A Dallas-Sacramento trade proposition--and it's conveniently shorter this time
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 7:39 AM PST
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I'm not going to make this super long because people will have their opinions, and Rick Carlisle has said (apparently anyway--I can't find any specific hard evidence that he has) he's interested in Brad Miller. Which is tough, because unless the Kings dump almost half of their roster, this deal won't get done. I've already worked the 5 for 4 players deal on the trade machine, and conveniently, it moves John Salmons. So, if you have any problems with this deal, well then you do. And I'm at the point where I just don't give a rats ass.
Dallas gives up: Erick Dampier, Antoine Wright, Jose Juan Barea, Brandon Bass, and Jerry Stackhouse
Sacramento gives up: Brad Miller, John Salmons, Bobby Brown, and Shelden Williams
To do the deal, and to open up a roster spot, the Kings are going to have to waive Quincy Douby as he is the most expendable player the Kings have to waive. I assume there isn't a problem with this from the Kings end? Or, the Kings could simply add Douby, which also works. There ya go. Have fun kiddies.
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Bad Trade
This trade would not be good for the Kings IMHO. I like the swap of B. Miller for Dampier but Salmons and Brown are good players. Aside from Brandon Bass the other guys are just not good players or well beyond their prime. Stackhouse for Salmons is not a good trade. Maybe a few years ago but not now.
by onmydailygrind on Dec 31, 2008 8:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
IN my opinion
Barea is a better player than Brown. But that’s my opinion. i honestly though Dampier would be the hardest sell, and still think so, but whatever. Everybody’s opinion is there’s. I threw in Stack to make the numbers work, and well that’s pretty much that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 8:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But here ya go
Here are the stats of Barea vs Brown. Personally? It’s worth doing, even if Barea isn’t the shooter Brown is.
But, one way to guage this is how they perform per 36 mins. Barea’s per 36 is putting up 13.7 pts and 6 dimes a game. Brown is putting up per 36 15.2 pts, but just over 5 dimes a game. Personally, as I said, I’d rather have Barea, and since I’m not an aficionado of Barea, it’s difficult to guage what kind of impact he has defensively. But he’s also signed for the next 2 seasons beyond this one, where as Brown can opt out and get better money this offseason. Yet, another reason I’d rather have Barea.
But, to be honest, I’m not sure Dallas would even bother to do this because it’s questionable whether any of the players that Dallas is getting is even giving them an upgrade.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Pookey
I can’t get excited about several years of Dampier and Stackhouse, just to get Bass. I get that you like Barea more than Brown, to me statistically they are a wash, and Brown has exceeded every expectation here, so why get rid of him? The only reason would be because you really like Barea, and I haven’t seen him play enough to be really excited about him.
To me the only trade with Dallas that works is:
We get Bass plus someone else’s expiring crap
Dallas gets Miller
Someone else get’s enough crap from Dallas to make it work because they like Dallas’ crap better than their own.
The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.
by ForThree on Dec 31, 2008 10:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Right
You can’t trade two legit NBA starters for bench guys with contracts.
(and I believe Miller and Salmons would start on the majority of NBA teams, BMiller would at least be one of the key reserves)
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on Dec 31, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we trade Miller
it has to be for someone very promising and some cap relief, otherwise, why do it? JT and Hawes get plenty of minutes for this stage in thier careers and abilitiy IMO.
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on Dec 31, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See this is what I hate about you know it all people
Bass & Barea aren’t promising? Quite simply, that’s bullshit. They both are promising players.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
They are promising players but so is Bobby Brown. Personally I would love to get Bass in here. Not for Salmons though. Maybe for Mikki Moore and Brad Miller? Salmons is a piece that can get back a good player and trading Miller, Brown AND Salmons for Bass and so-so Dampier seems odd. Barea is NOT better than Brown so why do that trade? Brown may not be as good as Barea today but he is a rookie. Barea has 2 years under his belt. I like what I see from Brown and he could become better than Barea very soon.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
by dalt99 on Dec 31, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well dalt
Keep in mind Bobby B has a player option, and Bobby B probably will exercise it because he can’t find a worse contract than the one he’s already got.
