to be good again, maybe even great.

You think I’m going to miss that because of a few bad games now?

Coming to you live from the land of interim coaches.

by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 30, 2008 4:14 PM PST reply actions  

I'm still here but if the Maloofs come and piss on my dogs I'm gonna whack 'em with Carl's 2x4

"We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good." - Charles Barkley

by Bluejohn on Dec 30, 2008 4:16 PM PST reply actions  

What do you think YouTube is for?

It’d be a lot funnier than the $5000 burger commercial.

by hozr on Dec 30, 2008 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

My current mantra
Our struggle made the success so much more meaningful.

Fans need hope like plants need sunshine. Good stuff.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 30, 2008 11:01 PM PST reply actions  

My current mantra

“It’s not the itching, it’s the swelling.”

Not as applicable but catchy nonetheless.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Dec 31, 2008 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

To be a Kings fan

you have to be very loyal, which this year will prove us to be. Though we fell painfully short in ’02 (and it still hurts), when the day comes that we do win it all it will be all the sweeter!

So stay loyal Sacramento. Go Kings.

"I have never seen officiating in a game of consequence as bad as that in Game 6...this officiating took away what would have been a Sacramento series victory in Game 6." -Michael Wilbon, Washington Post

by NeverForget2002 on Dec 31, 2008 2:08 PM PST reply actions  

Is it possible to stay loyal to the Kings if you don't live in Sacramento?

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

It might actually be easier

You can escape the suckidom if you live out of town (should you choose). If you live here you are forced to wear it like a(nother) foggy day.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Dec 31, 2008 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I almost did

I got reeled back in when some mop top cracker with ambidexterous abilities changed the way the Kings were viewed forever.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey pookey -


You talkin’ ’bout me?

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Dec 31, 2008 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

That's classic

And, yes, white boy, I’m talking about you!

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on

by pookeyguru on Jan 1, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah!!!

I’m still here and I’m with you! GOOOOOO KINGS!!!

by idjpg85 on Dec 31, 2008 7:00 PM PST reply actions  

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