On the other hand, you’ve got Barea making about 3 mil combined over the next 2 years provided you pick up his supremely cheap team option.
My point is, if you have oranges going for 10 cents a pound, and they’re likely to go up to 20 cents a pound in 6 months, but you’re buying tangerines now for 9 cents, and they aren’t going up, which are you going to take?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Bs option makes him restricted though
I doubt anyone will offer more than a few mil
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on Dec 31, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on who it is
And I doubt so either, but even then, how much money can you realistically commit to your backup PG?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like we just said
a couple of mil a year
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on Dec 31, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like Dalt says
Its too much to give up for basically just bass
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on Dec 31, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oranges vs. Tangerines
Well, your fruit example isn’t quite right because Brown right now makes 1 million less than Barea. So basically we have a .50 cent orange that might go up to $2 next year but we can get a tangerine for $1.50 per year right now. If trading these two players is just an add on to a deal that gets us Brandon Bass for Miller I would do it. Getting Barea for Brown by itself is really not an upgrade. If it is, it’s probably very minimal.
How about this trade:
Memphis gets Francisco Garcia, Bobby Brown and Shelden Williams.
Kings get Steve Francis (1 year left on his contract) and Mike Conley.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
by dalt99 on Dec 31, 2008 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You could do that trade with Bobby & Shelden
For Francis & Conley if you really wanted dalt.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My bad you couldn't do it like that
But you could add Douby to make the numbers work for sure.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
If Memphis would go for it then I’m all for that. Conley is a definite upgrade over Brown. Also he has lots of potential
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
by dalt99 on Dec 31, 2008 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
20 years old too
Who cares where he was selected, in other years he might have gone top 3. I wonder if people realize the 3 guys who went ahead of him were: Oden (considered a franchise center), Durant (a franchise forward), and Horford (now considered a perennial all-star). That’s a pretty dandy top 5 to be a part of, and that doesn’t even include the fact that Jeff Green is making baby steps that make babies addicted to crack jealous.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Green
All I am going to say is: Overrated. He is getting 15.8 points per game on 36 minutes of play on a bad team. Yes, he is only in his second year but I don’t think he will be anything better than a good player on a weak team. Kind of like John Salmons. Good player but not really as good as his numbers show. Still, he is young so maybe he will surprise me.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
by dalt99 on Dec 31, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not high on him either
But then again I never saw him @ G-Town, so my opinion is skewed.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Devils Advocate
That’s a pretty dandy top 5 to be a part of…
Look at the Top 5 that Darko was in, which is probably one of the best Top 5’s EVER, and see the flaw in that logic.
For the record: I’m for this suggested Memphis deal, but that argument didn’t help your Conley cause.
by smgmatt on Dec 31, 2008 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know it didn't
I was just making a point of how high he was thought of at the time he was drafted.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
We could but would Memphis? They would probably want a pick as well. Shelden, Brown and the Houston first rounder
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
by dalt99 on Dec 31, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shelden BB and the Doubster plus the Houston 1st rounder
For Conley & Francis! Done! I like it dalt. Definitely do that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm in
Let’s get Petrie on the phone.
Don’t you wish we could call him up? If only.
Kings rule! (They are royalty - right?)
by dalt99 on Dec 31, 2008 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Would Memphis do it?
They are getting 2 short guards back, even though it probably won’t matter cuz they could cut Douby or easily throw him in another trade to get a swingman. And, yes, I consider Garcia far more valuable than that late 1st rounder from Houston.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
I bet GP would love that!
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
by Mucho Moss on Jan 1, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Barea
is a midget.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 31, 2008 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Btw
Stack expires after this season, or has probably has a cheaper buyout than his contract (it’s not guaranteed/partially guaranteed). You wanted cap room, and you mention we need cap room, and yet, you don’t check details. Way to go!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bass maybe, Barea is too short, and not as athletic as BBrown
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on Dec 31, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Barea is 6 foot
Brown is 6’2". That’s not a huge difference, regardless of the fact Brown is a better defender (almost certainly) than Barea is.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just agree with dalt
That BobbyB might have more upside
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on Dec 31, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Barea
He’s more like 5-5. I don’t care what they list him as.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 31, 2008 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hoopshype says he has next yr as well at 7.2 mil
Sham says its unguaranteed though
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on Dec 31, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gee Hoopshype
And Sham, which source am I gonna take. The one that can’t even get Kevin Martin’s contract # right, or the one that can. Gee, this is a tough decision.
I stopped looking at Hoopshype over a year ago.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed that Sham is behind though recently
has not updated the Charlotte/Phx transaction
"You keep on using that word
I do not think it mean what you think it means"
by lietothegirls on Dec 31, 2008 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Bass a FA too?
What do we expect he’ll get this off-season? This would be a terrible trade if he ended up walking anyway.
Miller, Salmons, & Brown for Barea & Dampier does NOT sound good to me.
by smgmatt on Dec 31, 2008 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to post the Mavs Moneyball link
And let you guys see exaclty why fans are fans. And why I’m going to enjoy this. But I’m willing to bet all they own (trust me it’s nothing worth anything) that they will hate this trade as much you do. Just sayin’.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here ya go
Nobody has said anything yet, but eventually, that will change.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wes Cox (Mavs Moneyball head honcho)
Has sounded off, and made the point that A) Damp is too valuable for the Mavs to give up for Miller, and there isn’t enough left over for the Mavs to want to do the trade otherwise.
I agree, but the idea that the Mavs wanted MIller is what sparked this, and I can’t imagine the Mavs/Kings can’t get past what they’re looking to get for Miller in this particular situation.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Pookey
I thought Stackhouse had 2+ years, my source was the ESPN trade machine. If Stack is expiring, then personally I would do:
Miller for Stackhouse + Bass (filling in however you have to fill in). I can’t get to the trade machine from here to check, but if you’re just talking about a core of the players above, I’d do that.
The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.
by ForThree on Dec 31, 2008 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, wait, wait
according to ESPN, Bass is an unrestricted FA this summer, so let’s just pile up some cash. What’s his situation Pookey that we can’t just drive an armored car to his house in July?
The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.
by ForThree on Dec 31, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you have cap room
And he’s your Free Agent, you can offer Bass more than anybody. How much that something is I don’t know, but by any portion of the same token, if you will, then perhaps the big point of this is that seeing what Bass can do for you is the point.
Bass is making something like 830 K For Three, and for all that being said, he’s going to be looking to get paid. I don’t think Dallas would ever consider it, but with all that being said, keep in mind Dampier has a team option for the 10-11 season.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Dec 31, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bass
Bass played FIVE minutes last night. He’s clearly expendable for the Mavericks.
Dampier played 31 minutes and is more of the lunch-bucket big they need. Brad Miller would just be like Dirk lite for them and would make their defense really suck, unless they promoted Diop to take up some of thise Dampier minutes.
"The basis for winning an NBA title is having a superstar in his prime. Not an all-star, or a bunch of all-stars, but a superstar."
by coolcatreportdotcom on Dec 31, 2008 1:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
how bought Gerald green, why no interest in him hes young and to me would be better than salmons.
by BXNYKINGSFAN on Jan 5, 2009 7:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Gerald Green has yet to prove he can hold a spot on an NBA roster, let alone score 15ppg on 50% shooting and be a very good defensive player.
Gerald Green seems similar to our beloved Donte, except Gerald has been well documented to be a complete slacker idiot, and Donte seems like a good teammate to date.
The more you guys work the trade machine, the happier I am GP is our GM.
by ForThree on Jan 6, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There also, to my recollection, and that's all I'm basing this off
Is that he has worked to become a better player. Or, so he says. I wonder if that has anything to do without mouthing platitudes so the coach see’s you “trying”. But, if Donte comes to work every practice, then in fact, he is worth more than Gerald Green.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jan 6, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least an extra "e" more
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by section214 on Jan 6, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 7, 2009 8:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Buckets!!!!
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jan 7, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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